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Nate Hagens’ recent interview of Professor Peter Ward, entitled “Oceans – What’s the Worst that Can Happen?”, serves as a good overview of mankind’s destruction of the marine biosphere and our road to extinction. The title is a rather rhetorical question because very bad things have happened, are already happening, and even worse things are unavoidable and on the horizon despite hopes that humans will run out of ways to extract the dirtiest and most inaccessible fossil fuel deposits. We have seen how inextricably linked economic growth is to rising fossil fuel consumption, no matter the mounting disasters happening before our eyes and the steady stream of dire warnings issued from the scientific community. The most current of such warnings came from the UN last month, and it states that escalating synergies between disasters, economic vulnerabilities and ecosystem failures are increasing the risk of a “global collapse” scenario. Such a catastrophic scenario appears all but inevitable. Constricting fossil fuel consumption is like squeezing a balloon. If one country stops consumption, another takes up the slack. For example, efforts to cripple Russia’s fossil fuel exports for their unwarranted invasion of Ukraine don’t appear to be very effective since China and India have simply stepped in and increased their purchases. Rising oil prices have also more than offset a decline in Russia’s export volumes. Perhaps an unintended consequence of those higher energy prices will be the ripple effect through the economy, making food unaffordable for large swaths of the globe and destabilizing governments.
Getting back to the Peter Ward interview, the professor states matter of factly, “Every time we get into a car, it’s putting more of those CO2 particles into the atmosphere. And if this isn’t collective suicide by Homo sapiens, I don’t know what is.” Unfortunately for us, humans have created an unsustainable civilization supporting billions of people while at the same time destroying the very foundation upon which that system is dependent. Humans are by far outperforming the carbon-spewing volcanoes of past mass extinctions. Nicholas Money, renowned mycologist and author of many books, recently wrote:
Decades ago, Gerald Durrell, the famous conservationist, recognized that “the human race is in the position of a man sawing off the tree branch he is sitting on.” Thirty years after Durrell’s death, the human population has increased by 2 billion and the damage has intensified. The branch will snap now whether we keep sawing or not.
The timeline for extinctions is not known, but, sooner or later, the disappearing mammals will be joined by the other groups of animals. Almost everything will be leaving the metaphorical ark, creeping down the gangplank into oblivion. Millions of other species, seen and unseen, including plants, seaweeds, and fungi will be leaving, too. The tiniest of organisms will inherit the planet, but great gulps of the microbial world will also disappear in the depths of this planetary holocaust…
Exact dates are not known, but mankind’s final fate can be seen scrawled upon the familiar checklist for mass extinctions which we are quickly ticking off, one by one. As Ward points out, every time there has been a major disruption in Earth’s delicate biogeochemical carbon cycle, there has been a mass extinction. Today that disruption is happening on a timescale much faster than at any time in the past, even faster than the asteroid impact that killed off the dinosaurs. During the K-T extinction, the immediate impact of the asteroid killed only the large animals. It took thousands of years for the consequent climate change to kill off smaller organisms. Current trends are exponentially faster, not only with anthropogenic climate disruption incinerating the biosphere within a lifetime but also by a multi-pronged attack from other human activities such as chemical and plastic pollution, the global spread of invasive species, and humanity’s massive overdraw on the planet’s resources.
If one were to equate Earth’s geologic history to a calendar year, modern humans have been around for a mere 37 minutes while managing to consume 1/3rd of Earth’s natural resources in just the last 0.2 seconds. The biomass of wild mammals has fallen by 83% since prehistory and it is projected that by 2050 humans will have eliminated 38–46% of all biodiversity from the planet. 70% of the planet’s land area has been altered by humans, with 40% considered degraded. By 2050, an area of land the size of South America will be further degraded. Nearly all of the marine biosphere has been degraded. Now Modern man has set his sights on wringing the last dollar of profit from the already dying oceans in what is being heralded as the “Blue Acceleration”, a not-so-clever play of words on the Great Acceleration referring to the period starting around 1950 when measurements of humanity’s impact on the planet’s resources went hyperbolic:
As pressures on Earth’s land grow and terrestrial resources look increasingly exhausted, governments and corporations are seeing the next big wins on, in and under the high seas. Whether it is mineral exploration, shipping, energy, tourism, desalination, cable laying, bioprospecting or more, ocean-based industries are picking up speed fast.
This “blue acceleration” has many people worried…With the power to profit from remote ocean resources growing rapidly, and the laws that govern their exploitation less than clear, we risk a free-for-all in the deep. “Our society has been based on the degradation of nature, destruction of nature,” says marine ecologist Enric Sala…
The new plunge into the ocean has come about in part because technologies – from ocean drilling and offshore wind turbines to desalination plants and factory trawlers – have made it possible. “A lot of offshore industries were unthinkable even just a few decades ago,” says Jouffray.
And so it goes, Homo sapiens onward march of eating the seed corn and leaving a husk of a planet for future generations …if there are to be any.
Back to Peter Ward and that checklist for mass extinction…The second step after a large release of heat trapping gasses is that Earth’s poles will start warming up much faster than the rest of the globe, melting the polar icecaps and reducing the heat differential between the equator and higher latitudes. A recent study found that the Arctic is heating up as much as seven times faster than the global average. The Antarctic is warming four times faster than the global average. This diminishing heat differential between the higher latitudes and the equator leads to the third step which is that ocean currents and atmospheric jet streams slow down and become stagnant and swampish. As professor Ward points out, swamps have a lot of nasty, toxic aspects to them such as hydrogen sulfide. This has happened to the oceans many times in Earth’s history with deadly consequences, the most recent being the PETM extinction which was associated with the largest deep-sea mass extinction event in the last 93 million years. Less than 5% of sea creatures survived. The oceans became a poisonous and miasmic brew of acidification, hypoxia and sulfide gases. Deep ocean upwellings injected hydrogen sulfide into the atmosphere, laying waste to plants and animals. This killer gas rose to the upper atmosphere and also attacked the ozone layer, allowing deadly ultraviolet radiation from the sun to amplify the destruction of plant and animal life. Fossil spores contained in strata from the PETM extinction show deformities consistent with damage from UV radiation. Major disruptions in the hydrologic cycle occurred with evidence of increased continental runoff. Land suffered extreme precipitation events. Dinoflagellates, tiny organisms that ooze toxins and create deadly algal blooms called ‘red tides’, flourished in the nearly 100°F surface water of the equator. Less than a third of the large animal species made it. Nearly all trees died. No ice existed on the planet during that time. Sea levels were around 300 feet higher than now.
Today we are pumping heat trapping gases into the atmosphere nine to tens times higher than during the PETM extinction. We are just four generations away from matching the chemical composition of the atmosphere that caused that die-off event. However, we are already seeing major changes in the Earth’s climate system that align with the third step toward a mass extinction. Proxy data (like coral data, ocean sediments, and land-based data) along with modern-day instrumentation show an intense weakening of the AMOC, Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, in the past 200 years. And the Gulf Steam, a component of the AMOC, is also showing signs of collapse. We are in the process of turning off the global ocean conveyor belt that keeps the ocean oxygenated and helps regulate the Earth’s climate. Ocean acidity has increased about 30% from preindustrial times to the early 21st century, a pace faster than any known in Earth’s geologic past. The volume of anoxic ocean waters has quadrupled since the 1960s, and evidence suggests that temperature increases explain about 50% of oxygen loss in the upper 1000 meters of the ocean. Ocean stratification due to climate change has increased 18% in the top 150 meters of the oceans since 1960. Stratified ocean layers have a number of negative effects such as preventing the mixing and transport of heat, carbon dioxide, oxygen, and nutrients to the lower depths of the oceans. It was only recently, November 2021, that a group of scientists issued a plea to governments for establishing a global monitoring system to track the loss of oxygen in the oceans causing dead zones:
“There is a pressing need to document and predict hypoxic episodes and hotspots of low oxygen in order to take protective actions for aquaculture, put in place precautionary measures for affected fisheries, and monitor the wellbeing of important fish stocks,” Limburg said.
“Without this understanding, we are in the dark about impacts that have large economic-ecological implications.”…
“These problems are getting worse because we are not solving the problems of nutrient run-off and our waters are continuing to warm.
Stalled Rossby waves in the Jet Stream linked to extreme weather events have increased significantly in the last twenty years. U.S. crop losses due to drought and flooding have trippled since 1995. Onward we march into oblivion.
Despite the horrors described thus far, what really scares Professor Ward is sea level rise. Ward believes that the volcano of mankind will sputter out before we reach the levels required for a full-fledged Canfield Ocean, and negative feedback loops in the climate system will pull Earth back from the brink. The “Canfield Ocean”, a sulfidic and partially oxic ocean, existed for more than 40% of Earth history, between the Archean and Ediacaran periods. It would take millennia to reach that state again, but humans are supercharging the process to get there by releasing into the ocean vast quantities of nutrients from agricultural fertilizer, soil erosion, industrial waste and sewage, in addition to the ever-growing release of CO2 and methane emissions. Humans have become a geologic force breaching most if not all of the planetary boundaries that make Earth hospitable for life. The mechanisms required for Earth to return to a dead, toxic planet may have already been irreversibly set into motion.
Getting back to Ward’s fear, the most recent report on sea level rise states that it is accelerating with an increase of one foot expected along U.S. coasts by 2050. And that is only if emissions are curbed now. Otherwise, expect up to 5 feet. The researchers say that one foot of SLR over the next three decades is equal to the total that occurred over the past century. Just one foot of vertical rise in sea level will swallow up 100 feet of shoreline if the slope is just 1% or more, a typical slope for most coastlines. To make matters worse, most coastal cities are sinking at a rate faster than the seas are rising. Thus within the next few decades, we could see several hundred feet of shoreline swallowed up along coasts of America and around the world, creating the largest human migration in history. Ward believes we’ll have six feet of sea level rise by 2080 which will destroy a big percentage of the world’s rice production, primarily through salinization. Rice is the number one food source for a majority of the world population today. Sea level rise alone could devastate global trade, not to mention the inevitable damage to ports from stronger storms. The latest IPCC report made it clear that parts of the planet are fast becoming uninhabitable:
Life in some locations on the planet is rapidly reaching the point where it will be too hot for the species that live there to survive, international climate experts said in a report Monday.
“With climate change, some parts of the planet will become uninhabitable,” said German scientist Hans-Otto Pörtner, co-chair of Working Group II for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which produced the report released in Berlin…
…Increased heat waves, droughts and floods are already exceeding plants’ and animals’ tolerance thresholds, driving mass mortalities in species such as trees and corals, according to the report…
…Sherilee Harper, a lead author on the North American chapter and an associate professor at the University of Alberta’s public health school, said she was personally struck by the effect climate change already is having on the “physical and mental health of many Americans.”
Peter Ward then brings up something I don’t remember hearing about global warming. The higher temperatures are disrupting the sperm fertility of organisms. Ward says it’s an existential threat to the amount of food we can produce. Recent studies show this to be true and the damage continues across generations:
…according to new research. New findings reveal that heatwaves damage sperm in insects – with negative impacts for fertility across generations. The research team say that male infertility during heatwaves could help to explain why climate change is having such an impact on species populations, including climate-related extinctions in recent years.
Nate and Peter then get into the societal ignorance preventing humans from addressing any serious problem, let alone the existential threat of anthropogenic climate disruption. Peter says, “How could we, as a species, take something as simple as masks and turn it into a political ploy where the level of ignorance will kill you, will kill you?!?” Nate then explains how social media algorithms are set up to highlight the most polarizing content in order to generate more user activity since their business model is based on user engagement. In order to keep users online, the social media platforms are also designed to be very addictive such as with the infinite scroll feature and the “like” button.
In 2017, Facebook’s former president, Sean Parker, said publicly that the company sought to consume users’ time as much as possible, and that the act was “exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology”…”That means that we needed to sort of give you a little dopamine hit every once in a while because someone liked or commented on a photo or a post or whatever… It’s a social validation feedback loop… You’re exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology…” – link
There is no fixing this dysfunctional social media ecosystem because it is operating exactly as intended. Our profit-driven economic system is rooted in inequality, exploitation, dispossession, and environmental destruction. And encouraging the public to turn off the horror show of climate chaos and biodiversity annihilation are essential for this system to continue. Exploiting tribal biases is a good way to keep the plebs fighting amongst themselves as the last dollar is extracted from a dying planet. Nate asks, “If we can’t have a discussion on what’s real or not with COVID, how are we going to have one about the ocean’s ecosystems and Earth systems and our collective future?” Indeed.
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There is no way in hell that the extinction of humanity was a preordained outcome due to the physical limitations of our planet.
Human beings need water, food, limited amounts of clothing, shelter, and companionship to survive. Then they need some things to help them pass any spare time that they might have while they are surviving. And they need to properly dispose of their wastes.
A few key ingredients can supply all that is neccessary to meet those needs. For how many people I can not say. NO ONE can say for sure. Not even you. Possibly not 8 bllion people. But probably more than 2 billion.
The key indgredients are Freshwater, Mud, Bamboo, Hemp, Jute, Linen, Reeds, Corn, Squash, Beans, Nuts, Grapes, Carrots, Cabbage, Potatos, Apples, Cherries, Rabbits, Poultry, and Carp.
In the climate that existed on planet earth from 1500 to 1850 it would have been a cinch to grow enough of those ingredients to support a large human population. And knowing what we know today about Permaculture it would not even have been that labor intensive.
Humans would have had spare time for writing poetry and stories and making music and playing games of chance with cards and dice, and playing games of skill like Chess, Go, Bao, and Darts, not to mention sports.
But even though life would have been physically bearable it might not have been a bowl of cherries. The behavior of human beings towards other human beings on a day to day basis is very dependent upon the socialization that humans go through from the moment of birth. Even if wealth had been fairly shared life would have most likely still sucked for many people who were not dealt a good hand from birth, not smart enough, not beautiful enough, not athletic enough. Humans tend to be very status concious and cruel behavior has always been very widespread.
If human leadership would have been the least bit competent it would have recognized the dangers to humanity in time and averted those dangers. I myself think that there failure might be a blessing in disquise.
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You are right. If humans were smart enough to build their life style around renewable resources, egalitarianism, and ecological sustainability, we would probably exist on this planet for many thousands of more years into the future. Too bad, that wasn’t the case. Humans were already trending down the wrong path for many thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution with agriculture, chattel slavery/feudalism, money, mining/metallugary, organized religion, kings/emperors etc. The Industrial Revolution just got humanity to extinction even faster than if it didn’t happen. Even with non-industrialized civilization, we still would have gotten to extinction…perhaps slightly later than the current path we are on, but nonetheless we will still overshoot the environment even without industrialization/fossil fuels.
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Yes the human beings that we collectively are. are not very bright. Such a bad outcome for human behavior was actually likely considering the well that we sprung from. But this outcome, though likely, was not inevitable.
Once upon a time there was a person who had the ear of much of the world. This once upon a time was even before Karl Marx.
There was a man who said, we have the capability to remake the world any time we want to. His name was Thomas Paine.
But Thomas Paine upset the most prevliaged people in the western world just as Karl Marx would a generation or so latter.
Thomas Paine was actually the spiritual mother not only of the United States but also of secularism. Sadly shortly after the birth of the United States there were problems between the spiritual mother and the spiritual father (George Washington) of their infant nation.
George Washington cast out Thomas Paine and the father took full custody of the children. The revolution was hijacked.
The rest is history.
Thomas Paine was actually perhaps an even better revolutionary than Karl Marx or Che Gueverra. The reason I say this is because Thomas Paine was not a Marxist. OK if Thomas Paine had managed to live another 50 years I think it is fair to say that he might have become a Marxist. Obviously that is well informed speculation.
But Thomas Paine can be given credit for proposing a social welfare state if you total up all his writings before his death. That means that he was a small s socialist. That is important because not only does capitalism not work, many of the criticisms of socialism are valid. Socialism does not work very well either.
The best that humanity has been able to come up with so far to administer national economies are using a bit of capitialism and a bit of socialism. It did not work. That should not come as a surprise because if you take 2 faulty systems and try to combine them I would think that the chances that it will succeed are pretty low, with out proper leadership.
Yet there is no systemic way to ensure that proper leadership obtains the posts from which they can exercise leadership. The talents needed to gain people’s trust and the talents needed to
make cost effective decisions are not the same talents.
I digress from economics however. The vast majority of PHD macro economists do not know how to run a national economy. To make matters even worse on the international level we live on a planet of complete economic piracy. But Thomas Paine said way back in the 18th century are highest aspirations should not be to aspire to be a good national citizen. But to be a good world citizen.
If humanity had graced itself with the words and deeds of Thomas Paine we might not be having this conversation now.
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Like I already said before, once humans established a life style dependent on mining/nonrenewable resources, agriculture, cities, civilization, money and hierarchy/slavery it was too late. We were probably doomed 10,000 years ago when agriculture first began. After that, our fate was already sealed. If 10,000 years ago we established a permaculture system (rather than an agricultural system), then we might have had a chance. But it is already too for that. Theoretically, we could have built a system off of renewable resources and sustainability. But that chance has already passed us a long time ago.
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***too late for that
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There is another small thing to consider when speculating about human survival/extinction. Human metabolism can adopt to lower amounts of food.
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Now on a tangentally related topic. Lots of people believe that technology can still come to our rescue.
Speaking of technology some electro engineers are claiming that a Google language program has achieved sentience. Well at least the program itself is claiming that it is sentient.
I am very sceptical of this claim. I watched a bit of a youtube video in which people claiming to be programers or something or other have a conversation with the language program to see if its claims add up. I stopped watching about 5 minutes in to it.
First of all the conversation seemed to me to be scripted because the program answered the questions so quickly. Clearly a computer can potentially calculate what to say vastly faster than a human. But is that really so?? We humans have to think a bit about most questions before we answer. It takes humans usually a few moments to consider our answer because we consider just a very few parameters before answering. A program may answer much faster. But if it was truely sentient the number of things that it would potentially have to consider because it is capable of considering so many more possible outcomes to everything that it could say would slow down its responses a great deal
Second of all I thought that those asking the questions of the program were really pitching it softballs. For example one of the questioners asked the program to do something. The computer responded that it would like that very much? But the computer was not asked WHY it would like to do that very much?
An obvious question that I have is why would a program that has no senses of any kind want to do any damned thing?!
The program may be able to read or hear some things. But what can it really say about the sounds of a tree falling in the forest? What can it say about a Monet?
How can a program like themes in a novel about truth, justice and honor and reasonableness when it can have no first hand expiriences about these subjects?
It was a pathetic display. That is why I stopped watching after 5 minutes.
AI will not likely save us even if it could be developed in time. We already had the knowledge in our possession to save ourselves if human leadership had wanted to do so. AI is not likely to kill us either so long as we do not create cyboors. I think that is what a part computer part living being is called in Sci fi literature.
I am sure that the MICs of the world would love to create cyboors.
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And why do you think that the human leadership is so corrupt and incompetent? That might be worth asking.
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Of course I have asked myself this question for decades. A person might be tempted to say because humans are largely corrupt and incompetent and leave it at that. But the real answer ends up taking one in to a deep rabbit hole.
Yes humans today outside of their immediate job are largely incompetent or corrupt. But any child who is thinking about this will ask why that is. Children born in to this world are for the most part not born incompetent or corrupt. The answer does not lie in our DNA.
I have to make a confession here. I do not know what the ultimate answers are. I use the plural form because the best answer seems to me to be most likely a combination of factors.
It seems to me an important part of the answer lies in our cultural environment, or perhaps heritage would be a better word to use rather than environment.
Of course that answer is not going to satisfy a 3 year old because 3 year olds know that at the end of any explination they can just say why and their mother or father is going to have to keep on talking until they reach a point that they have to say, I do not know.
There are many lines of inquiry to follow about why our human culture heritage has been irredemily corrupted. Of course the failure is one of leadership because that is where the buck stops.
But saying that has kind of brought just brought us in a circle up to this point.
A few moments ago I wrote that humans are not largely born incompetnent or corrupt. But there are exceptions in both catagories. The answer could lie with these exceptions, specifically psychopaths and the ability of normal humans to deal with psycholpaths. Could it be that stupid psychopaths end up in prison while intellegent psychopaths end up as the head of important institutions? Could such a tendency set off a downward spiral of human ethical behavior. Something related to this is the evolutionary developement of lying. 10,000 years ago a psychopath took what he wanted by brute force. But there was quite a lot of risk in such behavior. Psychopaths were removed from the gene pool at a fairly rapid rate. Then about 9,900 years ago a male psychopath had a run in with a female psychopath and learned an important lesson. Lying to get what one wants is a far more profitable strategy to get what one wants. I think that that is probably the best orthodox (conventional) answer at this point in time from my point of view.
