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Nate Hagens’ recent interview of Professor Peter Ward, entitled “Oceans – What’s the Worst that Can Happen?”, serves as a good overview of mankind’s destruction of the marine biosphere and our road to extinction. The title is a rather rhetorical question because very bad things have happened, are already happening, and even worse things are unavoidable and on the horizon despite hopes that humans will run out of ways to extract the dirtiest and most inaccessible fossil fuel deposits. We have seen how inextricably linked economic growth is to rising fossil fuel consumption, no matter the mounting disasters happening before our eyes and the steady stream of dire warnings issued from the scientific community. The most current of such warnings came from the UN last month, and it states that escalating synergies between disasters, economic vulnerabilities and ecosystem failures are increasing the risk of a “global collapse” scenario. Such a catastrophic scenario appears all but inevitable. Constricting fossil fuel consumption is like squeezing a balloon. If one country stops consumption, another takes up the slack. For example, efforts to cripple Russia’s fossil fuel exports for their unwarranted invasion of Ukraine don’t appear to be very effective since China and India have simply stepped in and increased their purchases. Rising oil prices have also more than offset a decline in Russia’s export volumes. Perhaps an unintended consequence of those higher energy prices will be the ripple effect through the economy, making food unaffordable for large swaths of the globe and destabilizing governments.
Getting back to the Peter Ward interview, the professor states matter of factly, “Every time we get into a car, it’s putting more of those CO2 particles into the atmosphere. And if this isn’t collective suicide by Homo sapiens, I don’t know what is.” Unfortunately for us, humans have created an unsustainable civilization supporting billions of people while at the same time destroying the very foundation upon which that system is dependent. Humans are by far outperforming the carbon-spewing volcanoes of past mass extinctions. Nicholas Money, renowned mycologist and author of many books, recently wrote:
Decades ago, Gerald Durrell, the famous conservationist, recognized that “the human race is in the position of a man sawing off the tree branch he is sitting on.” Thirty years after Durrell’s death, the human population has increased by 2 billion and the damage has intensified. The branch will snap now whether we keep sawing or not.
The timeline for extinctions is not known, but, sooner or later, the disappearing mammals will be joined by the other groups of animals. Almost everything will be leaving the metaphorical ark, creeping down the gangplank into oblivion. Millions of other species, seen and unseen, including plants, seaweeds, and fungi will be leaving, too. The tiniest of organisms will inherit the planet, but great gulps of the microbial world will also disappear in the depths of this planetary holocaust…
Exact dates are not known, but mankind’s final fate can be seen scrawled upon the familiar checklist for mass extinctions which we are quickly ticking off, one by one. As Ward points out, every time there has been a major disruption in Earth’s delicate biogeochemical carbon cycle, there has been a mass extinction. Today that disruption is happening on a timescale much faster than at any time in the past, even faster than the asteroid impact that killed off the dinosaurs. During the K-T extinction, the immediate impact of the asteroid killed only the large animals. It took thousands of years for the consequent climate change to kill off smaller organisms. Current trends are exponentially faster, not only with anthropogenic climate disruption incinerating the biosphere within a lifetime but also by a multi-pronged attack from other human activities such as chemical and plastic pollution, the global spread of invasive species, and humanity’s massive overdraw on the planet’s resources.

If one were to equate Earth’s geologic history to a calendar year, modern humans have been around for a mere 37 minutes while managing to consume 1/3rd of Earth’s natural resources in just the last 0.2 seconds. The biomass of wild mammals has fallen by 83% since prehistory and it is projected that by 2050 humans will have eliminated 38–46% of all biodiversity from the planet. 70% of the planet’s land area has been altered by humans, with 40% considered degraded. By 2050, an area of land the size of South America will be further degraded. Nearly all of the marine biosphere has been degraded. Now Modern man has set his sights on wringing the last dollar of profit from the already dying oceans in what is being heralded as the “Blue Acceleration”, a not-so-clever play of words on the Great Acceleration referring to the period starting around 1950 when measurements of humanity’s impact on the planet’s resources went hyperbolic:
As pressures on Earth’s land grow and terrestrial resources look increasingly exhausted, governments and corporations are seeing the next big wins on, in and under the high seas. Whether it is mineral exploration, shipping, energy, tourism, desalination, cable laying, bioprospecting or more, ocean-based industries are picking up speed fast.