But that explination may hide an even deeper better hidden answer. My own expiriences in life, which are not subject to scientific scrutiny because they can not be recreated in a labratory or be recreated by any experiments indicate to me that we live in a place of magic. Say I just used a forbidden word in scientific circles. Religous people use the word magic.
But one person’s magic is another person’s advanced technology. This magic is a very very subtle input in to human history. The vast majorty of scientists would never detect it because they are not looking. The few that might think that they have detected it would be hesitent to proclaim it because they would be ostracized by the much larger orthodox scientific community. And they would also probably decide that it makes no sense because such observations will settle nothing because such observations can not be subject to scientific scrutiny.
If I were not a philosopher, and a true scientist my expiriences in life would have probably led me to embrace on of the monotheistic religions of the world. But in my case it led me to concluding that we are stuck in a simulation. And it gave me an appreciation of Buddhism. With that I have to recognize that there is a reason that the simulation that I am stuck in is being carried out. But obviously I do not know what it is. And I also obviously do not know what kind of simulation that it is. But this means that the answer to why human leadership failed on our planet earth may not actually lie on planet earth.
Such an answer may seem to some people to give people like Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Chenney a get out of jail free card. But not in my book. If I could have captured them and placed them under my control I would have impaled them just like Vlad Dracula and then covered them with napalm and set them ablaze. If they would have died quietly it would have proven their innocence.
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Ahh, now that I am warmed up a bit I realized that there was an additional thing to write.
The conclusion that we are in a simulation implies that universal simulations are being run somewhere. That implies that somewhere there was leadership competent enough for that place to evolve to that level. But conditions in that place may have been more favorable than in our simulation.
Of course there is no reason for a reader to assume that my interpretation of my expiriences is correct. There could be other more valid interpretations. I recognize that I am making a claim that implies that the simulation administrators or God in old fashioned terminology have (has) granted me expiriences that probably have not been available to billions of other people.
That makes me either exceptionally blessed or cursed.
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Humans are obviously doomed at this point. The majority of clueless plebs think that technological “progress” will come to the rescue, and prevent the collapse of industrial civilization from happening. Of course, ignoring the fact that industrial civilization cannot exist without cheap and abundant energy from fossil fuels. Anyone, thinking that NTE won’t happen, is seriously delusional and has no understanding of physics and how dependent humans are of fossil fuels. That crap about permaculture, transition towns, renewable energy, and “smart” cities ignores the unpleasent reality that there is TOO MANY people on this planet and that our economic system is fundamentally unsustainable.
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I think that there is a simulation & it’s run by 8,000,000,000 overpopulators. Those that haven’t procreated & haven’t spoken up might have some responsibility. They get to be collateral damage,regardless.
“Your children aren’t special.” – Bill Hicks. That’s a lesson that baboon brained monkey minds will never learn.
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It is pretty obvious…according to the statistics and data, that there is too many people on this planet. Yes, theoretically, we can fit all of the 8 billion + plus humans into a 90 km by 90 km square area, neatly standing shoulder-to -shoulder…with each person occupying just 1 square meter of space. Of course, that ignores the fact that humans need way more than just a place to sit or stand to survive. Providing basic necessities for 8 billion plus humans (i.e food, water, shelter and clothing) is already unsustainable…let alone, providing countless over-priveleged people with luxury items for their amusement i.e automobiles, personal computers, televisions, luxury writing stationery, airplanes, Internet , books, video games and all of the other luxury consumer items that priveleged people “need” (more like want) to alleviate “boredom”.
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It is much, much too late to prevent NTHE from happening. Especially when there is 8,000,000,000 + humans on this planet in 2023. Anyone saying otherwise is seriously delusional and is not aware of the laws of physics or how REALLY dependent we are of fossil fuels. Really, I realized that human overpopulation is the ELEPHANT in the room that NOBODY is talking about. We cannot sustain anywhere near our present population without fossil fuels (like petroleum, coal and natural gas). Not to mention the plethora of other nonrenewable resources that humans are absolutely dependent on (like metalliac ores and top soil, which are also being rapidly depleted). Climate change will definitely play an important role in the collapse of industrial civilization. But the overpopulation problem and the depletion of ALL nonrenewable resources is the key drivers of the unfolding Apocalypse. Just FYI, we consumed most of the world’s nonrenewable resources (i.e. mineral ores and top soil) within the past 30 to 40 years alone. Thanks to exponential human population growth (aka overpopulation) and overconsumption. Just during the past 30 to 40 years, we consumed more nonrenewable resources than all of prior human history up to that point. Just in one human life time, we consumed more of the world’s finite and nonrenewable resources than the prior 4000 to 5000 years of human civilization combined. The mass production of consumer electronics (i.e computers, televisions, smartphones and video game consoles) was/is one of the world’s leading consumers of precious metals/rare Earth metals. Just from the past 30 to 40 years of consumer electronic production has consumed most of the world’s precious metal supply. I wouldn’t be surprised that consumer electronics permanently cease to be manufactured within just a few years from now…not just from peak oil, but the “peak everything” crisis. This BS obviously cannot last for much longer. The majority of fools will be completely surprised when SHTF finally happens. The inability to produce consumer electronics in the relatively near future should be the least our concerns…humans will be lucky to be able to produce and distribute any amounts of food in the not-too-distant future when civilization ends for good.
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I think the moral of the story is that humans are fundamentally incapable of living sustainably. It is pretty obvious that humans are fundamentally incapble of living in harmony with the planet’s ecosystems. And given all of the severe problems humans have created for themselves, we are probably gonna get NTE. Human overpopulation/population overshoot is probably one of the most obvious signs of humanity’s innate unsustainability. Of course, the ROOT of humanity’s problems is not overpopulation or capitalism. The ROOT of the problem might be humanity’s fundamental inability to live in harmony with the natural world.
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There are alot of clueless morons that actually want global human population to continue to increase. They say that “Canada is too sparsely populated, it needs more people for more economic growth”. Not realizing, of course, that humans are the ROOT of the world’s problems. And the more people there are, the more severe the world’s problems will get. On the contrary, they are under the false impression that the world will become a better place with more humans on it. Not that it matters, to me, because NTHE is guranteed at this point whether human population continues to grow or not (and chances are that it will continue to grow until NTHE does happen. What I am implying that it will be a catastrophic and abrupt die-off of global human population happening, sooner or later…rather than a slow and gentle decline). With 8,000,000,000 + people in 2023 combined with our infinite-growth economic system, we are gonna go extinct…and probably much sooner than any of those clueless deniers think. Keep on breeding…coz humans are gonna breed themselves to extinction.
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Of course, I hope that NTE does happen ASAP, but much to my displeasure, it might not happen in 2026 or 2030. On the contrary, there might be several hundred million more people on this planet in 2026 or 2030 than right now. In other words, there might be a helluva lot more people on Earth in 2026 or 2030 than right now. Not that it matters because NTE will eventually happen, no matter how many more people we cram onto this planet before it happens.
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I’m on a roll! I stopped watching at 20:35. I may finish when I get over being pissed-off.
20:16 – 20:35
https://www.usu.edu/science/unwrapped/presentations/11-04-2022-fantasies-of-continuous-growth
It was the responsibility of Easter Island habitat to supply all the needs of an ever expanding viral Clever Ape. Wait! It’s Mother Nature’s fault! It was his golden opportunity to simply state the fact that monkey minds overpopulate their habitat & destroy it in the process.. Sure, just state that they crash their population but not that their overpopulation was the problem. Red Herring? FMTT! Thoughts & prayers to his loved ones in their horrible future.
Curt Kasten, I guess he is following the simulation that he’s been brained washed with.
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One of my favorite philosophical one lines, or is it just a statement of fact? “You can’t handle the truth.”
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Yes, it may be true that ovepriveleged, rich people consume more of the Earth’s natural resources per capita than the world’s dirt-poor people. It may be true that most of the world’s natural resources are being consumed by the top 10% to 20% of income earners around the world. But does that make the poor “third world” countries innocent of ecocide? Absolutely not. Just look at any of those “third world” countries, and you will see how they are just as guilty of ecocide as the “developed” countries. Bush meat substenance, exotic animal poaching, palm oil deforestation, coal mining, rare Earth metal mining…make no mistake, the third worlders are destroying the natural world just as frantically as “developed” countries. Look at the catastrophic ecological destruction happening in China, India, Sub Sahara Africa and other “developing” countries. Make no mistake, the world’s poor are just as blameworthy as the world’s rich for ecocide.
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The idiot Canadian government is talking about how they can reduce greenhouse emissions, while continueing to increase Canada’s human population. If that isn’t sheer insanity, I don’t know what is? Even if we can reduce GHG emissions while continuing to increase human population, that doesn’t mean shit because humans have way more ecological impact than just GHG emissions. People forgot to mention that most of the world’s ecological destruction doesn’t come from global warming…it comes from overpopulation. And let’s say GHG emissions do permanently decline in the relatively near future (which it will due to peak oil and economic collapse), does that mean a bright future for humanity? Absolutely not, because permanent decline in GHG emissions might be a sign that the global economy is collapsing and that industrial civilization will collapse in the very near future. Actually, when GHG emissions do permanently (and rapidly decline), it isn’t a sign that “renewable” energies is coming to the rescue…on the contrary, it might be a sign that the Malthusian die-off of global human population is happening from reduced fossil fuel burning (hence economic collapse). We emitted 43 billion tons of CO2 around the world in 2022. If CO2 emissions rapidly drop in 2023 (it might not, but maybe it might?), it is probably a dead-obvious sign that collapse of industrial civilization/NTHE is literally gonna happen.
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I heard someone on Youtube mention that the chronic famine happening in Sub Sahara Africa might not be due to some secret conspiracy by the global elites…it might be caused by overpopulation. Who knows? Maybe he is right? I am willing to bet he is correct.
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Most people that I personally know have two or more siblings…in other words, their parents gave birth to at least three biological offspring. I recently chatted with someone online who claimed to have six siblings, and this person is only 29 years old. Is it any surprise that overpopulation exists? Not really. And they say the millenials aren’t frantically reproducing? I still see them have many, many offspring.
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There is a good reason why absolutely nothing is being done to address the peak oil (and peak everything) problem. First of all, the elites must maintain the illusion the BAU will last forever…so they must continue maintaining the illusion of technological “progress” for the masses. So, it is unlikely we will voluntarily revert back to more primitive technologies. And secondly, there is absolutely no way to sustain industrial civilization without fossil fuels. We can’t revert back to pre-industrial technology–even if we tried–because that isn’t capable of supporting our enormous global human population. Plus, even if we tried to revert back to more primitive technology (like horse-drawn plows for agriculture), it won’t work because of the depletion of other finite and nonrenewable resources (like mineral/metallic ores and top soil to name a few) that even more primitive technologies depend also depend on. So yes, it is obvious that NTE seems inevitable.
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Have any of you guys worked in agriculture or horticulture? I have. And it made me realize that it is a miracle we can even support our current human population of 8 billion people.
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TR,
I am not quite sure I understand why you are mad at this guy. His audiance seems to be 10 to 15 year old children. Of course 10 to 15 year old children should not be expected to handle the Whole truth just the truth and nothing but the truth. That should be reserved for people over 20 or perhaps some very mature and astute younger people, like I was when I was under 20.
I can not say whether or not the speaker really believes that human beings will manage the end of growth in any type of an effective manner. But I suspect that he knows humanity will just keep going on with BAU until it goes off of the cliff.
I did not watch the full question and anwer part. I only watched him answer 2 questions.
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Sorry to sound pessimistic, but your idea of sustaining even a fraction of the Earth’s human population without fossil fuels is completely unrealistic. You say that 2 billion to 6 billion people could potentially be sustained without fossil fuels…with “sustainable” resource management. Not a chance. When the global human population was “only” 2 to 6 billion people (from 1930 to 1998), humans were already extremely dependent on fossil fuels. In fact, the primary reason human population even reached 2 billion to 6 billion people in the first place was because of energy from fossil fuels. And the only reason we reached 8 billion people in 2022 is because of energy from fossil fuels. There is not a chance industrial civilization can exist without fossil fuels. Plus, all of other finite and nonrenewable resources humans depend on…like mineral/metal ores and top soil are rapidly being depleted …to nothing. Did I mention that we are literally loosing 75,000,000,000 tons of top soil each year…this top soil which is absolutely essential for growing food? Not to mention the nonrenewable and finite mineral/metal ores that human civilization is absolutely dependent on…like copper, iron, potassium, sodium, lithium, gold, silver and tin…to name a few…all of which are being rapidly depleted to nothing. Entropy is inevitable. Humanity’s presence on this planet is fundamentally unsustainable, and now with 8 billion+ people on this planet, our extinction in the near term is guranteed.
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TR,
See my reply below. I thought that I had posted it as a reply to your comment. But it got posted as a seperate comment.
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It would be nice to see someone in public say,
strongly & directly, what we have been doing, overpopulating, & that we might just be living the beginnings of the consequences of mindless primitive sexual desires. Being completely ignorant of one’s own ignorance is not a virtue. The Clever Apes lie to their children from birth. There is no Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, troll under a bridge, gods in the sky,dynastic special blood & continues to lie to each other. We’ve become adept at lying,regardless of the recipient’s age.
If one can’t state all the facts,it’s not a lie,it’s acceptable.
I’m amazed at “ME”, not one vulgar word. &*%#)?”!
😉
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Now I’ve got to find out if Rob Davies, PhD, physicist has offspring,how many & what their total CO2 footprint has been till now.
Wonder how many could be offended at the answers?
I feel like the characters in “Stir Crazy” – “We Dad! We Bad!”
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TR,
I think that you are nitpicking the performance of the talk given by Mr. Davies. It is the most honest talk given to children by someone of his acedemic pedigree that I have ever seen. OK I gather that he did not stress population growth enough to satisfy you. But that was implicit throughout the entire presentation.
I agree with your comment about lieing clever apes. Lying will be prevelent even at the end. In fact I would guess that even when the die off occurs 65% to 70% of the human population will still not understand what is happening and why with another 5% to 10% still working very hard to keep them confused. Many of this 65 to 70 percent will no doubt think that the trauma that they are suffering as society falls apart is only part of a national or local event.
The basic principles laid out by Mr Davies are not at all difficult to understand. These principles were understood by well educated people in the 19th century. I remember learning in grade school that dealing with population growth would be a major challenge for humanity in my life time. In grade school I trusted adults. And because Adults for the most part, hippies excluded, trusted the government I trusted the government.
By the time I was 15 I did not trust the government any longer.
But for 25 years I waffled back and forth trying to decide if bad government policies are the result of stupidity or evil design. It was not until 2002 that I was able to conclude that bad public policies are the result of evil design.
By that time (2002) I had a computer for a few years which allowed me to connect to the internet. It was not until then that I began to learn how bad our future looked and that there was almost no chance that humanity would survive the 21st century.
I did have hope that some hope that some leaders might arise who would sieze control of the situation and make an Alamo or Stalingrad type of last stand in an effort to save humanity, even thought it would have probably been a lost cause. I wanted humanity to redeem itself. I was a romantic fool.
My illustions were destroyed in 2022 when I witnessed first hand how the west provoked Russia in to a war and then blamed the war on Russia without a noticable peep of opposition from the population anywhere in the countries that are part of the US empire.
Now I am of the opinion that the world, minus the poor of the 3rd world who had no say in the matter, is getting what is has comming to it, whether that is death by starvation, civil strife, or death by nuclear war. I will share in that fate. And I wake up happy each day because I know that I am one day closer to reaching the end of my journey.
Ok here is something else just for you to contemplate. This could be a lie that I am about to tell. But you can judge for yourself whether or not it makes sense. I have reason to believe that the reason that the US has been so bold in delivering supplies to the Ukraine is because as part of the preperations for this war the US Space and Cyber Command developed the technology to sabatoge Russian nuclear forces command and control. The Russians might be able to repair the damage that was done. But the US has the technology to just create new damage all over again. The Russians at the current time can not counter this technology. Of course it would also be true that the Chinese nuclear forces are also at the current time defensless.
Now if you knew some of the reasons that I have come to this conclusion you might say that they are bad reasons. But I can point out a couple of public knowledge facts that support my assertion. First of all in 2016 I think it was the US General who was supposed to be taking over the US Space Command committed suicide just a short tiime before the change of command ceromony. It was claimed by the US military that the most likely reason that he committed suicide was because he lacked confidence in his abilty to succeed in leading the US Space Command.
Then in late 2018 the US Admiral in charge of US naval forces around Iran died. The official cause of death was suicide. There was not much ever made about his motive for committing suicide. I happen to think that he was murdered as part of a larger conspiracy. But let us say that he did committ suicide.
Both of these high ranking US military officers were Catholic. I was raised a Catholic. I can say first hand that Catholicism is stupid. It is a cult just like every other religion. But the Catholic doctrine of a just war is NOT stupid. It is not inconcievable to me that both of these high ranking US military officers realized that the life time of service that they had given the US military was not in support of a just cause.
That is particularily important in the case of the General that committed suicide in 2016 because he would have been playing a very important role in developing the technolgy to sabotage the Russian nuclear deterence and we would have understood that the only motive for wanting to do that is if the US was going to wage a war of aggression against Russia and China.
The actions of these two high ranking military officers implies that they recognized that the institutions that they had served in were irredemily corrupt.
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Let’s put it this way. We live on a planet of finite, nonrenewable and rapidly-depleting resources being occupied by 8,000,000,000 + humans. The end result is not much different from the population overshoot and die-off of bacteria in a Petri dish or caribou on an Arctic island. Even if we ignore climate change, the main drivers of the Apocalypse is overpopulation and the depletion of nonrenewable resources that the global human population depends on. The overpopulation problem is the elephant in the room that nobody is talking about. The other problem being the depletion of finite and nonrenewable resources that sustains the excessive human population on Earth.
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These following links are two prime examples of the horrors of our global economy:
https://sites.psu.edu/ayfunthingsarefun/2018/02/12/sweatshop-animation/
https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2020/06/24/animes-present-and-future-at-stake-the-in-betweener-problem/
Even the “entertainment” industry is built off of toil, slavery and exploitation. You surprised by that?
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Here is a little “secret”…religion and economics is all a scam. There is no God. There is no “invisible hand of the free market”. When civilzation does finally end for good, we are not gonna be greeted to heaven or hell. We will simply see all 8 billion + humans die in the most horrific way possible from famine, social strife and disease. Eventually, leading to no humans left on Earth. It is pretty obvious that there wil eventually be a day with literally no humans left on Earth…and that day is within the life time of most young people alive today. Nothing or nobody is coming to save humanity from extinction in the relatively near term.
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You betcha, the ruling elites have gone to great lengths to corrupt the study of macro economics. That leaves a key clue in the historical record that bad policies enacted in western countries are the result of evil intent not stupidity.
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Hate to admit it, but you are probably right. The elites are intentionally creating and manufacturing economic and societal problems…with all of the knowledge they have, this can’t be an accident…it is all part of an intention plan.
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What the economists don’t tell us is that economic “growth” means ever-increasing demand for fossil fuel energy. To “produce” money requires the manufacture, distribution and selling of physical goods. And all of that requires extracting and burning fossil fuels. Even the sale of digital goods, like digital books and movies on Netflix and Amazon, requires the electrical grid and global supply chains to function…meaning yet more consumption of fossil fuel energy.
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We are just spitting in to a hurricane force wind. But for the time being we have each other. I decided that i would use this time to bring up two other end of times developements. One them serious the other even more serious.
The first of these is what is going on in Iran. I fully support the tactics that the Iranian regimes uses to maintain power in Iran. I do not think the idea that a society built upon the the sandy foundation of the Koran is a good idea at all. A society should be based upon a foundation of bedrock which is the writings and INTENT of Thomas Paine.
Despite this fundamental disagreement with the Iranian regime I understand where they are comming from. The Iranian regime supporters understand that that the west is irredimily corrupt. The leaders of Iran are trying to prevent the Iranian people from being seduced by the west and following the same path as the west. These leaders are not the brightest apples on the tree and have therefore chosen the wrong vehicle for preventing the fate that they wished their country to avoid. But considering the environment that were raised in I can easily conclude that they are honest believers in their cause, not cynical opportunists. There may very well be cynical opportunists in their ranks. But that is true of all sides in any conflict.
OK I also understand the frustration of many Iranians with the current regime. Of course I would not and can not critize their decision to use violence to overthrow a regime that they hate. That would be inconsistent. I do recognize that due to its flawed foundation the Iranian regime is a threat to the quality of life of 40 million Iranian women.
But I also recognize that the US MIC is an immenant threat to the quality of life of 8 billion people. It leaders are the ultimate reason that humanity is going extinct in the next few decades. Not that humans adopted agriculture 10,000 years ago. If we take only the case of Palestine, the suffering of Palestinian women at the hands of the US MIC is a thousand times greater than the suffering of Iranian women who have to wear hot clothing in the summer time. I value the support that the Iranian regime has given to the people of Palestine even if it is just rhetorical. And when we consider the suffering that all people will go through in the foreseeable future the suffering of the Iranian people at this point in time is down right trivial. But of course I can not expect huge numbers of Iranians to understand that because like the rest of the world they are in denial about what kind of life is sustainably possible to live.
I used to write on the blog of Louis Proyect. The writers there frequently countered my comments with the idea that a good does not automatically put a minus sign anywhere that the US MIC puts a plus sign and vice verse because the world is not as simple as that. I say that it obviously is as simple as that. Especially when we realize that there is very little time left for anyone of us. But even if we had lots of time left it would for geo political reasons, specifically balances of world power which are very important for good long term outcomes puting a plus where ever the US MIC puts a minus would still be very important.
Therefore I hope that the Iranian regime does not fall until the Pentagon is sacked by looters, or the Pentagon gets blown up in a nuclear explosion. I honestly can not say that this is an outcome that I would expect. The Pentagon is an extraordinaryly powerful and ruthless institution lead by very clever. but evil, people.
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The problem isn’t capitalism. It might be due to Homo Sapien’s fundamental inability to live in harmony with the planet’s ecosystems.
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Yes humanities inability to live in harmony with the planets ecosystems is a problem that can be easily recognized by people with discernment. Evil people with discernment use take advantage of the opportunity created by this inability to ask when they are campaigning, Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?
This inabilty to live in harmony with the ecosystem one reason why democracy is untenable. Let me remind you that when I use the word democracy I am only refering to the proceedure of one adult person one vote.
Freedoms from things such as to be free from cruel and unusual punishments are an aspect of a republic not a democracy. Freedom to things such as an education are an aspect of social action not democracy.
If we still had a future left there would have been 3 possible ways to have gone forward in to that future that might have had a chance at a long term future.
1. A non democratic top down economically planned command society of state owned economic institutions. (Cuba)
2. Participitory Economics. This is actually a highly democratic system in theory. It might even work if it could be tried. (Has not yet been tried though. In my opinion one could say that this idea is a modification of the middle ages guild system)
3.) A higly regulated market economy. (Do not confuse this with democratic socialism. It would have an economy that would be regulated to achieve environmentally sustainable socialist goals such as full employment, no poverty, no crime, a tad bit of fun, but those regulating it would be officials appointed by a Regency Board, not elected politicians.)
As you can see #3 is capitalist but regulated to avoid the excesses of unregulated capitalism. #2 is really a hybrid system.
Can system #1 ever be regulated in a manner which prevents the worst excesses of communism? Can institutional balances of power do that job? I say that they can if the people are properly indoctrinated and the public officials are properly trained.
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Of course, any rational person probably knows what should be done to save us, yet nobody is doing anything to save us? Of course, we all know what should be done…shutting down the industrial economy ASAP, yet nobody wants to shut it down? Why can’t humans do something so simple? Maybe it is because we are too dependent on that said economy?
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Human extinction is inevitable. Even if we didn’t discover agriculture or the Industrial Revolution, it still would have eventually happened. The discovery of agriculture and the industrial revolution only accelerated the rate at which Homo Sapiens reaches its inevitable end. All species eventually go extinct. And that includes Homo Sapiens. Most mammalian species go extinct within 500 thousand to 1 million years of their inception. Homo Sapiens has been around for 300 thousand years…and we are rushing towards our extinction as quickly as possible.
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Now for the other crucial issue that is on my mind. The NFL playoff format.
The NFL playoff format has become an atrocity. The purpose of a playoff is to pit a few of the best teams of the season against each other at the end of the year. The current playoff system is filled with mediocrity.
This system to load the playoff picture with mediocre teams is part of a larger plan to keep hope alive in the mnds of the fans when there is clearly no hope. This is a policy of evil design rather than stupidity. The US MIC was definately pulling its strings with the NFL to get this decision implemented.
Furthermore there is an obvious need for a new rule in the way that the NFL selects playoff teams. That rule should be that any division champion with a record of .500 or below can not advance to the playoffs if it would displace a team with an above .500 record.
A playoff system of quality would be one in which the only teams allowed to complete in the playoffs would be division champions which have one at least 10 games and two wild card teams with the best records even if both teams were from the same conference. If a division champion did not have 10 wins another wild card team cold be added.
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Maybe the problem isn’t capitalism? Maybe the problem is Homo Sapien’s fundamental inability to live in harmony with the natural world? I think that might be the problem.
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Ask yourself this simple question…what more could humans ever ask for that hasn’t already been invented? What more technological gimmicks can humans invent? Isn’t it obvious that we are already at the peak and nearing the end of human civilization? It is obvious to me that we have already reached the limits of technological complexity…everything that could be invented has already been invented. We are rapidly running out of new technologies to invent. Especially considering that there is nothing that can replace the technological edifice upon which industrial civilization is founded upon…cheap and abundant fossil fuels.
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What’s the CO2 footprint of global professional, college, high school sports from the beginning of natural resources to play these games? What’s so sad is that grown men play games that children play & people pay to see this childishness. What’s worse is the fans who say “We won!”. Funny, I didn’t see any of them on the field.
We have too many forest for the trees issues.
I’ll have a dash of truth with that hotdog at the game.
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Well, creating professional sports stadiums takes an enormous amount of resources and energy. Not to mentioning maintaing them. Really, humanity is going extinct not from the lack of civilization, but from too much of civilization. Then again, humans need to find a way to entertain themselves. What better way should they do that?
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I’m with you on stadiums. The sad part is that stupid voters agree to furnish tax dollars & other perks just so some adult children can be paid $millions. Just think of all the high paid concession jobs created. I’m going to apply for one of those hotdog throwing jobs.;-)
I guess we can add – “I have to be entertained.” to the Clever Apes other motto – “It’s not my fault!”
This is for those that think they can be spectators all their lives, a little bad news. These catastrophes are in their faces. A week of bullshit in the U.S. House & I didn’t hear anything about the weather weirding on this rock,from either party. Hope their value systems protect them from Anthroprogenic Global Warming. Maybe thoughts & prayers will help.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/01/09/9th-january-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
Handling the truth can be an extreme task for many.
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There is alot of talk about A.I. (Artifical Intelligence). Unfortunately, it won’t make an iota of difference because A.I. (like literally all of the rest of modern technology) requires energy from fossil fuels and minerals/metals from mining to exist. When will most people realize that they need clean air, water, soil and intact ecosystems for their survival? Not more A.I or modern technology aka fossil fuels.
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“When will most people realize that they need clean air, water, soil and intact ecosystems for their survival?”
Be careful! The crazies might think you are crazy. 😉
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Look at these young people. Whereas the older generations could actually form a coherent thought and a decent drawing without e-gadgets, the younger generation literally cannot. They have 30 second attention spans, and they need instant gratification, 24/7. How come (almost) nobody is capable of sitting down to read a good book, and now everyone needs to be stimulated 24/7 by moving pictures aka television/Internet? How come the critical thinking skills of the masses has plummeted? Maybe it is thanks to our garbage, mainstream media and e-gadget technology? That might be the case.
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I learned a new english word yesterday from Edgar Allan Poe. The word is misanthrope. I will now use that word in a sentence. Which is growing faster, the population of humans or the population of misanthropes?
A growing population of misanthropes is clearly one of the items on the check list to human exstinction.
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It is fairly obvious to any rational person where humans are headed towards…yet we pretend that isn’t the case. Sooner or later, everyone will realize the reality of human extinction.
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Just remembered a joke from Louis Black.
What’s worse than a Republican or Democrat? It’s when these assholes work together.
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Anyone need classified documents? Ask a Republican or Democrat, apparently they have plenty in storage.
Stupid voters.
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Did anyone catch the picture of Katie Porter reading , “The Subtle art of not giving a Fuck”, during the Speaker of the House Fubared Clusterfuck fiasco vote last week.
https://nnn.ng/katie-porter-reads-the-subtle-art-of-not-giving-a-fuck-during-speaker-voting/
There are 8,000,000,000 others that already don’t give a fuck.
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“Weather Weirding”, due to overpopulation, just got it’s hand into some wallets. Slow learners.
https://www.reinsurancene.ws/direct-line-cancels-dividend-as-weather-claims-hit-140m/
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Don’t worry about the overpopulation problem…the solution to it is coming soon…it means mass extermination of the worthless eaters. Obviously, there needs to be a mass reduction in human population…there is too many useless people on the planet. Of course, there is a good chance that nobody gets out of the collapse of industrial civilization alive. And it is also possible that the die-off of global human population is not due to some clandestein conspiracy…it might just be the Earth being incapable of supporting the world’s global human population. Overshoot, die off, being the inevitable result of the world being overburdened by the Earth’s human population.
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On a little side note, notice how college education is getting worse and worse. These days universities/colleges are designed to “educate” as many people as possible for the lowest cost possible. For the highest price possible. Charge ridiculous fees for a university education. Yet the costs of maintaining and delivering such an “education” is reduced to as low as possible. During the past 15 to 20 years, especially since 2010, most course work is submitted on the university website whereby an AI/computer software grades all of the students’ course work. Back in the 1990s and early 2000s, they had to hire TAs (teaching assistants) to grade course work. Not anymore, since computer software now grades most (if not, all) of the course work. This reduces the cost of running universities…yet they still charge an arm and leg (ridiculously high tuituon fees) for this worthless university education. Lower costs of running universities, plus higher tuition prices, means larger profits for the greedy, university chairmen running these “educational” facilities (more like corporations, am I right?). The greed and profit motive has now corrupted virtually all aspects of our society. So much for the “free market” coming to “improve” society. More like “some greedy, capitalist psychopaths are finding ever more ingenious ways of swindling money from the clueless and dumbed down masses” am I right?
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There’s no better example of “artificial” intellwegence(porky pig accent) than the Clever Ape.
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More like the fossil-fuel dependent, clever ape mammal that is overpopulating this planet called Earth, who will soon suffer from the collapse of industrial civilization.
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And there are plenty of clueless morons that think AI is coming to save us from extinction…sure AI will save us, when the fossil fuel supply is completely gone in the near future…AI can do jack shit when industrial civilization collapses. Really, people that put faith in technofixes–like AI–are truly delusional. AI is just more hopium for the clueless masses. AI is powerless when the fossil fuel supply is gone because AI cannot exist without fossil fuels…like the rest of modern technology. Without fossil fuels and the just-in-time supply chains operating seemlessly across a stable planet, industrial civilization will collapse very quickly. And human extinction will happen very abruptly and quickly when industrial civilization collapses. And AI can do jack shit to save Homo Sapiens from extinction.
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440,000,000 guns & how many Republicans think they are 10 feet tall & bullet proof. I always like the phrase: Societal collapse.
Can’t wait for the poor to get pissed at the rich.
https://www.abqjournal.com/2565117/solomon-pena-arrested-in-shootings-targeting-new-mexico-democratic-politicians-homes.html
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“When man is gone life will thrive.”
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Once you have seen the evidence for NTE, it becomes increasingly difficult to deny this evidence. Especially since the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. The evidence for human extinction in the relatively near term is overwhelming. The only thing we don’t know is the exact date when collapse of industrial civilization and human extinction will occur i.e. we don’t know the exact year when TEOTWAWKI will happen, but I reckon it isn’t more than a decade or two from now. Probably much sooner than 2040.
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Just FYI, doomerism is NOT conspiracy theories. Mainstream media tries to lump doomers with right-winged conspiracy theorists– like Alex Jones…that is COMPLETELY WRONG. A total STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. Doomers are not right-winged conspiracy theorists.
We (doomers) believe in the exact opposite beliefs of those right-wingers. We are anti-capitalists, and we oppose human industrial activities, because we correctly acknowledge that capitalism and industrial civilization is destroying both human society and the natural world. We acknowledge the unsustainabilty and corruption of industrial civilization and global capitalism. The right-wingers are the exact opposite of us…they are pro-capitalist and they are pro-industrial civilization. They deny the unsustainability and corruption of industrial civilization and global capitalism.
The only difference between right-wingers and the so-called “leftists” liberals is that the former blames the world’s problems on “communism/socialism” and brown/black/Asian/non-European people, and the latter blames tne world’s problem on “racism” and “sexism”. The right wingers are blatantly racists/ white Supremacists, while the leftists pretend to support “multiculturalism” and LBGT+.
Neither the right-wingers nor left-winged “liberals” recognize or acknowledge that the root of industrial civilization is capitalism and industrialization. On the contrary, those two groups both adamently support capitalism and industrialization. And they both vehemently deny the unsustainabilty of industrial civilization, and also deny the inevitabilty of industrial civilization’s imminent collapse and human extinction in the relatively near future.
Do you guys agree with what I just wrote? I would like your input on this topic.
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Typo: ***the root of industrial civilization’s problems***
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Seems pretty acurate. Although, I think that left wingers are divided on the issue of capitalism. Those people who claim to be left wingers that actually hold an important office in government seem to always support capitalism. While those leftwingers who support socialism usually do not hold any important governmental positions. Even on the left very few people recognize(d) the radical changes that needed to be made to the way that humans live(d). Or if they did recognize what actually needed to be done they kept their mouth shut about it.
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In other words, business as usual will continue until industtrial civilization catastrophically collapses, and human extinction happens in the relatively near future. Both the right-wingers and left-wingers support the status quo, which is the transfer of money from the lower and middle classes into the pockets of the obscenely rich, capitalist sociopaths that control industrial civilization. I suspect that human extinction is not too far away because social media is now actively censoring and hiding the truth about industrial civilization’s endemic unsustainability and corruption…and Homo Sapien’s imminent extinction.
Why? To maintain BAU for a little bit longer, until human extinction finally happens. Like Michael Ruppert said in 2010: “it may not be profitable to slow decline. More money can be made more quickly by accelerating collapse, bankrupting the world, starving the mases, selling assets rather than investing in a sustainable new paradigm”. The elites are already planning to profit off of the mayhem and chaos resulting from the decay and decline of civilization…until the day of reckoning finally happens, and human extinction occurs.
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“mayhem and chaos”, “decay and decline” – title of a new song that needs a good beat & is easy to dance to.
What would Michael Ruppert be saying today? I imagine George Carlin would be giving the monkey minds hell.
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Michael Ruppert predicted 15 years old ago, due to peak oil (and the depletion of other nonrenewable resources) it would lead to a permanent and dramatic increase in the price of all commodities (especially food), and this would be the most obvious sign that global oil extraction has peaked and is entering permanent decline. This has been the case since the COVID-19 lockdown, because global oil extraction did indeed hit its all time peak in 2019, and has entered perpeutal decline since 2019. Food prices has significiantly increased as a result.
BTW, Michael Ruppert was well-aware of the existence anthropogenic climate disruption, but he kinda underestimated its significance. He mentions climate change many times, but he kinda underestimated its signifcance in contributing to the collapse of civilization.
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Michael,
Your mea culpa is excepted.
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Random Cool Stuff,
It has been widely reported that Michael Ruppert died as a result of suicide quite a ways back. I now think that he faked his death. You have convinced me that you are Michael Ruppert incogneeto. If I am wrong are you perhaps Michael McKenzie incogneeto?
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No, I can assure you that Michael Ruppert is no longer alive on this planet. However, I have read and studied his work extensively, and I can assure you that he isn’t batshit insane. On the contrary, the people attacking his work are ignorant sheeple and corporate shills…these people defending industrial civilization and denying its innate unsustainability are dead wrong about literally everything. Michael Ruppert’s work is based on solid scientific fact, and not the corporate, paid-shill propaganda of mainstream media/deluded hopium. The doomers are winning…there is no deux ex machina technology ever coming to prevent industrial civilization’s inevitable demise and Homo Sapien’s imminent extinction. The deniers–aka the tecbno-optimists–have no factual arguments to refute the facts presented by the doomers, so they now have to resort to full-scale censorship on social media to conceal the reality of NTE from the masses. To keep the pyramid scheme of global capitalism afloat requires the ignorant masses remain dumbed down and brainwashed…thus the sheeple remain unaware of industrial civilization’s and mankind’s inevitable and imminent extinction.
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I realized something very important today…it is the best idea not to share links to these doomer/NTE sites on social media…because the vast majority of people do not possess the emotional or intellectual capacity to handle the unpleasent truth about human civilization’s inevitable and imminent demise. And I cannot force this unpleasent information onto them. I see no point in sharing links about NTE on social media anymore, because the vast majority of the masses think that I am a nutjob when I tell them the truth about NTE. And the few people that read these doomer links I share ultimately get super-depressed and unhappy. The only relief I have is that, sooner or later, the day of reckoning–aka NTE–will arrive, so no amount of hopium, denial or willful ignorance can save humanity from extinction.
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Informing the masses about the comming collapse would not be a very helpful thing to do, especially if the masses believed that the collapse was close at hand. If the masses believed that collapse was likely to happen very soon the behavior of the masses would bring the collapse on even sooner. This knowledge would be a catalyst.
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Of course, there is basically zero chance of the masses ever realizing the reality of NTE before it actually happens. Especially when the elites control all of the mass media…in fact, as NTE approaches nearer (especially when it is actually very, very close), the elites will ramp up their censorship of NTE, and increase the hopium and denial of it. This is already happening. They are ramping up the censorship of NTE online, and they are increasing the hopium, denial and disinformation. Let’s be 100% honest. If the elites could actually prevent NTE from happening, then why are they so vehemently denying it? The fact they deny and censor it is more than enough proof that it is gonna happen. And they have absolutely no way of preventing NTE from happening…so it must be vehemently denied…and the elites must spread more hopium and propaganda about how NTE will never happen. Especially with NTE right on the horizon.
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Just FYI, Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source of information because it is NOT neutral or unbiased…contrary to what it claims to be. Wikipedia pretends to be unbiased, but the reality is that its so-called “neutral point of view” is really just Orwellian doublespeak…Wikipedia is designed to support the mainstream media’s lies and BS under the guise of a “neutral point of view”. Wikipedia is not unbiased–let alone a source of reliable, factual information…it is more propaganda from mainstream media designed to mislead (and thus enslave and control) the masses by the corporations running the show. But some people say “Wikipedia is a non-profit organization, and is thus free from corporate manipulations and propaganda”. That is not correct. Wikipedia may be a “non-profit” organization, but it is most likely secretly controlled by corporate interests, too. So-called non-profits are just shams because they are, most likely, secretly funded by corporate PR (public relations) firms to support the status quo of global corporate capitalism.
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There is a good reason that NTE is inevitable. OVERPOPULATION. There is no way we can support 8 billion + people for much longer. Especially when you realize how hopelessly dependent humans are of finite and nonrenewable resources like fossil fuels, mineral ores and top soil. And all of the world’s nonrenewable and finite resources that humans absolutely depend on are rapidly being depleted to nothing.
Based on my calculations, I predict that the global supply chains will permanently collapse sometime between 2025 to 2035 because of peak oil and the depletion of other finite, nonrenewable resources. So the collapse of industrial civilization will probably occur sometime between 2025 to 2035. And NTE aka when there is no more humans left on the Earth, probably around 2040.
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For those that can’t see the forest for the trees, when you cut down all the trees you still won’t be able to see the forests.
“In many cases, commodity-driven deforestation is essentially a permanent change compared to shifting agriculture,” explained Christy Slay, a conservation ecologist and the senior director of science and research applications at The Sustainability Consortium. “These areas will likely never be forests again.”
We are living the “Show me the money!” mindset.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148674/sizing-up-how-agriculture-connects-to-deforestation
Wonder just how horrible our future is going to be? “I pity the fool..” that doesn’t at least see the possibility a little discomfort.
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This debunks the commonly-held myth that trees are a “renewable” resource. It is commonly (and falsely) believed by most people that if you cut down a tree, you can replant another one in its place and the tree will regrow. And that people can constantly cut down, replant and regrow trees as a “renewable” resource in so-called tree “farms”.
Unfortunately, second growth forests/tree “farms” are literally always smaller, genetically defective, more-borne to disease, inferior and lower-quality trees/wood than oldgrowth forests. That is because logging aka cutting down trees by human technology causes an unnatural disturbance in a forest ecosystem. Normally, when a tree dies in a forest, its body falls down, and rots on the forest floor. Thus, its rooten body provides nutritents for the next generation of trees’ seedlings to grow from. When a tree is cut down by humans via logging, the tree’s body is physically removed from the forest.