This “blue acceleration” has many people worried…With the power to profit from remote ocean resources growing rapidly, and the laws that govern their exploitation less than clear, we risk a free-for-all in the deep. “Our society has been based on the degradation of nature, destruction of nature,” says marine ecologist Enric Sala…
The new plunge into the ocean has come about in part because technologies – from ocean drilling and offshore wind turbines to desalination plants and factory trawlers – have made it possible. “A lot of offshore industries were unthinkable even just a few decades ago,” says Jouffray.
And so it goes, Homo sapiens onward march of eating the seed corn and leaving a husk of a planet for future generations …if there are to be any.
Back to Peter Ward and that checklist for mass extinction…The second step after a large release of heat trapping gasses is that Earth’s poles will start warming up much faster than the rest of the globe, melting the polar icecaps and reducing the heat differential between the equator and higher latitudes. A recent study found that the Arctic is heating up as much as seven times faster than the global average. The Antarctic is warming four times faster than the global average. This diminishing heat differential between the higher latitudes and the equator leads to the third step which is that ocean currents and atmospheric jet streams slow down and become stagnant and swampish. As professor Ward points out, swamps have a lot of nasty, toxic aspects to them such as hydrogen sulfide. This has happened to the oceans many times in Earth’s history with deadly consequences, the most recent being the PETM extinction which was associated with the largest deep-sea mass extinction event in the last 93 million years. Less than 5% of sea creatures survived. The oceans became a poisonous and miasmic brew of acidification, hypoxia and sulfide gases. Deep ocean upwellings injected hydrogen sulfide into the atmosphere, laying waste to plants and animals. This killer gas rose to the upper atmosphere and also attacked the ozone layer, allowing deadly ultraviolet radiation from the sun to amplify the destruction of plant and animal life. Fossil spores contained in strata from the PETM extinction show deformities consistent with damage from UV radiation. Major disruptions in the hydrologic cycle occurred with evidence of increased continental runoff. Land suffered extreme precipitation events. Dinoflagellates, tiny organisms that ooze toxins and create deadly algal blooms called ‘red tides’, flourished in the nearly 100°F surface water of the equator. Less than a third of the large animal species made it. Nearly all trees died. No ice existed on the planet during that time. Sea levels were around 300 feet higher than now.
Today we are pumping heat trapping gases into the atmosphere nine to tens times higher than during the PETM extinction. We are just four generations away from matching the chemical composition of the atmosphere that caused that die-off event. However, we are already seeing major changes in the Earth’s climate system that align with the third step toward a mass extinction. Proxy data (like coral data, ocean sediments, and land-based data) along with modern-day instrumentation show an intense weakening of the AMOC, Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, in the past 200 years. And the Gulf Steam, a component of the AMOC, is also showing signs of collapse. We are in the process of turning off the global ocean conveyor belt that keeps the ocean oxygenated and helps regulate the Earth’s climate. Ocean acidity has increased about 30% from preindustrial times to the early 21st century, a pace faster than any known in Earth’s geologic past. The volume of anoxic ocean waters has quadrupled since the 1960s, and evidence suggests that temperature increases explain about 50% of oxygen loss in the upper 1000 meters of the ocean. Ocean stratification due to climate change has increased 18% in the top 150 meters of the oceans since 1960. Stratified ocean layers have a number of negative effects such as preventing the mixing and transport of heat, carbon dioxide, oxygen, and nutrients to the lower depths of the oceans. It was only recently, November 2021, that a group of scientists issued a plea to governments for establishing a global monitoring system to track the loss of oxygen in the oceans causing dead zones:
“There is a pressing need to document and predict hypoxic episodes and hotspots of low oxygen in order to take protective actions for aquaculture, put in place precautionary measures for affected fisheries, and monitor the wellbeing of important fish stocks,” Limburg said.
“Without this understanding, we are in the dark about impacts that have large economic-ecological implications.”…
“These problems are getting worse because we are not solving the problems of nutrient run-off and our waters are continuing to warm.
Stalled Rossby waves in the Jet Stream linked to extreme weather events have increased significantly in the last twenty years. U.S. crop losses due to drought and flooding have trippled since 1995. Onward we march into oblivion.
Despite the horrors described thus far, what really scares Professor Ward is sea level rise. Ward believes that the volcano of mankind will sputter out before we reach the levels required for a full-fledged Canfield Ocean, and negative feedback loops in the climate system will pull Earth back from the brink. The “Canfield Ocean”, a sulfidic and partially oxic ocean, existed for more than 40% of Earth history, between the Archean and Ediacaran periods. It would take millennia to reach that state again, but humans are supercharging the process to get there by releasing into the ocean vast quantities of nutrients from agricultural fertilizer, soil erosion, industrial waste and sewage, in addition to the ever-growing release of CO2 and methane emissions. Humans have become a geologic force breaching most if not all of the planetary boundaries that make Earth hospitable for life. The mechanisms required for Earth to return to a dead, toxic planet may have already been irreversibly set into motion.
Getting back to Ward’s fear, the most recent report on sea level rise states that it is accelerating with an increase of one foot expected along U.S. coasts by 2050. And that is only if emissions are curbed now. Otherwise, expect up to 5 feet. The researchers say that one foot of SLR over the next three decades is equal to the total that occurred over the past century. Just one foot of vertical rise in sea level will swallow up 100 feet of shoreline if the slope is just 1% or more, a typical slope for most coastlines. To make matters worse, most coastal cities are sinking at a rate faster than the seas are rising. Thus within the next few decades, we could see several hundred feet of shoreline swallowed up along coasts of America and around the world, creating the largest human migration in history. Ward believes we’ll have six feet of sea level rise by 2080 which will destroy a big percentage of the world’s rice production, primarily through salinization. Rice is the number one food source for a majority of the world population today. Sea level rise alone could devastate global trade, not to mention the inevitable damage to ports from stronger storms. The latest IPCC report made it clear that parts of the planet are fast becoming uninhabitable:
Life in some locations on the planet is rapidly reaching the point where it will be too hot for the species that live there to survive, international climate experts said in a report Monday.
“With climate change, some parts of the planet will become uninhabitable,” said German scientist Hans-Otto Pörtner, co-chair of Working Group II for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which produced the report released in Berlin…
…Increased heat waves, droughts and floods are already exceeding plants’ and animals’ tolerance thresholds, driving mass mortalities in species such as trees and corals, according to the report…
…Sherilee Harper, a lead author on the North American chapter and an associate professor at the University of Alberta’s public health school, said she was personally struck by the effect climate change already is having on the “physical and mental health of many Americans.”
Peter Ward then brings up something I don’t remember hearing about global warming. The higher temperatures are disrupting the sperm fertility of organisms. Ward says it’s an existential threat to the amount of food we can produce. Recent studies show this to be true and the damage continues across generations:
…according to new research. New findings reveal that heatwaves damage sperm in insects – with negative impacts for fertility across generations. The research team say that male infertility during heatwaves could help to explain why climate change is having such an impact on species populations, including climate-related extinctions in recent years.

Nate and Peter then get into the societal ignorance preventing humans from addressing any serious problem, let alone the existential threat of anthropogenic climate disruption. Peter says, “How could we, as a species, take something as simple as masks and turn it into a political ploy where the level of ignorance will kill you, will kill you?!?” Nate then explains how social media algorithms are set up to highlight the most polarizing content in order to generate more user activity since their business model is based on user engagement. In order to keep users online, the social media platforms are also designed to be very addictive such as with the infinite scroll feature and the “like” button.
In 2017, Facebook’s former president, Sean Parker, said publicly that the company sought to consume users’ time as much as possible, and that the act was “exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology”…”That means that we needed to sort of give you a little dopamine hit every once in a while because someone liked or commented on a photo or a post or whatever… It’s a social validation feedback loop… You’re exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology…” – link
There is no fixing this dysfunctional social media ecosystem because it is operating exactly as intended. Our profit-driven economic system is rooted in inequality, exploitation, dispossession, and environmental destruction. And encouraging the public to turn off the horror show of climate chaos and biodiversity annihilation are essential for this system to continue. Exploiting tribal biases is a good way to keep the plebs fighting amongst themselves as the last dollar is extracted from a dying planet. Nate asks, “If we can’t have a discussion on what’s real or not with COVID, how are we going to have one about the ocean’s ecosystems and Earth systems and our collective future?” Indeed.