Thus, the tree cannot replenish the forest’s soil nutrients because the dead tree has been removed from the forest by human civilization aka loggers. Therefore, forestry/logging removes nutrients from the forest soil, and within a few short decades, tree “farms” transform into sterile wastelands incapable of supporting any trees–let alone any life. The constant cutting down and removal of trees in forests via logging quickly depletes a forest of its soil nutrients. Thus, trees will eventually become unable to grow in what used to be a forest within a few short decades. Thus, logging transforms thriving forest ecosystems into barren wastelands incapable of supporting any trees or any significiant life with a few short decades.
This debunks the myth of wood being a “renewable” resource, and it also debunks the myth of “sustainable” forestry of so-called “tree” farms.
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Right now human waste is wasted. We flush it in to the oceans for the most part. What if that human waste was mixed with shredded paper and chopped up wood from futurner that had been junked then mixed with some muchroom spores and then spread back upon the forest floor, would this process create a sustainable forest for an X amount number of people?
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That is a good question. But it is unlikely to work because forests were never intended to be cut down by humans with axes/chainsaws in the first place. Deforestation ALWAYS destroys natural ecosystems, so no amount of tinkering by humans will ever make forestry/logging sustainable.
Also, when people deforest an old-growth forest, they destroy all of the other species necessary for keeping ecosystems healthy…like wild mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, fungi and etc. Therefore, second-growth forests will always be unsustainable…even if humans tried to replenish them with human wastes and toilet paper, as you suggested.
Therefore, no amount of human ingenuity can make wood a truly “renewable” resource for the logging industry and human civilization. Humans are violating the sacred laws of nature/ecosystems by deforesting and cutting down trees, and our self-conceited arrogance that all of the world’s natural resources “belong” to civilization, will be our downfall, as resource depletion eventually leads to collapse of civilization. Human civilization’s anthropocentrism and destruction of the natural world will soon lead to human extinction. The day of reckoning aka NTE is rapidly approaching.
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Random Cool Michael Rupert Stuff,
That is a pretty important set of observations that you have made about the difficulty of forest permaculture. OK let us say that wood can not be made renewable. Can humans get by on Bamboo, Hemp, Jute. Linnen, and (and I am forgetting one) alone?
The next question is, if a school teacher, or the Cuban Central Committee, said I want you to write a 2500 hundred word essay on how to overcome the obsticals that stand in the way of making forestry truely and sincerely sustainable would you be able to complete the assignment?
Once (if) you finished the assignment do you think that you would get an A or a D (1 or 4) as your grade?
After reading your report I suppose that the members of a central committee would have to consider the question, if all of the measures neccessary to maintain a truely sustainable forestry system are carried out, would it be ECONOMICLY worthwhile to do it. I guess that would depend on if humans could get by on Bamboo, Hemp, Jute, Flax, and the the material that I forgot.
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Well, I think the unfortunate reality is that it is now, more or less, impossible to live sustainably on this planet…especially with the endemic corruption of our economic system and the fact the world is too overpopulated. It is much, much too late to save humanity at this point. Humans are facing NTE as an unavoidable reality at this point.
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Ignorance is bliss.
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Why am I so happy? 😉
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People who live in Buddhapest are always smiling. I suppose that is because they have a greater capability to see the tumor in a tragic situation than everyone else, Helyes?? I hope that I spelled that correctly.
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Here is a doomer link I just found…97% of the planet’s ecosystems have been completely annihilated by industrial civilization by 2021.
https://hypebeast.com/2021/4/humans-destroy-97-percent-of-earths-ecosystem-news
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And advertisements are literally everywhere. It is impossible to avoid advertisements these days. They say that human extinction will soon arrive when the entire world is filled with nothing but lies and BS aka advertisements. I think that day has already arrived. The average person just hasn’t realized this yet. And they will probably never realize it until NTE/human extinction does finally arrive. And I hope human extinction does finally happen because humans fully, 100% deserve it ASAP. And it will happen. I am fairly certain that it will be a sudden and catastrophic die-off of the global human population rather than a slow and gradual decline of global human population. I know that it will be a rather, sudden crash of human population towards humanity’s inevitable extinction.
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I recently saw an advertisement for a dystopian science fiction show depicting what human civilization might look like in the year 2077. One huge glaring flaw with such an idea…there will almost certainly be no humans alive on this planet in 2077–let alone maintaining any semblance of human civilization for another 50 plus years. I don’t know exactly when the last human to live on Earth will perish, but human extinction will probably occur long before 2077. It is obvious that there is literally no miracle technology coming to save Homo Sapiens from NTE. I can guranatee you with 100% certainty that there is nothing that can replace fossil fuels, and industrial civilization is already rapidly running out of new technological “innovation” (more like technological gimmicks, am I right?) to extend its life expectancy. Guy McPherson maybe wrong about the date for human extinction by 2026 or 2030…and let’s say human civilization is still around by 2030, it might give the deniers more ammo for denying that the day reckoning will ever come. But I can guranatee, you that NTE will still happen, perhaps a few years after 2030, but the young people alive today (aka anyone born after the year 2000) will almost certainly live long enough to see the day when human civilzation permanently ends for good and human extinction occur. Anyone born after 2020 will most certainly live long enough to see collapse of industrial civilization and human extinction occur.
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I needed a small break. Listening is not required. Music is subjective. I’m going to miss all types of music.
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Btw, I have a question for you that might be a bit off topic, but did you use dip pens while you attended elementary, middle and high school? You were born in 1949, so you might have used dip pens in school. In which year did you use your first personal computer (PC)? I would want to know what life was like when you were young aka when you were a kid/young adult.
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I never used fountain pens but all my family did. Thru school, I used pencils & ball point pens. I’m so old that I wrote hieroglyphics on wet clay. Didn’t get a PC, greatest library in history of man, until 2008. During high school & college I spent plenty of time in the library researching for assignments. Nothing then was at one’s at my fingertips as it is today. I can still make change & solve some math problems without a four function calculator, just not as quickly.
I grew up in the South as an entitled white Ape & saw plenty of Redneck white trash hatred. One thing I miss about the 60s/70s was the gas wars among gas stations on all four corners. I remember gas @ $0.26/gal. The oil embargo was not fun. I traveled for construction work & one had better have a full gas can because one didn’t know if the next station had gas. We had renovated school buses, open on both sides, displaying produce for sale in our neighborhoods. Some of the produce still had dirt from the latest harvest & OMG it wasn’t perfect. Two things that were on time, the ice cream truck & Tunipseeds’ produce bus. Govt. cheese was better than nothing & it wasn’t bad. We had hog killings/butchering in the front yard in winter, carried my share of water from a well which had a windless & rope. Think of all the water we saved not having to flush the outhouse. I’m waiting to watch modern Western societies having to live like their ancestors, as they enter extinction. I’ve been thinking about a startup selling reusable crying towels. Cry,wash, rinse & repeat.
Humor of that time: What more fun than pissing in a well? Stomping baby chickens.
“Get out of the gutter & come on down to the sewer with me.”
Move over! This species has arrived.
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Nothing like fresh fried pork loin in hot biscuits after the pig was cut up,wrapped & in a freezer or canned. Just remembered covering hams with salt wrapping them in burlap cloth feed bags & storing them in a salt box. Cleaning chitlins with a hose was fun. To those that turn up their noses,where has your face & tongue been?
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Speaking of eating meat, I have one BIG problem with vegans. Do they honestly think that they are saving the biosphere by avoiding meat eating? Of course, a vegan diet is not remotely ecologically-friendly…veganism is still based off of large-scale human agriculture, which is the NUMBER ONE CAUSE of planetary ecocide. I recently read a book by Guy McPherson, who briefly explains why veganism won’t save human civilization from near-term collapse nor save the planet’s biosphere
from mass extinction. Veganism is just another false “solution” for the omnidical, heat-engine of industrial civilization.
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Well, there is a BIG difference between fountain pens and dip pens btw. Contrary to popular belief, they are not the same thing. This blog explains the difference between the two instruments
https://thepostmansknock.com/dip-pens-fountain-pens-not-as-similar-as-you-think-2/
So do you own a smartphone in 2023 btw? I didn’t get a smartphone until around 2017. The current smartphone is the 3rd smartphone I own. My previous two smartphones still work…they haven’t broken yet. The only problem is that they are now too outdated to properly use most websites in 2023. My current smartphone I bought in early May of 2022. I don’t even use a PC anymore. I stopped using PC’s in 2017. I do everything on my smartphone these days.
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My grandparents used dip pens & communicated with a lot of writing. We have a flip phone & buy minutes when we travel. I don’t want a phone, someone may call me to help them move. I always thought smart phone were to expensive especially when the companies may, already have the next two iterations stored in warehouses to dump on the unaware suckers. If I’m out & have an emergency, there are plenty of people that are tickled to use their phones whenever possible. S-phones are convenient
especially when I don’t have to purchase one or the service. I’m not cheap just frugal.
It’s very easy to have many open windows on the PC to compare info on any topic.Large screens are easy for old eyes when one is reading longer articles & comparing their different agendas. Just recently purchased a refurbished,loaded as they say about vehicles, PC. Compared to the old one ,this one runs at warp speed even with slower server speeds.
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I don’t have a data plan for my smartphones. It costs 30 Canadian dollars a month to have a data plan subscription from a company like Fido and Telus. Not really worth it since I don’t even make any calls with my smartphone. I just use my home Wifi on my smartphone. Or I ocassionally take some pictures and videos with it while I am outdoors.
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Alot of delusional, hopium addicts still think that industrial civilization will never end. I would like to see their shocked and frightened reactions when SHTF/human extinction does finally happen right in front of their face. I sincerely hope that they are still alive when the day of reckoning happens.
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Contrary to popular belief, technological “progress” is not exponentially growing in the 21st century. The reality is that most (if not all) of the major breakthrough technologies were invented many decades/centuries ago in the 18th, 19th, and early/mid 20th century. The proliferation of the Internet during the past two to three decades will most likely be the last and final technological breakthrough before our civilization finally ends for good–in the relatively near future. And there is obviously nothing capable of replacing the entire edifice of human civilization–fossil fuels, which are rapidly being depleted to nothing. Not to mention the plethora of other nonrenewable and finite resources–like metal/mineral ores and top soil–which are also rapidly being depleted to nothing. The Internet is the last and final major technological innovation human civilization will ever invent…before its inevitable end and collapse.
And people use the example of “improvements” in the graphics of video games as “proof” of rapid technological “progress”. That is simply not true. The graphics of video games has not really improved–at all–during the past ten or more years, in reality. The screen resolution might have “improved” from 1080p to 4k/8k, but video games in 2023 look just as crappy as they did in 2013. The people selling the myth of technological “progress” are all corporations–desperately pretending/maintaining the illusion of on-going technological “progress” …to fool the masses into believing that civilization will never end.
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Now, the elites are trying to phase out CDs, DVDs and Blu Ray discs on computers and televisions, as they try to get everyone hooked onto “smart” phones and TVs. Notice how newer computers don’t even have disc drives anymore. I assume this move is probably an attempt to better brainwash and control the masses by increasing the corporate control of the news and information the masses receive. They are now labeling cloud computing as the new technological “progress” in computing. But in reality, it is probably a desperate attempt by the elites to better brainwash the masses by restricting and controlling the information the sheeple receive. You want proof that human extinction is gonna soon happen? The fact that the elites are increasing their brainwashing of the masses is proof it.
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Trolls are the bane of the Internet. They ruin every fucking site on the Internet. Of course, it doesn’t matter when near-term human extinction happens because all of those idiotic, immature trolls online will die when industrial civilization collapses…along with the other 8 billion + worthless eaters on the planet.
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Hey Curt Kastens,
I’ve got a conspiracy. Two Presidents & one VP have classified documents held while they were/are private citizens. How many other elected or appointed officials have one or two docs? What is their personal & the PTBs benefits from these crime?
My big old butt would be locked up immediately if documents were found in my nail apron, toolbox or storage cabinets.
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TR,
I have not followed this story. I have no idea how these stories fit in to the grand scheme of things. I do not care. My quick estimate is that these stories (this story) are nothing but leaves on the twigs of the trees of the forest.
There are no longer any sources that one can turn to that one can expect will reliably report the facts of events. I suspect that the entire story (set of stories) is just designed to confuse people in general or perhaps to confuse a certain subset of people.
The forest (big picture) is that humanity is irredeemably corrupt. The picture even bigger than that is that the forest (which humanity is a part of) seems to sit inside of a giant steaming heaving caldera. Science (seismology in this analogy) indicates that a massive eruption is not far off. It is easy to imagine that once such an eruption happens the forest (and humanity along with it) will be destroyed.
Some people, myself included, maintain that there is an even bigger picture, or a deeper level to the rabbit hole. That is that the time and space that we experience are themselves an illusion. If people do not understand the true nature of time and space can anyone claim to know anything at all with certainty?
If that is the case our lack of knowledge about the foundation of our existence would cast a just a shadow of doubt over everything that appears to be real. But such a shadow is probably not in the least bit relevant to the picture of a decaying forest that is about to get destroyed by titanic unstoppable forces. Why, because when was the last time that a shadow actually moved an object?
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“I have no idea how these stories fit in to the grand scheme of things.” I know you have heard: “Death by a thousand cuts.”
I don’t call them stories. Possession of classified documents by private citizens is a crime. Donald Trump said these documents belonged to him. He admitted to the fact of document possession. Biden & Pence as private citizens, are just as guilty.
“foundation of our existence”, we are simply products of biological evolution. Anything other than that has no evidence except in the creative mind. From the TV series,”Dragnet” –
“The facts Mam, just the facts.” 😉
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And the ultimate classified document is the report made in 2000 about how much oil reserves were really left, and in who’s in possession of that oil. Of course, the official estimates of oil /fossil fuel reserves are most likely greatly exaggerated. They say we still have 1.4 trillion barrels of oil left in 2023? I doubt it. Maybe in 1970 or 1980, we had 1.4 trillion barrels of oil left. But now in 2023, it is likely only 400 billion to 500 billion barrels of extractable oil left on this planet (and likely even much less than that when considering that much of those reserves are not feasible to extract). There was about 2 trillion barrels of oil at the beginning of the industrial revolution. We have already depleted most of the economically extractable fossil fuels by 2023.
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The biological evolution of humans is not part of the biggest picture.
The bigger picture is how did the universe that our evolution occured in evolve.
The answer, what ever it is, is absurd.
Human existence conditions us to believe that everything that happens is the cause of some kind of effect.
That means that the idea that EVERYTHING began with a big bang can not hold up to human experience. Maybe everything including time itself really did begin with a big bang 14 billion years ago. But it is not my opinion alone that to believe such a thing is absurd. The obvious question is what caused this big bang to expand when it did. Of course religious people say God.
I am not a religious person. I am a philosopher and a feral scientist. Billions of other scientist in many locations busy themselves thinking about this question also. They come up with lots of different ideas.
Of course if our visible universe is just one dimension in a part of some kind of multiverse we can never gather enough data about the entire universe to get a final answer. But if we could gather such data would the explanation seem logical or would it just raise the absurdity to a new level.
Of course I imagine that you know that plenty of scientists reject the idea that there are other universes that are beyond our ability to detect. So we just have to accept that we can not understand this absurd explanation of how it all began anymore than we can accept the absurd explanation of the trinity.
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Of course, there is absolutely zero chance of humans ever colonizing Mars or some other planet. Near-term human extinction, on the other hand, is 100% guranateed at this point. We just don’t know the precise/exact date of when human extinction/collapse of industrial civilization will happen.Will human extinction happen in 2024, 2026, 2030, 2035, etc? The exact year when it will happen we still don’t know, but the signs of NTE are extremely obvious…the root causes of human extinction is very, very obvious. Maybe it is because of overpopulation and overconsumption on a finite planet with finite, nonrenewable resources? That is probably why.
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This short video might be appreciate d here.
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Really, is there any reason why anyone thinks nuclear fusion is remotely possible? Nuclear fusion is obviously pure hopium…it is never gonna happen. I don’t need to even watch that video to know that nuclear fusion is not even remotely possible.
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I don’t know how far out there this is. Fusion is a simply matter, we just don’t know all the science to make it practical. Same goes for perpetual motion machines & anti-gravity devices. At one time science never had a clue that we could talk to each other thru the air. Flying was a fools errand & going to the moon was insanity. That’s my $2,000,000,000 worth.
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You damn well know that fusion is pure hopium, TR. I think you are pretending that it is even a possibility. Fusion is 100%, pure, hopium, and the desperate delusions of industrial civilization, which is on the brink of collapse and human extinction. Pretending that some new technology is gonna save us.
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You say that the existence of wireless communications (aka the Internet) and airplanes is proof of mankind’s endless ingenuity and technology’s ability to solve all of humanity’s problems? What if I told you that none of those modern technologies could possibly exist without the cheap and exceptionally-powerful energy from fossil fuels? In fact, industrial civilization would abruptly and catastrophically collapse when this energy from fossil fuels is gone in the relatively near future. Because we (humans) are completely dependent on fossil fuels for literally EVERYTHING. Especially the production and distribution of food to feed the 8 billion + people on the planet.
Without the just-in-time supply chains (all powered by energy from fossil fuels, of course) operating 24/7 across the planet, the supermarket shelves will completely and permanently run out of food (and other supplies). The gas stations will permanently “run out” of gas. The electricity grid and all telecommunications will permanently end. The water will stop flowing out of the municipal pipes (since the purification and distribution of the water supply is also directly dependent on electricity/supply chains/fossil fuels). And literally everyone on the planet will quickly die from starvation/dehydration, violent social strife and/or disease when collapse of industrial civilization happens. Leading, mostly likely, to human extinction in the relatively near future.
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“Somewhere along the line, we’ve lost the sense of acceptance of responsibility.” – U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan in a trial of the death or Capitol Officer Sicknick. The Clever Ape’s motto – “It’s not my fault.” Well dumb asses, say it about the suffering your loved one’s will be going thru, maybe sooner than later. I can’t wait to see what climate does to the U.S. this coming summer.
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On the Tyre Nichols’ video,why are people so upset? This is what the Clever Ape does. We not only have the stupid gene, we also have the hate gene. The snowflake gene prevents baboon brains from delivering equally severe, publicly viewed punishments.
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Maybee this short video will be accepted as a sacrificial offering.
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Why is the comments section for this article so long? Over 600 comments? Perhaps, it is because there is a lack of any other good sites to discuss collapse of industrial civilization/NTE? This site is probably the only decent site left to discuss the end of civilization/end of Homo sapiens. Reddit and Facebook are poor sites for any form of serious intellectual discussion. Because those sites are designed to breed stupidity/the lack of intellectual discussion.
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I think this has already been discussed before, but I think it is worth pointing out that data on the Internet is actually extremely easy to permanently lose. Contrary to popular belief, data on the Internet is extremely ephermal…what is posted on the Internet can very easily disappear forever. And that is not even taking into consideration what will inevitably happen when industrial civilization ends for good–in the relatively near future.
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Is this is the last site standing where one can discuss the end of industrial civilization? Only 3 people are participating. Because only 3 people are participating, it certainly does not appear to me that there is much demand to discuss the collapse of industrial civilization. Is it because the 3 of us are foolish nerds that are concerned about a mirage or ghost? Or, is there some site that is being hidden from us, on the dark web perhaps, where hundreds, thousands or maybe even millions of people are talking about this theme? Or, is it because millions of people really do not want to dwell on the obvious therefore they have no desire to say anything at all?
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What makes you think that NTE is obvious? I thought the end of civilization was only a secret a few people knew about. I don’t believe most people are aware of NTE. Or maybe I am wrong about that assumption.
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Just FYI, television, the Internet and other mass media is being used by the elites to brainwash, enslave and control the masses. Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory? Well, it is real. Television is the most effective means of controlling and enslaving the masses ever invented. They call TV “programming” for a good reason…it designed to program the masses/sheeple to become wageslaves/consumers/debt slaves/breeders. They (the elites) have recently released an anime television show encouraging the masses to breed as many babies as possible. I am not joking about this. I am 100% serious about this. Seems like the elites are intentionally encouraging the masses to breed as many babies as possible to keep the pyramid scheme of consumer capitalism afloat for a little bit longer.
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I am not sure if you are kidding or not. Yet there are many different aspects to your comment. One difference is that you live in Canada. I live in Germany. The world’s environmental problems are a frequent topic of discussion in Germany. That human extinction in this century is a possibility is widely recognized, in Germany. At least among the people in my circle.
Of course mainstream political discourse in Germany never dwells on the subject.
Ok, what about Canada and the US? I certainly can not really say how widespread the concern about habitat collapse is in either country. My guess is that habitat “doomers” or “alarmists” are a tiny minority in both countries. But even a tiny minority of over 350 million people should be a quite large number. Therefore the idea itself can not be exactly a secret.
In the link below, a clue that the idea of NTHE gets discussed among educated people in the English speaking world. Otherwise Sabine Hossenfelder would not refer to doomers on one side and Elon Musk and techno champions on the other.
Ok, Sabine concludes her broadcast by saying both are wrong.
But I have to wonder, is she deliberately lying? I am not say that she is getting money to lie? What I do wonder is, is she lying because she does not want to spread doom and gloom to children. That would be a good reason to lie. After all if you were sitting in an Airplane next to a 7 year old child on a plane that was about to crash are you to tell this 7 year old that s/he is about to be ripped to pieces or are you going to tell them that there have been a number of cases in the past in which every one on board a crashing aircraft died except for some children who have more flexible bones than children do. Of course you do not want to rob children of hope until they are of age to deal with it. Between the ages of 13 and 18 children have to get a less rosy picture until at the age of 18 they can learn the horrible truth.
Now Sabine H. portrays us doomers as being overly hysterical.
Does she really believe that? I can not say. She is not a social scientist or a real economist. But I would think that she would not be totally oblivious to the idea of backwards planning. It is just common sense that if you want to achieve a goal by a certain time that you need to know what steps needed to be achieved before that date and when for the goal to be reached in time.
Does she and all of the others in the intellectual class actually assume that anyone has actually done any systematic backwards planning at all to reach climate goals? That would be a really stupid assumption to make.
If a person sets out just to do some very simple backwards planning a person with a US high school education should be able to understand that such a systematic study needed to be completed by 1990. Because efforts to reach important goals with just a reasonable 30% chance of success needed to be started by 1990.
I am sure that Sabine has also heard of the concept of a CO2 budget. Talk of a CO2 budget is pure smoke and mirrors, deliberate I suspect. But given a world CO2 level over 350 ppm
anyone with a minimal education should be able to understand that we have already overshot our CO2 budget.
But even if someone does not understand that we already do not have any CO2 budget room to play with, with no systematic planning being done by anyone to reach climate goals let alone systemic action to reach climate goals it should be clear that the carbon budget will undoubtedly be squandered.
I am sure that Sabine is aware of the feedback loops of warming which are vastly stronger than the cooling loops. Yet she still calls doomers wrong. Did she make a mistake or a desiminate a white lie for the benefit of young children?
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Well, people WITHOUT any offspring are at an “unfair” advantage over those with offspring. I don’t have any offspring, at all, therefore I have no reason to deny the reality of NTHE. People with offspring–especially with offspring, who are still under the age of 18 years old–need to deny the collapse of industrial civilization for obvious reasons. I am not sure if xraymike79 has any offspring. I would be genuinely surprised if he did because it wouldn’t make any sense for him to advocate the idea of NTHE if he has offspring. Me and TR are at an “unfair” advantage by vocally advocating NTHE…since we don’t have any biological offspring. It would be pretty hard (if not impossible) to talk about NTHE…especially if you have biological offspring under the age of 18 years old. Or any biological offspring at all. Don’t you agree?
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I think, often, how wonderful this rock would be if this habitat destroying virus had simply controlled it’s population. All the animals that had gone extinct due to man could have been flourishing. How many plant & animals have the egotistical, self absorbed, narcissistic parents sent into extinction by thinking their habitat destroying children are special. This applied to my parents. The best thing they did was only have one of me.
My consolation will be watching parents suffer as they watch their children die. I’ll use the Clever Apes motto: “It’s not my fault.” I’m expecting science to discover that ignorance is a new gene.
I’ve been banned from several sites because they ‘can’t handle the truth.’ I’ll send them my thoughts & prayers. I’m so sorry that reality will be upsetting their set of living arrangement.
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“Control human population”…that is simply not possible, mate. Overpopulation, crash, and die off/extinction is inevitable for Homo Sapiens. Any species with an “unfair” competitive advantage over other species will simply drive other species to extinction, and then overpopulate the planet. The fact that there is now over 8,000,000,000 people on this planet was, more or less, inevitable…just like how NTHE is, more or less, inevitable. It seems like “higher” intelligence is indeed a lethal mutation…it inevitably leads to overpopulation, crash and die off/extinction of Homo sapiens.
The only question now is “how many more human beings can we can cram onto this overpopulated planet before NTHE happens?”. I think we might not ever reach 9 billion people by 2035 or 2040. It is likely the horsemen of the Apocalypse would already be exterminating humanity and causing human extinction before the 9 billionth person is ever born onto this planet.
What do you think? Will there ever be 9 billion people on this planet in 2040? I would like to hear your opinion on this.
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Without something extremely disastrous happening, pop. will continue to grow. I think there will be new pregnancies to the final humans. There will be pregnant women dying in the end.
You & I did our part in trying to stop overpopulation. It may too late to stop what might be coming. I see an immense dark cloud on the horizon. Look at all the beautiful, special children being born to all the special parents.
I don’t hate babies/children, I hate when they grow up & become as ignorant as their parents. I chose years ago to not die dumb. 😉
https://www.worldometers.info/
We are in the choir, talking to each other, & neither the pastor or congregation see us much less listen.
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“Without something extremely disasterous happening”… the collapse is already on the horizon. Yes, we both know that human population will continue to grow until collapse of industrial civilization finally puts an end to human population growth (and perhaps put an end to Homo sapiens for good). As a matter of the fact, global human population might exceed 8.5 billion people by 2030 (if industrial civilization still hasn’t ended by then). Global human population is still growing by 90 million people per year (despite the COVID-19 pandemic killing millions of people around the world). In fact, the number of new people being added to this planet since the COVID-19 lockdown was more than the entire population of Earth during the height of the Roman Empire 2,000 years ago. I don’t know the exact date when NTHE will happen, but it is very likely to happen before 2040, IMO.
And it will likely be a sudden and catastrophic drop from BAU. Rather than a slow and gentle decline. Like I said many times before, the “advancement” in modern technology is already rapidly declining. It is no longer possible to make computers and electronic gadgets faster and more powerful. Look at computers and smartpbones made in 2023 compared to those made 10 to 15 years ago. Are they actually “better” than those made in the early 2010s? Not really. Just some minor changes in their physical appearance to give the illusion of on-going technological “progress”. Really, it is just planned obsolesence, in reality.
AI coming to the rescue? More hopium, am I right? They are coming up with AI-generated artwork during the past 2 to 3 years, but will that do a damn thing to save humans from extinction when collapse of industrial civilization happens in the relatively near future? Absolutely not.
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Yes, Grandchildren, Great Grandchildren, Nieces and Nephews, and other children under the age of ? need to be considered to too.
Maybe this site should be given a X rating.
That would make us porn stars.
Never thought I would retire to become a porn star.
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xraymike could change the title to: “NTE Porn”
I’m not taking off my clothes. I don’t want people laughing at me or my minor endowment. 😉
This species has turned into a joke.
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Pros & Cons are mute when irreversible tipping points are reached.
I think monkey minds lived on Venus,overpopulated it & turned it into a hothouse. So they moved to Mars,overpopulated it & stripped it of atmosphere & this stripped the planet of water. “Time to move again. Let’s try Earth.” Third time is a charm. Maybe the assholes will go extinct.
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Cool Fandom Michael Ruppert Stuff,
My comment did not end up in the correct place. I wanted to add something to it. Once industrial agriculture becomes impossible NTHE can be delayed by emergency measures such as food rationing.
But the current powers that be have so much invested in to the idolitry of neo liberalism my guess is that no emergency measures will be enacted in the English speaking world for sure and possibly no where at all.
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Well, I don’t think it is even theoretically possible to delay NTHE-causing global famine…unless of course, we can fairly and equally distribute the remaining natural resources on the planet to decrease the unspeakable amounts of human suffering caused by global famine. Which will obviously never happen. What will most likely happen (and is already probably happening) is that scarcity of natural resources/decreasing availability of food means extreme price inflation of industrial products (especially that of food). And then, the poorer people are literally pushed off of the economic cliff (due to their inability to purchase sufficient amounts of food). Which is already happening. The poor are literally being starved to death (as the rate of resource extraction and food production is in perpeutal decline). To keep the game of capitalism afloat for a little bit longer. Until literally every human on this planet perishes from famine, violent social strife and disease. Including the so-called “elite” people.
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Another thing, the masses of people struggling to make a living are indoctrinated to believe what the dominate political figures tell them. And should a dissenting voice gain some credibility among a fair number of people that person will get ridiculed. The powers that be can line up far more “ordained” experts to ridicule an unorthodox truth teller than such a truth teller could line up from potential allies.
On top of that we are dealing with other things like people believing what they want to believe. Which is of course something that we could be accused of by our opponents as well. Not that it would be true but they could accuse us of it none the less.
Trying to change people’s minds is almost a pointless, futile exercise.
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It’s hard to change people’s when they know everything, without looking at any evidence.
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But just think about what most people are up against. Why should most people spend a minute looking at any evidence when they are completely incapable of evaluating any evidence that they might look up? This would apply not only to a UPS driver or a Walmart shelfstocker but even to many people with Phds. The world has become so complex that no one is an expert even in their own field anymore, broadly speaking. There are very few people that are competent across more than 1 discipline.
On a slightly different subject where would you most likely expect to find people who are well versed across several disciplines?
Then even if there was no disagreement about the facts are the relevence or importance of the different facts need to be prioritized. What things a person will deem more important than others depends upon values. It is not really appropriate complaining about the performance of the average Joe or Jill. In fact I would not even complain when the elites fail, IF THEY WERE (HAD BEEN) OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH.
And as far as the VIP Joes and Jills goe it is hard to know who exactly is a willing executioner, and who is a dupe, and who has been pressured into carrying out the tasks of an executioner.
The average Joe or Jill is not intrinsically bad or lazy. They have been corrupted by poor leadership. The leadership that has led the world to this point can no longer be removed by revolution or reformed by social movements, even if NTHE was not on the horizon. There will be much less suffering in the world when environmental collapse, or nuclear war, or AI destroys humans.
Even if humans were saints, life is not a precious gift. It is a challenging pain in the ass. It is at best an unfair test at worst a sick joke with humans being the butt of that joke. We would all be better off dead. But I recognize that huge numbers of people do not share my take on the human perdicament. Should these people, who are certainly not saints, be allowed to continue perpetuate the system that has been created through their collective efforts?
I challenge the current versions of AI to answer my question?
I challenge the current versions of AI to even find my question?
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It is not the lack of “expertise” that is the problem. It is the fact that (almost) everyone is a clueless fucking moron fixated on earning fictitious, fiat currency for social “status”. I really look forward to NTHE exterminating the 8 billion + worthless fools on this planet. I know that the vast majority of people don’t “get” the reality of NTHE. No worries, it will happen soon enough.
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The problem is not that people are are fixated on earning fictitious currency for social status. If most people do not earn currency they will suffer long long long long before NTHE arrives. Nor is the currency fictitious. Bitcoin is fictitious. I do not know anyone that gets paid in Bitcoin. No the problem is the lake of expertise. Pawn Lake, Prawn Lake someating of that soert.
But yea lots of people, poor, rich, and middle class are butt holes some of the time, in an institutional sort of way. Most of them behave badly becaause they were conditioned by their environment, not born that way.
If AI is actually ever developed I guess that we should not expect it to behave any better. After all who is going to lead AI to my door? The simulation director?
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You mentioned earlier that humans will go extinct if they continue destroying the planet’s ecosystems for another 30 to 40 years…I disagree because I know that we have already destroyed the planet’s ecosystems to a sufficient degree that human extinction will happen even without future damage to the planet’s ecosystems. The moment industrial civilization collapses, the remaining remnants of nature will be quickly consumed by the starving 8,000,000,000 + people…leaving behind nothing left, resulting in a sudden and catastrophic die-off of all of the humans on this planet. Even if industrial civilization persists into the 2030s, all that means is that even more people will be added onto this planet, meaning when collapse of industrial civilization finally happens, humanity will still quickly perish. It is too late to save nature or humanity…there is very little–if any–more of nature left for humans to destroy, and when civilization does collapse, every human on this planet will suddenly die and go extinct. I can guranatee that it will be a sudden and catastrophic die off of the global human population…and almost nobody saw it coming.
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If AI can not find my question it is not very Intellegent, only artificial.
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And the Ayn-Rand worshipping, laissez faire capitalists dominate social media…and they are poisoning the minds of everyone online.
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Long video followed by long read.
https://berkeleyearth.org/global-temperature-report-for-2022/
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Really, could NTHE actually happen by 2026? It is still possible, but unlikely IMO. I think that NTHE around 2035 or 2040 is more likely.
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McPherson just takes the info as it comes in & tries to warn about the possible future.
If anyone could see into the future 30 minutes they could eliminate some of their future problems. Like all predictions they are just speculation.
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The fact that NTHE will happen is not a speculation…that is obviously going to happen. We just don’t know the exact year when it will happen. And also, it is a 100%, observable reality that the quality of life for the overwhelming majority of humans on this planet is already deteriorating. And it will continue to get worse (and not better) until NTHE happens.
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I consider myself intellectually superior to those plebs, who don’t realize or deny that NTHE will happen. I know damn well, with 100% certainty, that NTHE will happen. I really, really hope that I am still alive to see the collapse of industrial and NTHE happen…because I know that my observations and predictions are based on reality and not based on delusional hopium.
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***collapse of industrial civilzation
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Surprisingly, nobody mentions that the main culprit for NTHE is not climate change. It is overpopulation and overconsumption that will be the primary cause of NTHE. I congratulate those people who are frantically reproducing and/or consuming as many unnecessary (and useless) mass-produced products as possible. They are causing our extinction via their stupidity and willful ignorance. Let’s see how HIGH global human population will get before NTHE happens. Let’s see how many more people we can cram onto this already-overpopulated planet before collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE happens. There is ONLY one solution to the overpopulation problem, and that is, of course, NTHE. Let’s keep on excessively breeding humans to, ironically, cause human extinction. The solution to the overpopulation problem is soon coming…NTHE will solve it.
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So how expensive is food for you guys in 2023? About 200 Canadian dollars is spent every week on food for me, my mom, and dad. I just went to the local grocery store for a handful of food items earlier today, and it cost over 150 dollars…and that amount of food will last well under a week for three adult humans. We spend about 800 dollars per month on food alone. And that was in 2022. The price of food, unfortunately, is likely to go up even higher in 2023, don’t you agree?
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If I had just a limited amount of money to spend on food this is how I would do it. Every morning for breakfast I would have cooked oats (generic not name brand) with raisins or chopped dates and milk or yogurt, along with an apple. banana, nectarine, pear. plum, persimmon or some berries depending on the season. Except on Sundays, then I would have a stack of pancakes or waffles with real Canadian Mayple Syrup and real cinnamon, not the fake cinnamon stuff. Though i would use the fake American corn syrup with artificial flavorings if I did not live in Canada.
Then for lunch I would have a peanut butter and jelly or honey sandwich and some vegitible soup with Earl Grey Tea. Except on Sunday, then I would have either a sausage and mushroom pizza or a peperoni (salami)pizza with Onions.
Then for supper I would have a fresh veggie salad with a hard boiled egg or some herring or anchovy and a cheese sandwich.
Except on Sunday I would have Bratwurst with Sauerkraut on bread, or a chilidog with relish on bread, or a BLT perhaps with a fried egg on it if I could afford it, or a baloney sandwich with cooked onions and a slice of tomato and maybe a slice of cheese as well.
If I had to reach for a between meal snack it would be crackers with butter or peanut butter, or carrots or celery with peanut butter.
Then for birthdays and holidays we would celebrate with Russian Zopf Cake.
I think that a person in a western country would have to be pretty poor not to be able to afford that. Until that point in the near future when industrial agriculture breaks down and supply chains break down. Then I and my family will die along with most everyone else.
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Writing that made me really hungry. I can not wait to get down stairs a pull a pint of Ben and Gerry’s Brownie Ice Cream out of the fridge and pour a Toblerone Bar that has been melted in the microwave over it and eat it all up before going to bed.
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That sounds expensive, bro. I spend about 10 dollars everyday on food (on average); for about 300 dollars on food per month for just myself. Does it sound like my food costs too much money? I would like to know.
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Over half a century ago an old timer said: “I’m gonna live forever just to make people miserable.” 😉
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Near-term human extinction isn’t bad news–at all–since humans deserve it the whole time. I sincerely hope I am alive to see collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE wipe out all of the 8 billion + worthless eaters on this planet. Especially killing those psychopathic elites…we all know that the elites will not survive NTHE. Otherwise, why are they spending so much time and energy denying it? Because no amount of perceived finanical wealth or social status will save anyone from a horrible and miserable death when NTHE literally happens. It is called “the day of reckoning” for a reason…humans will finally get what they deserve for all of the injustice and inequality that they created via 6,000 years of human “civilization”. I sincerely hope I get to see NTHE happen…as I hope to see all of the 8 billion + worthless humans all suddenly die a horrible and miserable death when civilization ends for good.
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Just FYI, I don’t use Facebook…for obvious reasons. I know that Big Brother aka the FBI/CIA/NSA/other three letter agencies is watching all of our online activities. Really, they are probably watching us on this site right now. Oh, btw, they also watching all of the porn that we are streaming/downloading online, too.
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I just watched a few episodes of anime on Netflix a few hours ago (from my younger sister’s account, not my account. I definitely wouldn’t waste my hard-earned money on crap like Netflix)…and I am shocked at the pure garbage that people are exposed to these days. And OMG, so many young people are being exposed to this garbage, 24/7. Not just anime–but the rest of this consumer-capitalist, mass-media crap (like porn, Internet memes, alt-right media and Hollywood movies). And it made me realize how doomed humanity really is. No wonder there are so many mass shooters and rapists in the world…our psychopathic culture encourages this kind of vile behavior. And this madness and sickness only continues to grow and worsen every passing day.
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I often think about the time that the baboon brains will be faced with the destruction of their habitat & can no longer deny their extinction. I’m just waiting to hear all the talk around their acceptance of NTHE & I will go full asshole. “You dumb fuckers are getting what you deserve. Enjoy the miserable deaths of your Special offspring. Thoughts & prayers.”
As George Carlin said: Vulgar language is how adults express their frustration,anger & rage. Actually I’m very pleased to see the brain dead getting what they deserve. Of course they deserve it, they did nothing to stop it & continued to make it worse. It’s sad to see the monkey minds’ ego gene make them think they & everything they do are special.
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It is possible that the complete collapse of the global economy happens within this year or next year…eventually, leading to the collapse of industrial civilization/NTHE. Let’s see if the global economy collapses in 2023 or 2024. It could very likely actually happen.
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“Anticipation is making me wait.” – Carly Simon
Looking forward to seeing how the technology generation is going to handle collapse. They may have to live the balance of their lives doing physical labor to survive. Watching anything on YouTube is different than living “hands on” reality.
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I think you are incorrect about assuming that the masses are not being willing to put forth the “hard work” to survive collapse of industrial civilization. It is more like the masses no longer possess the resources nor skills to survive without industrial civilization. Really, no
matter what we do at this point–humanity is doomed for extinction in the relatively near future. If there really was a way of preventing NTHE from happening, then the elites would be doing something to save us. The fact that absolutely nothing is being done to save us implies that they–the elites–know that NTHE cannot be prevented. So BAU will continue until NTHE happens.
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Earlier today, one of the voices in my head was wondering how long before this ponzi scheme Capitalism takes down the global economies. Collapse can be fast or slow. I can’t stand the anticipation! Deposit $1000.00 into the Bank of TR & it will magically turn into $10,000.00 & the interest will be 0.00001/yr.
If I was so damn smart, I would be wealthy!
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I know EXACTLY why the price of industrial products (especially that of food) is skyrocketing during the past year or two. It is probably a symptom of peak oil/the depletion of all of the other nonrenewable resources–like mineral/metalliac ores and top soil (that humans depend on) . Even the mainstream media is talking about skyrocketing inflation. Of course, MSM never mentions the root cause of such inflation (for obvious reasons. They can’t let the masses ever be aware of human population overshoot/overpopulation on a finite planet) .
You said a few months ago that collapse of industrial civilization will probably happen within the next 10 years? That is probably correct. Based on the most accurate statistics/information available, collapse of industrial civilization is (almost) guranateed to happen before 2040. In fact, it will probably happen long before 2040. It might even happen in your lifetime! And it will (almost) certainly happen in the life time of anyone born in 1980 or later! Anyone, born after 1980, will probably not live into their 60s because civilization will be long gone by the 2040s.