Of course, humanity is doomed for extinction. There is nobody ever addressing the issue of overpopulation and overconsumption…thus fueling the never-ending increases in demand for energy and resources. The only thing we ever hear from mainstream media is how we must constantly increase the supply of energy and resources…the economists, politicians and other morons running civilization pretend (or are unaware) of the physical limits to economic growth. They are brainwashed and deluded by delusions of infinite growth in human population and resource consumption…don’t worry, collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE will eventually put an end to humanity’s greed and hubris.
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There are no creatures who have access to easy abundant energy and don’t use it to reproduce.
Overpopulation & Overshoot are baked in. The MPP tells me so.
No matter how fucked up things become almost all humans will continue to use as much energy as their ladder rung affords them. Free will is a powerful illusion, but we are all slaves to evolution & thermodynamics. The humans are just along for the ride.
The destruction of the natural world is not the result of global capitalism, industrialisation, “Western civilisation” or any flaw in human institutions. It is a consequence of the evolutionary success of an exceptionally rapacious primate. Throughout all of history and prehistory, human advance has coincided with ecological devastation. — John Gray
“The single most-important lesson for me was that we cannot re-wire (literally, because thought is physical[1]) our basic political agendas through reading or discussion alone. Moreover, since our thoughts are subject to physical law, we do not have the free-will to either think or behave autonomously.
We are “political” animals from birth until death. Everything we do or say can be seen as part of lifelong political agendas. Despite decades of scientific warnings, we continue to destroy our life-support system because that behavior is part of our inherited (DNA, RNA, etc.) hard wiring. We use scientific warnings, like all inter-animal communications, for cementing group identity and for elevating one’s own status (politics).
Only physical hardship can force us to rewire our collective-political agendas. I am certainly not the first to make the observation, but now, after 25 years of study and debate, I am totally certain. The “net energy principle” guarantees that our global supply lines will collapse.
The rush to social collapse cannot be stopped no matter what is written or said. Humans have never been able to intentionally-avoid collapse because fundamental system-wide change is only possible after the collapse begins.”
https://jayhansonsdieoff.net/overshoot-loop-evolution-under-the-maximum-power-principle/
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Well, it is not like we didn’t know that already…surprisingly, someone posted an updated version of that website. And yes, it is obvious that humans are overreproducing and overconsuming, just like how their genetic make-up dictates. Stating what is at the root of the problems doesn’t mean there is actually a solution to that said problem. Of course, we usually think that a “solution” means keeping business-as-usual going indefinitely into the future…rather than saving the natural world. It would be foolish to say that we can save nature, especially at this point. Nature is already doomed at this point. Now, it is just a matter of time before collapse of industrial civilization/NTHE happens. And I don’t expect very many organisms surviving beyond the extinction of mankind. It is a miracle that we still haven’t caused the extinction of every large vertebrate organism yet. But it is very obvious that very few “wild” animals exist in 2023…and it is a miracle that any still exist in 2023. Don’t worry…they will soon all be gone once CoIC/NTHE happens…we will make sure they all get eaten by the 8,000,000,000+ humans when the global supply chains collapse.
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I am glad that I don’t have any offspring. The last thing the world needs is more rapacious, human monkeys overpopulating this planet, am I right? Oh wait, there was 250,000 extra humans born onto this planet in the past 24 hours alone. And in another 24 hours, another 250,000 extra humans will be added to this planet. Jeeze, humans can’t seem to stop producing more human babies. I wonder why that is the case LOL?
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The population growth rate is decreasing,and the world population increase last year was about 65 million.
https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth
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That is a significiant decrease in human population growth rates…but how do we actually know that there is more than 8 billion people in the world in 2023? IIRC, about 80 to 90 million extra people are added each year onto this planet during most years of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Sorry for sounding misanthrophic…I am not misanthrophic. It is just obvious that it is becoming increasingly difficult to accomodate the needs (and desires) of the global human population…even if the wealth and access to resources for the human population is more equitable.