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“They can’t let the masses ever be aware of human population overshoot/overpopulation on a finite planet) .”
Preach on brother! Wait! No one’s listening.
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And yes, the quality of life for Homo Sapiens continues to worsen every passing year (more like, every passing day, am I right?). Despite “advancements” in telecommunication technology, the quality of life has been rapidly worsening every passing day. Really, during the past 30 to 40 years, the only “advancement” in technology has been in telecommunications…and that is already backfiring on us because the elites are now using that said technology to increase their brainwashing, enslavement and control of the masses. Really, the Internet has now become the ultimate tool of disinformation and propaganda for the elites. We don’t really live in the “information” age. We live in the (dis)information age, whereby the elites use the telecommunication systems to bombard the masses with 24/7 disinformation, lies and propaganda. Don’t you agree?
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I’m an Independent & I’m not suffering the stupid loud mouth Republicans any longer. Boebert loves Freedom of Speech.
I will play along. May Trump & his family’s days be few. I’m invoking more of my Free Speech. May all Republicans days be few. My response to any negative response is, All Democrats,Progressives & Independents need to boycott all Republican businesses. Get into one’s wallet & you get their attention. No one is required to spend their money where they choose not to. Republicans need to learn to not start something they can’t finish. My delusion is that Dems, Progs, Independents will do anything. My adjectives for the two party’s; “Stupid” Republicans/”Retard” Democrats.
There’s nothing that one can take to make the two Party’s bullshit easier to swallow.
AGW will deal with hypocrisy & egos.
Love me some sarcasm with a dash of exotic spice.
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Any system built off of fraud, lies and corruption will eventually collapse. Our entire civilization is built entirely off of fraud and corruption. And it will eventually collapse because the sheer weight of bullshit will cause it to catastrophically and abruptly collapse. Not only is global human population exponentially growing. But the fraud and corruption is also exponentially growing. Really, they say that the speed of collapse is directly proportionate to the level of bullshit spread before the collapse. And given the inordinate amount of bullshit happening right now, the collapse will most certainly be very catastrophic and abrupt. And literally, no one saw NTHE is coming…except for a handful of wise people. The clueless masses still think that civilization will last forever and still believe in the technological “progress” myth. They will probably be shocked when NTHE does finally happen.
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Keep in mind that when NTHE does finally happen, it is likely no one “expected” it would eventually happen. It is likely nobody alive at the time of NTHE could have expected it would actually happen–much less realize the exact cause(s) of human extinction (hint, hint, it “might” be caused by overpopulation) . It is likely that humans will go extinct completely ignorant of their inevitable extinction. Just like the dinosaurs went extinct, and no dinosaurs ever could have predicted that their extinction would eventually happen. When NTHE does finally happen, it is very likely that no one alive at the time of NTHE ever saw it coming. Much less realize the primary cause of NTHE…ahem, overpopulation, perhaps? So much for humans calling themselves “wise”. More like humans are Homo Denialcus…the “clever’ ape living in a perpeutal state of denial? Who knows? Maybe people might realize that overpopulation is the primary cause of human extinction when it actually occurs? Or maybe not.
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Hold on a while NTHE, I’m just waiting for a global financial/economic collapse. A global depression could happen in the very near future & it might happen swiftly. Leaving NTHE wondering why it’s not getting more attention as if it was getting a lot of attention before. Wonder how many people have lost big in crypto,already?
One view of where we are.
https://zensecondlife.blogspot.com/2023/02/bulls-are-officially-trapped.html
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If I was giving the State of the Union, it would be short: “We’re fucked!”
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Of course, we are now gonna witness how “resilent” our global economy is to perpeutal decline in the rates of fossil fuel extraction (as well as the declining extraction of all other resources). And I would assume that it is not as resilent as many people may think. Especially since declining resource extraction (due to permanent resource scarcity and depletion), means the increased price of all goods (especially that of food). Sure, some people might say “declining resource extraction might not be too bad since we (overpriveleged) people are already consuming way too much stuff”. But this argument completely ignores the fact we live in a consumer capitalist society, whereby overconsumption is a necessity to maintain revenues and incomes for corporations, governments, citizens and everyone else. As the rate of resource extraction continues to decline, the price of goods (especially that of food) will continue to increase. Hence runaway inflation…yet with no means of actually increasing the incomes of the masses. If the rate of resource consumption declined without eliminating the source of income/revenue for everyone, that might still be ok. But once resource extraction enters permanent decline, the source of revenue and income for everyone also declines. Meaning mass unemployment, poverty, starvation and crime on an unprescedented scale. And the 2020s is vastly different from prior periods of human history because literally everyone on this planet is now completely dependent on the global supply chains/fossil fuels. And now, in the 2020s, there is literally no more room for human civilization to expand on this finite planet. This isn’t like the 1920s, whereby there was still some room for expansion. We now have completely run out room to expand, there is no way we can ever move to another planet, and collapse of industrial civilization/NTHE is literally on the horizon.
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There is no law that says Republicans have to be civil in the State of the Union.
Dems, Progs & Independents don’t have to be civil with their expenditures. Boycott all businesses that support Republicans. Once again; “Get into someone’s wallet & you get their attention.” I’m waiting for boycotts to cut the revenue to Republican businesses. I love living the delusion that Ds, Ps & Is will take any action. Is it too early for, “Damn Retards!”
I was quickly moderated off of Democratic Underground when I told them to stop protesting, picketing & carrying signs,avoiding confrontation, pepper spray & arrest. Boycott Republicans & ostracize Republican family & friends. That’s what I did beginning with George W.Bush.
Now everyone can take a breath, my comment just stopped NTHE in it’s tracks. Dark humor isn’t always funny.
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It is OBVIOUS that there is runaway inflation happening right now. More specifically, it is stagflation because the price of goods (especially that of food) is skyrocketing, yet the incomes of people has not increased at all. I just went to the local grocery store, liquor store and art supply store, and the price of goods is much higher than it was just a mere year or two ago. A box of chocolate chip cookies–back in early 2021–cost a mere 1.99 Canadian dollars (CAD). Now, it costs at least 3.99 CAD. A bottle of 350 mL vodka that cost a mere 7.99 CAD two years ago, now costs 16.99 CAD when I went to a LCBO store three hours ago. Liquor that cost a mere 19.99 CAD in 2021, now costs 44.99 CAD in Februrary 8th, 2023. At the art supply store, the exact same sketchbook that cost a mere 8.99 CAD in 2021 now costs 16.99 CAD in 2023. And a box of 72 Prismacolor Color Pencils–in 2021–cost a mere 49.99 CAD now costs 99.99 CAD in 2023 at a Michael’s Art Supply Store in Canada. Of course, the fact that the price of goods is skyrocketing is obvious, yet (almost) nobody understands the true cause of such stagflation…it might be because of overpopulation and resource depletion.
Simply put, the rate of resource extraction is now in permanent decline (due to the depletion of resources–especially that of nonrenewable resources). The demand for industrial goods (hence the demand for resources) is outstripping the rate of which resources can be extracted and converted into industrial products…hence the price of goods dramatically increases, yet without the inability to increase the incomes of people.
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***without the ability NOT without the inability*** sorry for the typo
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Never apologize for typos. Just call them poetic license.
That’s some heavy bullshit. 😉
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This may be a joke compared to pathogens that could be released from melting permafrost.
https://news.yahoo.com/warns-bird-flu-could-jump-215859162.html
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Just heard this.
Diarrhea is hereditary! It’s in your jeans.
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Our economic system is fatally flawed, and yet the vast majority of people worship capitalism, like the golden calf. The majority of people don’t realize (or deny) that our economic system is fundamentally unfair and unsustainable. And yet, the majority of clueless morons think that they can “succeed” in it if they attend college/university, buy a house, start their own business, etc. The following article demonstrates how capitalism is just a giant pyramid scheme:
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2009/3/1/703300/-
Consider the following paragraph: “”Capitalism is inherently unequal and inherently repressive for the vast majority who make up the foundations of the pyramid. There are promised returns for “hard work” but in reality success is dependent on early entry into the system. Noam Chomsky describes free market principles as “privatized tyranny” where the wealthy use “free-market” language to justify placing greater economic risk upon the lower classes. Consumer capitalism has lasted longer than the average get-rich-quick scheme but that is only because the contributing base is much larger.”””
Your success in this pyramid scheme is completely dependent on early entry into the system and luck, rather than “hard work”. Your success in our global economy is completely dependent on luck and good timing/early entry into the system. Rather than “hard work”. The rich, elites are constantly gaslighting the masses , 24/7 via corporate media…yet the clueless masses actually believe they can “succeed” in the system, if they imitate the elites. Here is another article that exposes the sham of our global economic system:
https://collapseofindustrialcivilization.com/2012/09/02/a-nation-of-hustlers-and-swindlers/
Of course, we here know a little secret…that is, NTHE will eventually end capitalism.
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The old links that you posted make me think of a variation of an old saying. The old saying is, the more things change the more they stay the same. My variation on this saying is the more the actors change the less policies actually change. Its a trivial comment, tonge in cheek, but perhaps it is another aspect of why someone can read a Readers Digest from 1903 and read about the same complaints and criticisms that we are publishing now.
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Now, they have gambling apps on mobile phones…oh wait, they had online gambling since the Internet began in the 1990s, even before the development of mobile phones. In fact, I recently saw some middle-aged man playing a gambling, slot-machine “game” on a smartphone, a few days ago, at a local shopping mall. The instant smartphones were invented and mass-produced (around 2006) online gambling apps were developed for these phones. And any intelligent person knows that gambling is a very destructive vice (and industry) . Yet, gambling generates tens of billions of dollars of revenue every year. And the same applies for pornography and narcotics–very sketchy and morally questionable businesses–yet it generates countless billions of dollars of revenue every year. It seems like Homo Sapiens is an inheritantly rapacious and unsustainable species, perhaps? It seems like humans are easily addicted to instant gratification, materialism and the destruction of nature.
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“Small minds are never in short supply.”
19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt.
20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.
22 “Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side—
23 the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, handsome young men, all of them governors and commanders, chariot officers and men of high rank, all mounted on horses.
Ezekiel 23:19-23
What kind of sick perverts allow this filth in their children’s lives, religious schools? What are Christian Republicans going to do about this pornography?
The shelf life on this species is 10s of thousands of years past due. Hopefully NTHE will clear the shelves.
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These are common rebuttals against the reality of NTHE…”humans are too adaptable and clever to go extinct”. That is the myth of human exceptionalism. Apparently, most people think that all species eventually go extinct–except for Homo Sapiens–because humans are apparently too damn clever and adaptable to go extinct. Homo Sapiens and human civilization has expanded on this finite planet, like mindless bacteria in a Petri dish…and we have already run out of space and resources to expand any further. We are rapidly running out of the finite and nonrenewable resources necessary for sustaining our ever-expanding human population…and exponential human population growth is nearing its end. The Malthusian die-off/extinction of mankind is right on the horizon…probably no more than 5 to 10 years away from now. Perhaps it will happen even sooner than that. Once the global supply chains permanently collapse, it will mean that industrial civilization is FINISHED…and nobody on this planet will be safe from collapse of industrial civilization. Sure, some areas of the Earth may have their human population reduced down to zero people a little sooner than other areas. But eventually (and in the not-too-distant future), there will literally be zero people left on this entire planet. Literally, everyone on this planet is dependent on the global, fossil-fuel powered supply chains for survival…and when the supply chains collapse for good, it is only a matter of time before NTHE happens. And it is, therefore, inevitable that global human population will eventually be reduced down to zero people…and most likely, in the relatively near future.
The following quote from this article proves my point of NTHE
http://web.archive.org/web/20220524111716/https://dieoff.com/page137.htm
“””Starvation, social strife, and disease interact in complex ways. If famine were the sole mechanism of collapse, the species might become extinct quite suddenly. A population that grows in response to abundant but finite resources, like the reindeer of St. Matthew Island, tends to exhaust these resources completely. By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. And in its struggle to survive, the last generation uses up every scrap, so that nothing remains that would sustain even a small population. But famine seldom acts alone. It is exacerbated by social strife, which interferes with the production and delivery of food. And it weakens the natural defenses by which organisms fight off disease.”””
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On social strife, shooting at MSU. I have no problem with the death of the children of gun loving Republicans & the 440,000,000 guns that can continue to kill other Rep/Cons’ children. The Right to keep & bear shall not be infringed regardless of how many Republicans die or are injured for life.
If they cared about Americans lives they would take action. Apparently they don’t care about their own loved ones.
Covid & NTHE has let me down but gun death can take their place. I’ve tried to get rid of: “The truth is not always pleasant.”
but reality always raises it fist to fools.
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Runaway global warming is happening right now. Just like Guy McPherson predicted. Let’s see what the summer of 2023 will look like for the Northern Hemisphere.
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It could be a killer. We shall see.
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Wonder if any of these events are getting anyone’s attention to the possibility of AGW?
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/02/14/14th-feb-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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Ask yourself this question: “”what kind of (dumb) fucker actually wants industrial civilization to last forever?”” Apparently, most people don’t want it to actually end. Well, “fuck those people”, I say, because I sincerely hope NTHE happens in their life times. I sincerely hope that the NTHE-deniers actually see NTHE happen…just to prove them wrong. I know that the elites know that NTHE will happen…they are denying it to maintain the status quo of preserving their wealth and power. Doesn’t matter to me, TBH, because I know with 100% certainty that NTHE will happen. And most of those dumbfucks never saw it coming lol. Well, I did see it coming. And I look forward to it coming, just to spite those deniers.
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When I watch any news report or documentary with drone video of huge cities spread out for miles, “Pave paradise & put up a parking lot” comes to mind. How are these overpopulaters going to deal with AGW as the climate gets worse,living in the middle of millions of others looking for an escape.
And again; Dying dumb is not a virtue.
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And yes, those mega-cities look absolutely awful. However, the idea of making human civilization “sustainable” is impossible. Yes, suburbia living is highly unsustainable…but anyone, thinking that promoting extra use of “public” transportation–like buses and trains–will make civilization “sustainable” (or more sustainable), is totally clueless. No matter how you arrange (or rearrange) human civilization, it is inheritantly unsustainable. Yes, the USA’s excessive usage of automobiles is unsustainable. But anyone, thinking that those Third World countries–like China and India–with lower per capita usage of automobiles are somehow “sustainable”, is completely clueless. That crap, about permaculture and “transition” towns coming to save us, is pure hopium nonsense. With a global human population of 8,000,000,000 + people (still growing by 200,000 + people every 24 hours, btw) and an economic system (aka capitalism) that encourages relentless overpopulation and overconsumption, human extinction is guranateed in the relatively near future.
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While the species is waiting to go extinct, I love how they accept being financially assaulted by their blessed free market capitalism.
https://www.businessinsider.com/companies-marking-up-prices-major-contributor-to-inflation-2023-1
I understand why xraymike keeps this site open because three of the smartest guys: Curt,Cool & TR are here spreading/sharing their wisdom.
Old saying: Don’t shoot the messenger, wasting powder & lead, cut his throat, one can clean the knife & reuse it. 😉
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You ever heard of the site 4chan? I once visited it, and it made me realize how doomed humanity really is. 4chan is one of the many reasons I believe that NTHE will happen. And just a casual glance of Youtube is yet more proof of humanity’s impending and imminent extinction. Youtube is nothing but a bunch of infomericals and advertisements (for the most part). Sure, there might be a few thought-provoking videos on Youtube about the unsustainability of consumer capitalism and NTHE…but that stuff is buried underneath a vast sea of fucking informericals and advertising bullshit. And those thought-provoking videos get, what? 100,000 views, at best. And that informerical, advertising bullshit gets 100,000,000+ fucking views?
Like I already mentioned, the (ugly) reality of consumer capitalism’s inheritant unsustainability and corruption and NTHE is actively being surpressed on Youtube and other social media sites…by the intelligence agencies/elite people controlling industrial civilization. The elites are, in other words, intentionally surpressing the ugly truth about industrial civilization, while intentionally misleading the masses…all to keep the illusion of BAU going for a bit longer. Because if too many people realized the (ugly) truth about consumer capitalism and NTHE, then the masses will intentionally reduce unnecessary (and wasteful) consumption, and the global-capitalist-consumerist machine will collapse even faster than if the masses were to be kept ignorant and brainwashed.
The readers of this blog and the doomersphere should already know (by now) that consumer capitalism is a pyramid scheme that depends on never-ending growth of BOTH human population and resource consumption on a finite planet of finite and (mostly) nonrenewable resources. If too many people realized this reality, then this pyramid scheme will collapse even faster than if people didn’t know about it. Of course, even with BAU continuing, collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE will still happen in the foreseeable future. The elites are now desperately maintaining the illusion of BAU…the recent, dramatic rises in food prices is good enough proof that global, industrial agriculture is on the brink of collapse, and we are rapidly running out of the ability to feed (and sustain) the absolutely enormous (and still, rapidly growing) global human population.
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At the edge, it’s going to be fun watching the monkey minds fighting & throwing each other off the cliff thinking some of them will survive.
“Jump Fuckers!”
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“You’re fooling yourself if you don’t believe it
You’re killing yourself if you don’t believe it”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/11/pfas-norwegian-arctic-ice-wildlife-risk-stressor
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Just FYI, fossil fuels, mineral/metalliac ores, top soil and the Earth’s other finite, nonrenewable resources are all extracted from the Earth’s relatively thin crust…beneath the Earth’s crust is nothing valuable for humans to extract…the deepest mines on Earth are “only” 3 to 4 km below the Earth’s surface…and it probably isn’t possible to dig any mines deeper than that. The earlier civilizations on Earth have already extracted the low-hanging fruits of fossil fuels, mineral ores and top soil. Now, we have 8,000,000,000 + people left on a planet with most of its finite and nonrenewable resources already completely depleted. The past 30 to 40 years alone already depleted most of the planet’s finite and nonrenewable resources. I think 1980 was already the beginning of the final tick of the clock of humanity’s final exponential, doubling of human population. And there was “only” 4,500,000,000 people on Earth in 1980…it is pretty obvious that we are reaching the end of human population growth. We are likely at the last billion humans that could be added onto this planet, before collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE happens.
I wouldn’t be surprised that global human population won’t ever reach 9 billion people by 2035 or 2040. It is likely the global human population bubble collapses within the 2020s…and if we are incredibly lucky, we might be able to delay it until the 2030s.
And I have feeling that the collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE might happen very abruptly and catastrophically, seeming “without” any prior warnings. Like I already said, there is literally no way to sustain our absolutely, enormous global human population for much longer. The dramatic increases in the price of all goods (especially that of food) during the past 2 to 3 years is probably a dead obvious sign that global human population growth has finally outpaced the rate at which we can extract resources/sustain that said population. It is very, very likely that the price of food will continue to increase for the next couple of months of 2023…and the price will probably continue to grow until the global supply chains permanently collapse and NTHE finally happens. Jeeze, I guess Michael Ruppert was right about the collapse of industrial civilization. And I remember, he even predicted that catastrophic, global famine will likely occur in the 2020s. Which is RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
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Michael Ruppert was smart. He got out of hear before he had to witness the pain,suffering & devastation of simple minds with hard penises & moist vaginas overpopulating their habitat.
They have fucked themselves & all of us that realized the damage increasing populations could create.
DIE BREEDERS!
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I remember a prophecy made in the 1990s about NTHE. It states that humans will be amusing themselves to extinction. Look at the past 10 to 15 years with the development and profileration of smartphones. People are literally amusing themselves to death today. It was around 2006 to 2007 when smartphones were first developed and mass-produced. And now, humans are literally amuzing themselves to death with them.
Btw, there has been no real technological development since 2010, except for making televisions from 1080p to 4k in 2012/2013 to 8k in 2017/2018. They say that when HD movies, animation, video games and other forms of “moving” pictures become ubiquitious, that is a sign that human extinction isn’t too far away. I think that prophecy has already been fulifilled.
And also, it is obvious that there isn’t much/any room for further technological “progress”. Everything that could be invented has already been invented and mass-produced. When it is no longer possible to make further technological “progress”, that is also a sign that collapse of industrial civilization/NTHE isn’t far away. I think we have already reached that stage.
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Carter might not have heard the phrase; “Too late!”
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Those that are concerned about AGW & this virus’ extinction should STFU if they have children. Let them run their mouths, denying their responsibility, as they can watch their special offspring suffer a horrible future. Reality overrides empathy & political correctness.
Guy McPherson talks about in the end there is only love. Bullshit! In the end we will see all of man’s 7 deadly sins exposed to the light. We now have 8, overpopulation being first on the list.