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Sure, the point I was making is that if you check that link, you’ll find the section on population increase. The annual increase now
is about 65 million, projected to decrease by around one million each year. ( not that projections mean much now, with the rapid changes in climatic conditions affecting agriculture around the world )
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It is very likely that 20 to 30 years from now–if there is any humans left–that modern technologies–like automobiles and computers–can no longer be manufactured anymore…due to lack of resources. I am fairly certain that the automobile and Internet age is a very brief period of human history…which will end in the relatively near future (most likely). Due to the lack of ability to extract sufficient amounts of fossil fuels and the inability to maintain the electricity grid (after the collapse of industrial civilization happens).
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I think it is incorrect to assume that the global human population will stabilize at 9 to 10 billion people…it is highly questionable if we will ever reach that many people by the mid to late 21st century. I would imagine that the global human population suffers from an epic crash by the mid 21st century. That article contains alot of hopium and false assumptions. It says that human population isn’t exponentially growing anymore…even if I were to give you the benefit of doubt that human population growth has slowed down to 65 million per year (which I doubt), human population is still exponentially growing. 0.8% growth per year is still exponential growth…especially with how large the existing population base already is.
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As for near-term human extinction, it is guranateed at this point. Anyone, who doesn’t believe it, is seriously delusional or doesn’t understand how REALLY dependent we of fossil fuels.
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Near term human extinction is the only solution to ending capitalism for good. And it is gonna happen. That is a 100% certainty. Capitalism, in its essence, basically boils down to ripping off and scamming people for profit.
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Here is a little “secret”. Law enforcement is about protecting the wealth and power of the global capitalist system…and not about protecting the “rights” of the 99%/commoners. Don’t worry…when NTHE happens, law enforcement can’t do shit for “protecting” anyone, anymore.
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Hope everyone finishes their weekend reading assignment, although it’s too late to learn anything for a whole heaping bunch of folk.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/06/03/3rd-june-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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I am looking forward to near term human extinction happening. I really hate this civilization. I look forward to human civilization ending, for good.
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I want to be able to tell those that to self absorbed to care & deniers that I know, when the suffering becomes unbearable: “Everything you valued has no value now. You should have valued your habitat.”
I wanted to add ASSHOLES! at the end but changed my mind. 😉
You sound as disgusted with this species as I am. I’m not sure disgusted best describes my feelings. I think “hate” works better for me,too. Watching extinction will be more entertaining than any movie about an end of the Clever Ape.
Luke 13:28
King James Version
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Translation for atheists; Clever Ape’s lives will be hell as they are thrust out of existence.
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I think that I am gifted at critical thinking…unlike the vast majority of people. I have read countless books and articles about various topics (like psychology, biology, history, ecology, technology and geology). And I also watched many Youtube documentaries. So I am very well-aware of how human civilization works. And where humanity exists in the grand scheme of life on Earth. And I have come to the conclusion that NTHE will, most likely, happen within the next decade or two.
Anyways, here is a link to some of the artwork I have drawn myself and uploaded online. I hope you enjoy it.
https://www.deviantart.com/amandanerdbot
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I don’t want to sound anti-Semitic, but I don’t think it is a secret that the Jews invented capitalism…from the invention and profileration of usury aka requiring the burrower of money to pay back more money than what was burrowed from the lender of money.
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I’ll laugh at myself & anyone else. This species is a punchline.
What does a Jew yell at a football game?
Get the quarterback!
Damn! That’s an old joke.
They will have a dollar in a few minutes,though.
Hey Jews, not to worry, I don’t like anyone.
It’s your honor to be worthy of my mention.
BTW, Everyone take yourselves more seriously, as important as you are. I’m on a roll!
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Here is a quote worth mentioning: “”Notwithstanding Usury prohibition, Jewish Usury had been a huge issue throughout the Middle Ages and it does not require a great leap of the imagination to see that Capitalism is in fact the modern equivalent of what was once known as Jewish Usury.””
https://www.realcurrencies.org/2014/06/05/capitalism-is-jewish-usury/
Again, this is not “anti-Semitism”. This is simply stating the “secret” about how God’s choosen people invented usury and thus capitalism.
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I watched the movie Little Mermaid yesterday at the movie theaters, and it made the obvious point that humans are just good-for-nothing, planet-destroyers. No wonder ocean creatures hate humanity so much…humanity is nothing but a bunch of rapacious planet-destroyers. Back during the historic era of the Little Mermaid’s setting, there was “only” 800 million humans on the planet 300 years ago…now, there is 8 billion + of these planet-wrecking humans in 2023.
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There is record-breaking pollution in South Western Ontario right now, as a result of the raging wildfires in Northern Ontario. The boreal forests of Northern Canada are setting record-breaking fires, and that smoke is being carried to other areas of Canada many hundreds of kilometers away.
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The honest truth is that global oil extraction already peaked 10 to 15 years ago…however, the elites managed to delay the collapse of industrial civilization for an extra 5 to 10 years by delaying the inevitable and permanent decline of global oil extraction for a few extra years. Global oil extraction already peaked around 2008 to 2012. But the permanent decline of global oil extraction didn’t start until around 2018/2019. And then suddenly, the COVID-19 pandemic “arrived”. It is possible that COVID-19 was invented as a means of lowering global oil demand to delay the inevitable day when oil demand exceeds the rate of oil extraction…which will obviously result in collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE. Now, the global elites are incapable of preventing collapse…all they can do is systematically destroy the demand for oil to delay the day when demand outstrips supply…resulting in collapse of the global supply chains->collapse of industrial civilization->NTHE.
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I am sick and tired of those fucking paid-shills (like Jordan Peterson and Stephen Pinker) denying reality and misleading the masses with bs about how NTHE will never happen, how the world isn’t overpopulated and the rest of that denial/hopium crap. Don’t worry…when NTHE happens, (almost) everyone would be shocked because they believe in that hopium crap about never-ending technological “progress”. And these idiots refuse to realize that industrial civilization is an unsustainable pyramid scheme that will eventually end with NTHE. Don’t worry…NTHE will eventually exterminate all of those hopium-addicted morons.
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As I was walking around early this evening enjoying the fine weather outside I thought to myself, silently not outloud, most of the people that I know can accept the idea that humanity can come to an end due to an all out nuclear exchange between the USA and Russia. But only those who have time and inclination to really delve in to the collapse of the environment can believe that NTHE is on the horizon. The percent of people in that catagory is quite low. Most people just can not accept that humanity could go extinct in this century if not in the next 2 decades, if not in the next couple of El Ninjo/La Ninja cyclesdue to environmental degredation, which includes global warming and resource deplition.
They might believe that lots of people will die but not everyone, not themselves. Even when the nuclear power plants in France, Japan, and the USA are exploding they will believe that if they can hold out only a few days longer they will live to see the world back on the road to a recovery which will not only save humanity from extinction, but even restore the world’s industrial civilization.
That means that doomers will never be able to get away with saying I told you so it is happening now because the only people who will believe them will be other people who have been doomers for a long time.
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Well, I guess I am one of the few people who truly understands the level of environmental degradation…because I have seen it first hand…not just reports of it, but first hand experience of how humanity is irreversibly destroying the environment of this planet. I guess the vast majority of people are too brainwashed and too busy wageslaving away to see the collapsing environment and humanity’s imminent and inevitable extinction. I don’t believe in any of that hopium crap. Because hopium is just false hope designed to encourage people to support their own enslavement. Thinking that industrial civilization will never collapse and that technology can “fix” all of the world’s problems is nothing but false hope. The collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE is directly caused by humanity’s own actions…not because of an asteroid impact or some other non-human related events. Humanity’s extinction will be caused directly by the consequences of human industrial activities, not because of some non-human related catastrophy or natural disaster (like a volcanic eruption or asteroid impact).
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Here is an article I published about hopium and the denial of NTHE https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/2023/06/how-can-people-deny-obvious.html?m=1
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Just went there & Agent Smith’s monologue has to be one of my favorites. The Clever Ape makes a virus look like a sneeze.We are even trashing up space with our technology. Where’s Voyager 1 & 2? In someone else’s backyard. Sentient beings are useless. We supposedly have non-human vehicles & exotic materials they crashed & littered here. If this is the best the different Creators can do, then Sexually Assault! [or synonym] Them!
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Whenever I talk to people about AGW, one can almost see a fog of denial surround their brain. I would like to be wrong but with all the weather weirding we are seeing I think we are headed to non-existence. I wonder how long it is going to take for habitat destruction to slap some in the face? When there is not enough food to cram into their faces? Bet we will see some massive weight losses.