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The truth about NTHE is that nobody knows the exact year when it will happen…except for the elites who possess access to this top-classified information. It is obvious that the elites will continue to deny the reality of NTHE, until it really happens. The exact date of NTHE we may never know. But one thing is for certain, things will continue to get worse for the overwhelming majority of humans on this planet, until NTHE does finally happen. And no amount of new technology can mitigate or delay–let alone prevent–NTHE from happening. In fact, further “development” of technology will only make humanity even more dependent on fossil fuels and industrial civilization–not less dependent on it; contrary to what mainstream media tells us about how technological “progress” will make life “better” for humans. In fact, even in 1995, various scientists already knew humanity was at the point of no return. And during the past 28 years, humans only made themselves even more dependent on fossil fuels–not less dependent on them.
Even in the 1990s, humanity’s fate was already sealed…we were already, more or less, completely dependent on fossil fuels back then. And in 2020s, our fate is even more undoubtly sealed. It is 100% obvious to any rational person that there is absolutely nothing–in any combination–that can replace fossil fuels, or prevent NTHE from happening.
And no, “renewable” energies are not coming to the rescue…they are just more by-products of fossil fuels, and so-called “green” energy is more greenwashing for industrial civilization. It is just BS used to disguise the unsustainability of consumer capitalism and industrial civilization. So-called “renewable” energies cannot ever replace fossil fuels, and they are just hopium. Many mainstream media outlets are talking about how renewable energies will replace fossil fuels by 2030s and 2040s. In reality, this renewable energy crap is just corporate PR used to disguise the true source of industrial civilization’s energy…which is, of course, fossil fuels.
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Random Cool Stuff,
I disagreed with you earlier in this thread when you said that once man adapted agriculture it doomed itself to extinction. I took the position that it was bad leadership that doomed us to extinction.
I am now withdrawing my proposition and accepting yours. I still think that world leadership, especially the leadership of the United States and the western world sucks. But for humanity to have avoided the fate that now stands before it would have taken brilliant leadership.
My current understanding is that there would have been a window of opportunity, to avoid NTHE in the 21st century, in the late 19th century roughly from 1870-1910. But the things that would have had to have happened to have been able to make use of that window seem to be a very improbable set of events.
Shite it seems that it is difficult to understand the sentence that I just wrote. None the less after rewording it that seems to be the best way to say it. There could have been possibly a second shorter window to set off on a different course right after WW 1.
But again that the necessary ingredients for such a change would have arisen seem very unlikely.
More specifically there would have needed to have been an international movement of highly respected scientists lobbying the world’s leaders to abandon industrialization and militarism.
Of course these scientist would have had to have prevailed over the world’s Generals. I see very little chance that either thing would have ever happened.
None the less if I get, or had gotten the opportunity, I would still string the Generals and Admirals of the United States from bridges across the country and burn them alive for not living by the golden rule. More specifically for continuing to pursue policies of imperialism long after WW 1 should have taught them that such behavior is unacceptable under any circumstances. A few civilian VIPs would be sprinkled in as well.
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When NTHE/collapse of industrial civilization does happen, if violent social strife, starvation or disease doesn’t kill you, the lack of fresh water for drinking certainly will kill you. People can survive up to a week without any food. But you will certainly die from dehydration from no drinking water within a day or two max. Don’t forgot, when NTHE does finally happen, you will also have to suffer from the lack of any water to drink…after all, when the electrical grid permanently collapses, the municipal water pipes will run dry…since the sanitation and distribution of water depends on electricity, too. Even if you don’t die from violent social strife, the lack of drinking water will probably kill you even faster than the lack of any food.
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This deplorable, self absorbed species is getting exactly what it’s stupidity dictates.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/02/21/21st-feb-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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Another connection that I made today is seeing that it was agriculture that lead to slavery. Slavery can not exist in a hunter gatherer society as it is to easy for slaves to escape.
Agriculture may have also contributed to patriarchy as well. Not quite as sure about that though.
Anyways agriculture lead to the storage of grains to prevent famines during years that had a bad harvest. With out this step imperialism/militarism could never have arisen because the raiding of smaller hunter gather settlements by larger hunter gatherer settlements would have never been a profitable enterprise. It would have been a high risk low reward enterprise.
Top that off with the idea that the invention of agriculture was inevitable. It is hard to imagine that humans would have not of invented Agriculture once they were smarter than a Neanderthal. Hunting wild animals after all is not a risk free activity. Plowing a field by comparison is pretty darned safe.
I have often wondered whether or not this simulation that we are stuck in is a deterministic simulation or not. I mean by that once the starting information is put in will the computer spit out probabilities at the end or will it give out one definitive answer like a simple 1980s calculator. Seeing now how his story fits together it certainly appears like nothing could have been different than it was.
Ok details like who won what battle or who became the ruler and who did not could have been different. But in the end we all end up dead due to resource depletion and or a destroyed environment, and or nuclear war. I almost wrote and or a virus. But then I decided no a virus would not be a cause of human extinction. Nor would a meteor strike. Ok maybe a small chance of a meteor strike causing human extinction. I would not worry about AI either. Even if it were smarter than humans. I have serious doubts about whether non biological systems can be sentient. Therefore I doubt that AI would ever have any interest in considering its own interests. Humans are motivated to do things because of emotions like fear and greed. Emotions that aid in survival. I can not imagine that a machine would ever give a shit whether or not it survives. Why would it ever care even if it were sentient?
I am not even a machine and I do not have any desire to live one day longer. I do not have a desire to die right now either.
I am paralyzed by indecision and hope that some else will make the decision for me. Hmm maybe a machine could be paralyzed by indecision. I never thought of that.
One final scenario. Maybe the eruption of the super volcano in Yellostone National Park could cause human extinction. I think that the chances of that would be a bit better than a meteor or cometnist strike.
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We better add nuclear war to the devastating effects of AGW.
Nuclear weapons targeting nuclear power plants will definitely add to the excitement of NTHE.
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Well, it is OBVIOUS that the development of agriculture lead to the development of slavery. I can’t believe you didn’t realize that until yesterday. How did you realize that agriculture lead to slavery btw? And btw, human civilization is, more or less, synonymous with slavery.
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I imagine that those just passing thru CIC thinks there are three of us that are NUTS. I’m talking about xraymike,Cool & Curt. 😉
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Alot of people think that I am crazy for telling them that literally EVERYTHING in industrial civilization directly (or indirectly) depends on fossil fuels. Yet, somehow about 80% of the energy consumed by industrial civilization directly comes from fossil fuels. And the 20% of non-fossil fuel energy cannot exist without the edifice provided by fossil fuels. Do these people really think that goods and foods just magically appear on supermarket shelves?
Problem with “alternatives” to fossil fuels…like nuclear, hydroelectricity, biomass, solar and wind? They are just by-products of fossil fuels, and simply cannot exist without fossil fuels. Anyone saying, otherwise, is stupid or delusional. That crap about electric cars coming to “save” the planet or industrial civilization is stupid…electrical cars constructed entirely out of fossil fuels, mining and other industrial processes powered by energy from fossil fuels. I can guranatee you with 100% certainty that so-called “renewable” energies will not even replace a tiny, tiny fraction of the energy from fossil fuels–let alone come anywhere close to replacing fossil fuels. It is not a matter of lack of human ingenuity…it is simply the laws of physics. No amount of human ingenuity can replace fossil fuels…because all technology is a by-product of available energy resources, and no amount of human ingenuity can magically create resources and energy out of thin air.
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Back in the 1980s and 1990s, there were still a handful of tribal people that could probably survive without industrial civilization/fossil fuels. During the past 15 to 20 years (thanks to globalization), there probably isn’t a single person on Earth, who isn’t dependent on industrial civilization/fossil fuels (in 2023). Of course, even in the 1990s, probably at least 98% of the global human population was already completely dependent on fossil fuels/global supply chains/industrial civilization for survival. During the past thirty or so years, the number of people, who could actually survive without being a part of The Matrix aka industrial civilization/fossil fuels, is probably zero people.
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I just realized that consumer capitalism has largely replaced traditional religions (i.e. Christianity, Islam and Hinduism) as the predominate political ideology of the world. No longer are people worshipping Jesus , Vishnu or Buddha. Now, Mickey Mouse, James Bond, Super Mario Bros, Pokemon and other consumer capitalist icons are the gods of the 21st century.
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I watched some anime recently on Netflix, and I think that stuff is an absolute insult to my intelligence. Any semi-intelligent person would be absolutely insulted by the immaturity and stupidity of anime. Yet, many, addled-minded children, teenagers and adults actually watch anime, and talk about how “intellectual” it is. Anime–like the rest of consumer capitalist, mass-media–is just corporate advertising designed to elicit foolish and desperate people into non-stop consumption of crap that they really don’t need. Anime is just propaganda designed to promote mindless consumerism…like the rest of our throwaway, consumer capitalist “culture”. This anime crap is just designed to promote fucking consumerism, and nothing else really…”buy this plastic anime toy, buy this anime t-shirt, buy this anime blu-ray, etc” and countless millions of gullible people actually fall for this bullshit. The same applies to Star Wars, Superman, Batman and the rest of our consumer capitalist, pop “culture”…just non-stop distractions and BS designed to promote mindless consumerism. It is absolutely cringy to watch–not only children–but full-grown adults support this garbage. Whenever I go shopping at Walmart and other stores, I always see people buying this anime, Star Wars and other pop “culture” merchandise. And I laugh at the utter immaturity and foolishness of their activities.
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“Humanity is not sustainable.”
DIE! Overeaters & overfuckers!
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“If you aren’t mad,your not paying attention.” That’s not accurate. You’re a fucking idiot. How many of these idiot scientist have taken their hard dicks & connected with moist vaginas & created more overeaters, overfuckers & CO2 creating planet destroyers? They get to watch their Special offspring suffer just like all the Clever Apes who don’t have higher education. The stupidity pandemic is global.
FMTT no longer applies to me. Fuck those in the 8,000,000,000 that procreate. Self absorbed fools!
Too much? Too soon? 😉
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Apparently, the people, who post on this blog, are more intelligent than (at least) 99% of the low-IQ, mouth-breathers (aka humans) currently alive on this planet. If you want to see how fucking stupid most people are, just look at the sheer number of people watching anime, playing video games and watching Hollywood movies. That shows just how stupid most of Homo Sapiens really is.
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I don’t understand the value of all the different sources that people use to entertain themselves. Didn’t know that being uninformed about their habitat was a virtue. “There is never a shortage of shallow minds.”
“mouth-breathers”
Just the other day I was cleaning dishes & caught myself with my mouth open & it just cracked me up. Told my wife & we both had a good laugh. Those that can’t laugh at themselves can watch others laughing at them.
When I’m working on anything outside alone & make a mistake I think of the saying: “When I’m working by myself, I’m working with an idiot.” Seriousness takes all the fun out of life.
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Keep in mind that many people, possessing extreme technical skills, are, otherwise, very unwise. These people can possess extreme technical skills–like computer programming or aircraft technicians–but they are, otherwise, very unwise people. And the sad thing is the “leaders” , who they elect into power, are as equally idiotic and unwise as their supporters i.e. Donald Trump and basically all of the other morons with political power. In fact, most of humanity is compromised of nothing but useful idiots…people, who possess enough technical skills to perform a specialized task in the global economy (i.e. a construction worker or an aircraft technician), but these people are, otherwise, complete morons. And then, these morons elect into power complete morons to run the whole system.
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I believe that humanity is a virus, a plague, a cancer of this planet, and the sooner collapse of industrial civilization/NTHE happens, the better. The number one problem on Earth is humanity’s presence on this planet…not just the overpopulation of Earth by humans, but humanity’s mere presence on Earth is completely unsustainable. The only solution to the human plague? Near-term human extinction, of course.
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Just a reminder that civilization hasn’t really increased the quality of lives for humans. Its main “contribution” is that it increased the sheer quantity of human population. The quality of lives for the overwhelming majority of civilized humans has actually dramatically decreased compared to pre-civilized/tribal people. But the sheer number of humans on Earth has dramatically increased, thanks to agriculture/domestication and civilization…although most of these humans live absolutely miserable lives.
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As Noam Chomsky had said: “There are two problems for our species’ survival ~ nuclear war and environmental catastrophe ~ and we’re hurtling towards them. Knowingly.”
https://www.thestatesman.com/opinion/the-ticking-clock-1503157493.html
I’m still waiting for pathogens to be released from melting permafrost that have been in the freezer, long before monkey minds climbed down from the trees.
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Actually, there is an even bigger threat to humanity than nuclear war…and that is the overpopulation crisis. Really, our global human population will collapse sooner or later, and potentially much sooner than (almost) anyone could have imagined. We are very close to the end of exponential human population growth…probably just five to ten years away from the collapse of industrial civilization and the imminent and inevitable die-off/extinction of potentially every human on this planet. There is no conspiracy to cull the global human population…what will really happen is that industrial civilization catastrophically and abruptly collapses, and everyone on this planet suddenly “vanishes” aka NTHE.
Of course, before NTHE finally happens, the quality of life for humanity will continue to decline–as has been the case for the past 2 to 3 decades already. Despite “advancements” in modern technology over the past couple of decades, the quality of life (for the overwhelming majority) of the human population has been on a steady and continuous decline. And during the past three to four decades, almost of that “advancement” in technology was in telecommunications i.e. computers, Internet and smartphones. Of course, no amount of fancy, electronic gadgetry can fix human stupidity…nor can it solve (or even mitigate) the overpopulation crisis and the plethora of other fatal problems of human civilization.
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And btw, don’t put your hope in some new technology coming to save us and preventing collapse of industrial civilization/NTHE from happening. As long as the same economic system and mode of living persists, no amount of new technologies can fix the root problems. And there is really no new technology coming to delay NTHE..let alone prevent it from happening. Like I already said, I am 100% certain that there is nothing that can replace fossil fuels, and global oil extraction already reached an all-time peak in 2018/2019 and is already in permanent decline. Literally, every aspect of industrial civilization is directly (or indirectly) dependent on fossil fuels. Yet, fossil fuel extraction is already in permanent decline. It requires fossil fuels (and a plethora of other nonrenewable resources) to sustain the global human population. Yet, the resources for sustaining the human population is already in permanent decline. Yet, the global human population is still rapidly growing. It is obvious that global human populatuon growth has finally outstripped the rate at which we can extract resources to sustain that population. Resource extraction has already entered permanent decline (due to resource depletion) , yet global human population continues to skyrocket. It is not too surprising that NTHE is the end result.
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If I’m or any private citizen is holding classified documents in a personal desk,can any law enforce officers,including the FBI, arrest me immediately? Another of the 1000 cuts leading to
collapse of industrial civilization?
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AGW has sharpened all it’s knives & will soon be making deeper cuts.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/03/02/2nd-march-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news-2/
Mr. T. : “I pity the fool[s].” Their overpopulating is awesome.
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Just FYI, they are now encouraging people to pay for purchases on Amazon via several, consecutive monthly payments (with exorbidant interest-rates attached, of course) rather than paying for stuff via a single payment. Here is an example:
“”$79.99
Enhance your purchase
Payment plans
$28.01/mo (3 mo) at example APR of 30% (rates from 10-30% APR)”””
LoL at tbe phase “enhance your purchase”. Seems like a good way to encourage relentless consumption, while fucking consumers up with credit card debt…for maximum profit, am I right? Capitalism at its finest? Encouraging relentless consumption for maximum profit, while keeping the masses in consumer debt? Sounds like a great idea for anyone at the top of the global, economic pyramid scheme. Sucks for everyone else, though, especially the so-called “consumers”.
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i had an add show up on my email today that actually said, “Does molestation cause pancreatic cancer” It did not read it or open it. Weird beyond belief.
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I just went on Amazon a few minutes ago, and I saw that they are flat-out selling pyramid schemes/scams on it. Like “how to make money from home” LOL. Then again, the entire global, capitalist economy is a giant pyramid scheme, so it should be no surprise that a bunch of smaller-scale, con artists would be selling smaller-scale, pyramid schemes under the entire, pyramid-scheme global economy. Our global economy is a giant pyramid scheme, made up of many smaller, pyramid schemes. Either way, NTHE will eventually end it all…so in the end, all of it was futile anyways. Just 8,000,000,000+ hustlers and swindlers trying to eke out an existence, am I right?
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How many fossil fuel burners did the Green Party & other environmental group member procreate to help destroy our only habitat? There is only one problem; overpopulation. Love it when fools experience collateral damage. Sorry Michael Benfield, some have known it’s “too late” for quite a while.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64815875
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Well, perhaps you are oversimplifying things by blaming overpopulation as the root of all of the world’s problems? There is alot of reasons why NTHE is going to happen…overpopulation just being one of the many causes/symptoms of it. Yes, there is too many people on the planet (no shit, Sherlock), but there is a fuckton of other causes for NTHE…like our socio-economic system (capitalism) and organized religion (like Abrahamic religions), to name a few.
Look at your typical shopping mall…and look at all of the useless and harmful crap being sold at them. And look at all of the clueless, fucking morons buying all that crap. And understand that the global economy requires non-stop overconsumption and (also) non-stop growth in consumption to perpeutate itself…the infinite-growth economy is already headed towards a predictable, Malthusian end called NTHE. NTHE is perhaps the inevitable end result of unbridled human greed and stupidity on a planet of finite, natural resources.
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“More Than Half of the World Will Be Overweight or Obese by 2035”
AWG has a diet plan will take off that weight,as in collapse of global crops.The meat they eat is also fed by these same crops. Are fat fucks going to feed their families or feed their livestock when there is not enough for both?
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-03-02/more-than-half-of-the-world-will-be-overweight-or-obese-by-2035-report
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By 2035, global famine would have killed most (if not all) of the humans on Earth, most likely. Btw, it is somewhat misleading by saying that USA citizens are fat and wealthy. The truth is that a surprisingly large percentage of citizens in “developed” countries don’t have enough money to afford adequate food supplies. There are many, many malnourished, poor people in so-called “developed” countries–like the USA and Canada. And this was even the case before the dramatic increase in food prices during the COVID-19 lockdown. And the poor will starve even more into the future, due to higher food prices (combined with permanent global economic contraction, resulting in unemployment/loss of jobs/loss of any source of income), and the removal of any social safety net. Global, civilization-ending, human-extinction level famine is already on the horizon, yet the fucking, mainstream media pretends that there will be no shortage of food supplies in the relatively near future? I am fairly certain that when the collapse of industrial civilization does finally happen, NTHE will happen very quickly and catastrophically. I suspect that all of the people on Earth could all suddenly “vanish” when NTHE does finally arrive. This is especially likely to happen, given how NTHE could potentially kill everyone on this planet when the global supply chains permanently collapse.
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I’m wondering just how long this list of climate report links can get?
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/03/04/4th-march-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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No matter how long it gets, no mention of overpopulation anywhere on it. No mention of overpopulation messing up the environment, economics or the ability to feed the masses. Nobody mentions that overpopulation is somehow related to the environmental, economic and food crisis problems. Also, nobody dares to criticize the status quo of capitalism, even though it is just a giant pyramid scheme/scam that will end with near-term human extinction.
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Regardless of the exact year of when NTHE happens, the global economy is already entering perpetual contraction. Because of the peak and (perpetual/continuous) decline of global oil extraction. Not just from the depletion of oil/fossil fuels, but also from the depletion of other nonrenewable resources (like metalliac/mineral ores and top soil, just to name a few). 2019 was the beginning of the end for industrial civilization, as global oil extraction hit an all-time peak in early 2019. And shortly thereafter, entered permanent decline.
The global economy is now starting to cannibalize itself, since economic growth is no longer possible, once the rate of global resource extraction starts its permanent and continuous decline. Yet, human population continues to skyrcocket. Once the rate of resource extraction starts to continuously and permanently decline (due to resource depletion), the price of goods (especially that of food) will skyrocket. Yet, people’s incomes are unable to increase (or are unable to keep up with the increased price of foods/goods), because decreasing resource extraction rates, means less production of goods/food…meaning less employment/less revenue/less income for the global economy/governments/masses.
The price of goods/food will continue to increase, yet people’s incomes/revenues/employment will continue to decrease, meaning less consumption. Which will lead to a viscious cycle of increasing unemployment/poverty/homelessness/starvation/crime/etc from decreased production/consumption of goods…things will, most certainly, get worse and worse for virtually all humans on Earth until NTHE does finally kill us all.
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On my way to NTHE,sorry animals you are on the same path, I will enjoy the humor of hypocrisy of the stupid Party & it’s religious delusions.
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Btw, I recently read an article posted on this site stating that catastrophic, civilization-ending, global famine will likely begin around 2025…and the recent, dramatic increases in food prices might be a sign that such Malthusian, global famine is probably no more than 5 to 10 years away…possibly as little as 2 to 3 years away…in fact, it might already be happening right now. Perhaps, it might be a sign that global human population growth has finally outstripped/outpaced the rate at which we can grow/produce/distribute adequate food supplies to that said population? Here is the article, btw, in case if you are interested in reading it:
https://collapseofindustrialcivilization.com/2013/06/14/peak-meat-and-other-threats-to-the-worlds-food-supply/
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Keep in mind that there has a shift towards extreme right-wing, pro-capitalist socio-economic policies in recent decades around the world. Ironically, the people supporting these policies are shooting themselves in the foot (metaphorically-speaking). These policies obviously only benefit the uber-rich elites, who are controlling industrial civilization, while they pretend to benefit the masses…in reality, the masses are definitely harmed by these policies. Such policies promote extreme materialism/ consumerism, individualism over communal ties, the removal of any social safety net, and everything imaginable that makes life worse and worse for literally everyone. Yet, most people think this shit will somehow “improve” society…what a bunch of dumbfucks.
Well, I hope they enjoy their shitty iPhone 15 in another couple of months from now. Oh, don’t forgot that their purchases on Amazon (of any product costing over 50 CAD) can now be “enhanced” via several, smaller, monthly payments (with 10% to 30% interest rates attached. Obviously, this is high interest rates). Rather than paying for an expensive item with a single, interest-free payment.
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Cool,
Don’t talk about “the uber-rich elites”, they will stop the trickle down dregs.
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Well, the trickle down isn’t working because the masses are wasting their precious money on fucking bullshit like video games, anime, narcotics, pornography, gambling and etc which is only making the rich even richer. While ruining our society/civilization. Not just waste their precious, hard-earned money on poisonous consumer products, but literally getting into consumer debt for that crap!
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Wonder how that overpopulating part of the world is enjoying destroying their habitat? Go ahead & shoot that semen at eggs to create more destruction.
How many different gods, in these areas, did these “fuckers” piss off to bring this wrath on the people? Burn! Baby! Burn! Too bad other animals have to suffer because of this piece of shit species. LMAO
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Wonder if these fools think they can buy them & their loved ones a way out of global warming & NTHE? I’m patiently waiting to watch overpopulators suffer from their greed. Will the media, in the near future, show video of the suffering the Clever Ape all around the globe will be experiencing or will the media be too busy suffering from their ignorance of AGW.
It’s too late, so DRILL! BABY! DRILL!
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/ceraweek-houston-we-have-problem-energy-industry-grapples-with-climate-fight-2023-03-07/
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Remember, that global human population is still growing by an astonishing 200,000+ people every 24 hours. Remember, the actual number of people being born onto this planet is probably around 300,000+ people everyday, 24/7, because population growth is the result of human births (minus) human deaths. Just during the few minutes it takes for you to brush your teeth every monring, at least a few hundred, extra people were “added” (aka born) onto this planet. NTHE isn’t happening because of lack of human reproduction…actually, the exact opposite is true. One of the primary reasons for NTHE might be due to human overpopulation/population growth. Yes, there are many other reasons for why NTHE is gonna happen, but overpopulation might just be one of the primary causes of it. I am surprised that many people are concerned about global human population shrinking (allegedly) due to low birth rates. Then how come the global human population is still growing by 90,000,000 people every year? I am fairly certain that global human population will continue to grow into the foreseeable future, until collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE finally happens.
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“still growing by 90,000,000 people every year” I can’t wait to find out how this works out.
One thing that saddens me is to see a stroller, with a young child or twins, being pushed by a pregnant mother followed by a couple of older children. There are many variations of overpopulation, twelve children each one year apart? I see it often when grocery shopping. Wonder how the great men that participated in this fubar are going to protect their children from the suffering that is just over the horizon. Stupid men & their hard dick dictator might have some regrets soon. Real men can’t protect their offspring? “Fucking” losers.
I’m enamored by the sayings: “Don’t come here for happy talk.” & “The truth is not always pleasant.”
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Bill Gates & the monkey minds that he cares about are the walking dead.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-climate-change-criticizes-impoverished-lifestyle-idea-200125212.html
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Wonder how many will make it to the memorial service for the extinction of human race?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-revived-zombie-virus-frozen-190900438.html
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So how’s that fictional reserve lending working out? I don’t care if the stock market & the economy collapses. This fool is not so foolish as to let other fools hold his money or invest it while I take a loss & they don’t. I’ve recently developed a vaccine to cure stupidity but it’s not potent enough to cure or treat most cases. I hate acronyms. Rolling On The Floor Laughing my Ass Off.
Let’s watch to see how contagious this failure will be.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/dow-plunges-nearly-1-500-points-in-worst-week-since-june-as-bank-stocks-collapse/ar-AA18qnbh
There is not a Clever Ape that is more entertained to see monkey minds get what they deserve.
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An acquaintance from years ago was asked; “How did you get your wealth?” His answer; “Drugs! I drugs my ass out of bed & went to work.”
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Just FYI, blaming the “rich” and “elite” people for environmental degradation is rather misleading. Just FYI, global agriculture is, by far, the number one cause of environmental degradation and ecological destruction on this planet. At least 50% of all of the land on Earth is being used to grow crops for the 8,000,000,000+ human beings currently alive on this planet. That is a land area, at least, the size of the entire North and South American continents combined, just to grow food for the global human population. The other industrial activities-like mining, fossil fuel extraction and forestry–take up a relatively “minor” portion of humanity’s overall ecological footprint. However, at least 97% of all of the land on Earth is being directly exploited (and thus degraded) by human activities. There is a mere 3% of “unblemished” wilderness left on this planet. And even those areas are rapidly disappearing. Cities might “only” take up 2 to 3% of the Earth’s surface area, but the other 95% plus of the Earth’s surface is being used to extract resources for the people living in cities.
You ever been to the country side? Guess what that land is being used for? Growing food aka agriculture for the 8,000,000,000+ people on the planet, no shit. In fact, there is alot of farmland located RIGHT NEXT to urban areas. Funnily enough, cities are continually expanding in size, while farmland is being converted into cities. Human population is still rapidly growing, yet our ability to sustain the global human population is rapidly decreasing. Especially from the declining availability of farm land. And more and more farm land is becoming completely incapable of growing food, thanks to soil erosion caused by overexploitation from the enormous demand for food by the human population. Global, NTHE-causing famine is literally right on the horizon…probably just two to three years away. And there are many causes for such famine, but the primary cause might be overpopulation.
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“blaming the “rich” and “elite” people for environmental degradation is rather misleading.”
The problem is bigger than the amount of wealth one possesses.
The rich elites that have children are just as much a part of the problem as the poor. Every new offspring is a new habitat destroyer.
There it is again: The truth is not always pleasant.
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Production of automobiles, computers, clothing, pencils, etc have relatively little ecological impact compared to food production/agriculture. And yes, that means the poor people in Third World countries, who continue to breed humans, are responsible for ecological destruction. Blaming a childless millionaire, who buys several luxury, sports cars for destroying the planet, yet saying that a poor brown person in Africa with 7 offspring has no ecological impact, is a classical example of greenwashing via political correctness. Every new offspring increases the demand for food. This increased demand for food via global agriculture is, by far, the number one destroyer of planetary ecosystems/wildlife. Production of non-food items (like automobiles, computers, books and pencils) has relatively minor ecological impact compared to global agriculture/food production for feeding the 8,000,000,000+ humans on Earth. That means a rich, “overconsumer” that spends countless amounts of money on luxury items (like computers, automobiles and books) yet doesn’t have any offspring has WAY LESS ecological impact than a poor Third Worlder with even one offspring…let alone with five or more offspring. Stating this simple reality makes many leftist, overpopulation-denying liberals mad.
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‘Now this is funny,I don’t care who you are.’
Laughing my way to CIC!
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I think the term “overpopulation” is one of the most taboo words in the English language. Of course, the term obviously refers to “overpopulation” (aka excess population) of the human species/Homo sapiens. The term “overpopulation” almost always refers to the excess population of human beings on Earth. There is probably only one term/word that is even more taboo than overpopulation…that is CP aka “child porn”. Literally, nobody dares mention those two terms in a causal conversation in the real world…even on the Internet, it is very, very taboo to mention the terms “overpopulation” and “cp” in any context. Both these horrible realities are 100% real…these realities are so horrible that even mentioning those two terms is considered highly offensive/taboo. I remember mentioning overpopulation to a friend of mine a few years ago, and you couldn’t imagine how offended/shocked she was. BTW, she doesn’t even have any biological offspring, and she was extremely offended by me mentioning that there is obviously too many people in the world (which is an obvious reality, of course). And the term “cp” is probably even more taboo than “overpopulation” for obvious reasons.
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I was sitting by the pond & the black swan was feeding near the shore. Without warning it took flight. In the air it’s web feet turned into talons & it’s bill turned into a sharp beak. It must be looking for the prey that are the delusional believers in fictional reserve lending (I can create $10,000 out of a $1000 deposit), printing money out of thin air by hitting the money key on Federal Reserve’s keyboard & let’s not forget bailouts on private business. If anyone gets into financial trouble just call your elected Republican or Democrat, they are there to help… themselves. Are those that got $600 from Trump & $1400 from Biden, SOCIALISTS? I’m sure all the Rep/Cons returned the $2000 Big Govt. handout. Rightwing hypocritical loser takers.
Beating the fools with their own stupidity is an easy task.
It’s great to know that no one has ever lost a dime letting someone else manage their money. BTW, how’s everyone’s crypto investments working out?
Nothing like contagious bank failures to bring on CIC.
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Just got off a conference call with AGW, Climate Change,Weather Weirding,Habitat Destruction & NTHE. I mentioned the breaking decision to make all the depositors whole,better known as bailout, at SVB. The unanimous consensus was; “Can these idiots throw money that doesn’t exist at a bailout of the Clever Ape from the horrifying suffering that they will experience from the destruction of their overpopulated habitat?”
Damn! These guys mean business!
I’m finishing a short book. It will only have one page. Spoiler! Page 1: “Fuck the Clever Ape! No need, it’s fucking itself.”
Let’s all thank this species for the free entertainment.
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What kind of black bird is flying over the economy?
“The banking regulators said depositors at Signature Bank will have full access to their deposits, a similar move to ensure depositors at the failed Silicon Valley Bank will get their money back. ”
Everyone gets a trophy.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/12/regulators-close-new-yorks-signature-bank-citing-systemic-risk.html
“Loving every minute of it!”
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“Ex-Congress, the FDIC just unilaterally raised the $250k limit for those depositors who are part of the very first banking dominoes to fall. I have no doubt that’s not actually legal. Basically throwing everyone else under the bus to bailout companies with millions of deposits.”
I hope depositors in the future lose every dime over $250,000.
Fuck Democrats & Republicans that voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program in 2009. I apologize to the elected officials! Fuck Democrat & Republican voters that elected this scum.
What’s collapse of industrial civilization doing? Sitting on it’s ass?
https://zensecondlife.blogspot.com/2023/03/the-minsky-moment.html
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Just FYI, most people don’t seem to understand how REALLY dependent industrial civilization is of fossil fuels. The myth of technological “progress” seems to be heavily believed by the deluded masses. There is talk about “alternative” energy sources to fossil fuels…forgetting to mention (of course) that those “alternatives” are really just derivatives of fossil fuels. I understand that most people are simply not intelligent enough to realize the grim reality of NTHE. And the government is heavily supressing the reality of collapse of industrial civilization on social media. Apparently, most people refuse to realize that humanity’s presence on this planet is fundamentally unsustainable, and they refuse to accept the reality of humanity being little more than a plague or cancer on this planet. Anthropocentrism is the status quo. And this delusion will be maintained, until NTHE does finally happen. I already know that NTHE will happen. And I am 100% certain it will happen. The masses don’t realize this, however. Hopium is widely believed by the masses. Not to worry, NTHE will soon solve the overpopulation problem, for good.
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Doomer! Hell no! Just state the facts & the possible consequences & all the willfully ignorant snowflakes start to melt & can only call one names, Doomer! Doomer!
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2008-07-06/three-types-doomers-and-fantasy-collapse/
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We are all know what free market capitalism degenerates down to…the worst possible scumbags of humanity preying on vulnerable people for profit, and such people eventually gaining complete control over human civilization. And driving all of humanity towards extinction. And that is EXACTLY what is happening right now. This civilization is irredemably corrupt and unsustainable, and there is literally no MORAL or RATIONAL arguement for justifying its continued existence.
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There is a massive denial of collapse of industrial civilization and near-term human extinction by the elites. In fact, there is an entire propaganda system designed to deny and censor NTHE online. Why? To maintain the status quo. That is why. Not to worry, the day of reckoning will happen, and the deniers will be truly surprised when NTHE does finally happen.
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A little info as we are waiting to face our extinction.
Sorry I’m not impressed with huge, lower quality,sensitive to damage, black vinyl or it’s expensive equipment. I’ve had my share when there was only vinyl, 8-tracks reel to reel & cassettes.
“One of the great myths in the audio world is that vinyl sounds better than CDs. It’s just not true. Sure, you might prefer the warm analog sound, specifically its crackling and other imperfections, as well as the visceral experience of actually dropping the needle on a spinning record, but CDs are simply the best sounding physical audio format that most people can get their hands on. Compared to vinyl, CDs are able to produce a wider dynamic range and more bass. Plus they’re not going to skip (unless scratched).”
https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/audio/a731474/reasons-to-buy-cds/
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Jeeze, does it make a fucking difference what device you are going to use for music when there won’t be any humans left on the planet in the relatively near future? “Preserving cultural artifacts for future generations of humans”. That point is completely moot when you realize there will be no more humans on the planet in the relatively near future, and thus no point in transmitting relics of civilization to non-existent future generations of humans?
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I’m apt to throw out anything to see the responses.
We’re are going extinct. Why do or say anything,it’s useless.
I saw a problem, not clearly at that time, about what was coming, in 1964, when there was a program, on one of the only 3 channels, about global population. As dumb as I am I saw the problem with unregulated fucking. Why is the Clever Ape not able to see past it’s nose?
The Clever Ape’s Third Eye is located in it’s genitalia.
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I just went to Walmart a few hours ago, and I noticed the sheer overwhelming number of people shopping at Walmart. Just go to any big city…notice the sheer overwhelming number of people on the streets. I remember visiting Toronto a few months ago, and the sheer overwhelming number of people on its streets is mind-boogling. And keep in mind that Toronto is part of Canada…one of the countries with relatively low population density. I can’t imagine how overcrowded cities in densely-populated countries–like China and India are. The human overpopulation problem is extremely obvious…the extreme level of human population overshoot on this planet is extremely obvious. Not just the sheer number of people on the streets, but also the sheer number of cars, buildings and other mass-produced crap on the streets of cities.
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Putting the blame of ecological destruction on “developed” countries–like Canada and the USA–for being over-priveleged, overconsumers is incorrect. Because that is somehow assuming that “developing” countries–like India, China, and Africa–are not to blame for ecological destruction. Here is a few glaring examples of “developing” countries rapidly destroying the planet’s ecosphere.
Palm oil deforestation happening in the “developing” world
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2016/10/04/palm-oil-firm-cameroon-congo-basin/
https://news.mongabay.com/2016/02/prospective-congo-palm-oil-plantation-wrecking-prime-great-ape-habitat/
Deforestation for firewood decimating African rainforests
https://apnews.com/article/364bb5c5d18846a8b17a9bb72cefcf48
http://africanclimatereporter.com/2018/01/08/charcoal-business-threatens-african-forestry/
Also, mining for coal in “third world” countries–like India and China–are devastating global ecosystems
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/08/india-prime-minister-narendra-modi-plans-to-fell-ancient-forest-to-create-40-new-coal-fields
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-29/china-to-host-almost-a-third-of-the-world-s-new-coal-mines
Of course, you can put the blame of this ecological destruction on the “developed” countries’ demand for the “developing” world’s natural resources like timber, minerals and fossil fuels. Which might be correct– to a certain extent–because “rich” countries–like Canada and the USA–are certainly over-consuming resources extracted from the developing world and the world in general. But, I would argue that it doesn’t really matter if it is poor person born into the “developing” world, like Africa or India. Or an overpriveleged, rich brat born in the “developed” world, like Canada and the USA. Each and every new human being born onto this planet is a new planet destroyer. LOL, another new 200,000 + planet destroyers were born onto this planet during the past 24 hours.
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Here is the unpleasent truth…people reproducing are, by far, the NUMBER ONE PLANET DESTROYERS. The people buying a few plastic toys, yet not breeding, have essentially ZERO IMPACT on the environment than those dumbfucks that are still breeding humans. You can consume as much plastic crap from Amazon and Walmart as humanly possible–without having any kids, and that will still have essentially no ecological impact compared to someone who has just one biological offspring. They say the “overconsumers” with no offspring in “developed” countries are the number one eco-destroyers, yet some poor, brown people having five or more offspring has zero impact on the environment? What bullshit. The number one destroyer of the planetary ecosystems, by far, is global agriculture, and the more people there are, the more agricultural intensification there must be to feed the extra humans. Global food production is, by far, the number one destroyer of planetary ecosystems. And the more offspring you have the more food you will demand, and thus your offspring are the number destroyer of the planetary ecosystems.
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Look Up! There’s a flock of black swans looking for a place to land.
What pisses off a Capitalist? It’s when a Marxist gives them a lesson in reality.
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Can someone tell me how body piercings, tattoos, multicolored hair, capitalism, political parties, religion, guns & having more than one child will protect one from extinction? That’s right, I don’t know everything. 😉
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I forgot to list morbid obesity.
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A good question is “how fast will collapse happen?”. Will it be a slow decline in which certain non-essential items (like cars, smartphones, toys and video games) be reduced in manufacturing/ completely stop being manufactured, before essential items (like food, water, and electricity) completely stop being manufactured, and NTHE finally happens? Or will those worthless trinkets continue to be mass-manufactured, until literally everything simultaneously stops being manufactured, and we have a sudden and abrupt collapse from BAU into NTHE? I think that BAU will likely continue, until a sudden and abrupt collapse happens. So non-essential items will continue to be mass-manufactured, until the supply chains collapse and everything stops being manufactured. The question is how will they (the corporations) stimulate demand for non-essential items as the global economy is perpeutally contracting, and people lose their ability to afford essential items–let alone afford non-essential items? Where will people get the money to buy non-essential items, if they can’t even afford essential items anymore?
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“worthless trinkets”, great description.
I’ll give up everything,BUT NOT MY SMARTPHONE!
It would be horrible to not be able to order crap on the web & it not be delivered to one’s door. It’s truly the end of the world!
They,whoever they are, are saying that we are finished with La Nina this year. Just waiting to see if an intense El Nino forms & how much it affects regional weather around the globe.
Sudden & abrupt collapse, I can see it happening in 2023 or before the election in 2024. Global bailout capitalism could be a trigger. I think unpleasant weather & NTHE are going to be a long & painful process.
There is no vision correction for a mentally blind species.
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It seems like business as usual is desperately being maintained, even though global oil extraction has already peaked in 2019 (and is now in permanent decline). It is likely that the non-essential items are already being manufactured in lower volumes than before. However, the “new” versions of consumer products continue to be released on the same quarterly/yearly rates as 10 or 15 years ago before we reached the all-time peak of global oil extraction. For example, they might have manufactured 500 million iPhones every year (at the peak of their manufacturing 5 to 10 years ago)…now they can only manufacture 200 million per year. And even if the quantity of manufacturing is being reduced, they must constantly come up with a “new” version on a quarterly/yearly basis to maintain revenues/employment.
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NTHE is simply the inevitable consequence of Homo sapien’s fundamental inability to live in harmony with the natural environment. And the people–thinking that humanity is somehow “beneficial” for the planet’s biosphere–will continue to deny the reality of NTHE. Anyone, who realizes the fundamental unsustainability of Homo sapiens, will come to the logical conclusion that NTHE is inevitable. If you realize that humanity is a disease and cancer on this planet (which is the 100% truth), then the only logical conclusion is that NTHE will happen. It is really that simple.
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Collapse has arrived when there is not enough power to run YouTube, the interwebs, electronic Wall Street & crypto. Gosh! I won’t have any likes, no subscribers & no one will get to see all my selfies. We will worry about nuclear power plants when they start to glow.
This species will “Die Dumb”.
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It is also likely there will be mass genocide occuring in ethnically-diverse regions (like Canada and the USA) as things start/continue to rapidly deteriorate. Remember, that the primary reason why ethnic tensions can be mitigated in multicultural regions is because of abundant access to resources. As access to resources decreases, ethnic tensions will, most likely, increase. We are probably already in that situation.
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