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I think this prophecy (written in 1995) will soon become a reality: “”Or it may prove impossible for even a few survivors to subsist on the meager resources left in civilization’s wake. The children of the highly technological society into which more and more of the world’s peoples are being drawn will not know how to support themselves by hunting and gathering or by simple agriculture. In addition, the wealth of wild animals that once sustained hunting societies will be gone, and topsoil that has been spoiled by tractors will yield poorly to the hoe. A species that has come to depend on complex technologies to mediate its relationship with the environment may not long survive their loss.”””
http://web.archive.org/web/20220524111716/https://dieoff.com/page137.htm
Especially the part about “the highly technological society”. Look, at all those people addicted to their smartphones. They are dependent on smartphones for literally everything. They certainly cannot survive without their smartphones (when industrial civilization finally collapses for good). Yep, it is 100% true that today’s people live in a “highly technological society”, and they would certainly be doomed when industrial civilization does inevitably collapse (in the relatively near future), because civilized humans neither possess the skills nor the intact ecological environment to survive without fossil-fuel based technologies…btw, literally every aspect of industrial civilization is directly or indirectly dependent on fossil fuels. So yes, Homo sapiens is truly an evolutionary dead-end. A clever ape that literally cannot exist without fossil fuels. Fossil fuels, which are rapidly going away, meaning that humans will soon cease to exist aka go extinct in the relatively near future.
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Most people falsely believe that it is money that runs the world. No, money doesn’t run the world. It is fossil fuels that literally run the world. Money cannot create energy. Without (sufficient) fossil fuel energy, money quickly loses its value…thus resulting in runaway increases in the price of goods (especially that of food). Without any means of increasing the income of people. Which is happening right now. Just like this article predicted http://web.archive.org/web/20220629104545/https://dieoff.com/page173.htm
“””High inflation rates can be explained by the linkages between fuel use and money supply. If the money supply is increased, stimulating demand beyond levels that can be satisfied by existing fuel supplies, then prices will rise. This implies that when the costs of obtaining fuel are high, fiscal and monetary policies may not be successful in stimulating economic growth.”””
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I disagree with Curt. The deniers of NTHE will eventually realize the reality of NTHE when it really happens. No amount of denial will hide or stop NTHE when it really happens. And no amount of denial and hopium will save anyone from NTHE when it really happens. Sure, those deniers can keep on denying, but there will eventually be a day when NTHE becomes undeniable to even the most stupid deniers. It is already abundantly clear to me that NTHE will most certainly happen. And no amount of denial will save anyone when NTHE finally arrives.
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We will be extinct before these charts stop rising?
Keep happy thoughts,everyone!
How often has hope been a strategy that worked?
https://twitter.com/PCarterClimate/status/1667726650019319809/photo/1
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I look forward to seeing NTHE happening, and killing all of those stupid deniers. NTHE is unavoidable at this point. And those hopium-addicts and deniers will realize NTHE when it really happens. When NTHE does finally happen, those idiots will finally realize that they wasted their entire lives defending an unsustainable system aka capitalist industrial civilization.
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How long will it take the media to start showing human suffering from overpopulation’s AGW?
Soon as they can see dollar signs.
Media & bloggers are happy to show wonderful war scenes. I saw my share of the money making Vietnam police action.
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Don’t worry…near term human extinction will 100% happen. Don’t expect Homo sapiens to ever save itself from extinction.
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I bet I’m not alone in missing what George Carlin would be saying today.
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LoL at those fools believing in religion…apparently, most people don’t realize that religion is bullshit. I know that religion is bullshit because…well, just look at religion’s “wonderful” track record for solving the world’s problems. Look at those dumbfuck religious morons…and the only logical conclusion is that near term human extinction would be the best thing that could happen for the world. Humans are a rapacious disease on this planet, and literally the only cure for this disease is NTHE! Which will come sooner or later. Probably much sooner than any of those hopium-addicted morons could have ever expected.
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Even when Americans have to pay 50 Dollars (or on the average work 2 hours) to buy one tomato in the grocery store they will still not attribute this price to climate change and or to resource deplition. 80% of them will attribute the high price of tomatos to the “Democratic party leadership” budgets which led to a massive national debt which has caused tomatos to sell for 50 dollars because of debt driven inflationary pressures.
Americans and Europeans will not understand who started the war in the Ukraine until Russian Artillery starts firing over the Odor River to destroy Berlin and Prague. But wait, even then they will take that as evidence that the Russians want to recreate the Russian Empire. They will not take that as evidence that there are some reasonable people in the world trying to bring neo nazis to justice. Nor will the masses of Americans and Europeans understand that they have been lied to by the leaders of their own empire for decades about who the defenders of truth and justice are (were). Nor will these masses even understand who the real unelected leaders of their societies are. These leaders are not Israelis. Though the Israelis work closely with them.
There is a very subtle difference between the two examples.
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One thing that probably won’t be subtle, is the last phases of NTHE. One thing I look forward to is watching the sadness of all media types on TV, YouTube videos & the written word realizing what their selective ignorant/denial egos have brought them.
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I think everyone is a sucker for advertisements and consumer capitalism. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be using computers and the Internet to have this conversation in the first place. Everyone on this website is a sucker for consumerism…even if we can see past the whole pyramid scheme of capitalism, we are still dependent on it for literally everything, am I right? Of course, realizing that our entire economy is a scam does make a slight difference…it means we enlightened people will slightly reduce our consumption of consumer goods, but in the grand scheme of things, it makes no real difference. Because only a small percentage of people realize the truth. The vast majority of people still believe in the American Dream. And that will stay this way…until NTHE finally arrives.
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There are a few of us that know that consumer capitalism is not a problem if there is controlled population growth & systems to prevent as much pollution as possible. Bet a global population of a few 100,000 would not affect the planet ability to support the habitat for those baboon brains.
I did my weekly,frugal,consumer shopping & got depressed at the number of newborns & the minor children that don’t have a chance of survival because of their intentionally stupid parents.
Hope they enjoy watching their children suffer. Damn this memory loss. I keep forgetting the species motto, “It’s not my fault.”
I’m mad & can’t do anything for change but I can enjoy a swim in the idiots misery.
Everyone is entitled to their personal delusion. 😉
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Give up your weapons & suffer the consequences. A different decision would have prevented a Russian invasion. It’s kinda funny that they are superior white Clever Apes, to be so stupid?
Some of us knew that small armed private drones would be weapons of war. So right wing gun nuts want to start a civil war,here?
While they are shooting, someone may be be sitting in a lounge chair & dropping flammables on right wing gun nuts’ homes. Go ahead marksmen,shoot the drones out of the air.
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion
Stupidity is running amuck!
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I’ve had it with Republican bullshit. Everyone does not have to follow their delusions. How about a Left wing backlash? LBGTQ+,Democrats,Progressives,Independents,all people of color can invoke their FREEDOM by boycotting every Republican business. When their businesses lose enough revenue. Rep/Cons will go around hugging LBGTQ+,legal immigrants & people of color. They love their money more than their hatred.
If they can say,post signs & fly flags that say FUCK BIDEN. I’ll invoke my 1st Amendment Rights. FUCK ALL REPUBLICANS & I don’t care how many of their children are killed in school shootings.
The 1st & 2nd Amendment can be hard to live with because they can beat one & their delusional hypocrisy to death.
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If it is true that human population growth is rapidly declining, then that is a sign that NTHE probably isn’t too far away. Of course, 65 million extra people added in 2022 around the world is still alot of people…even if that is 20 to 25 million people less than most of the prior years of the 21st century. Maybe, many people finally realized that the end of civilization is near, so they reduced their breeding? Of course, many people are still breeding. I do believe that human population growth rates are already declining, although human population will continue to exponentially grow…just at a somewhat slower rate. I doubt that human population growth will ever go negative from the number of births being less than the number of deaths…in other words, NTHE is the only thing that will put an end to human population growth for good. There is no way to control human population growth…only collapse of industrial civilization (CoIC) and NTHE can put an end to human population growth. I doubt there will be a bottleneck for the global human population…after CoIC happens, we will probably quickly go extinct.
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Catchy phrase – “New Levels of Economic Destruction”
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-el-nino-climate-change-extreme-weather/?terminal=true
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Just FYI, Cryptocurrency is yet-another capitalist, money-making scheme. It is best to avoid Cryptocurrencies whenever possible, because every Cryptocurrency transaction you make is based off of yet-more usury…aka some middle-men is extracting profit from having you pay back more money than the amount you spend for Cryptocurrency. Let’s say you spend $15 dollars with Cryptocurrency. You need to pay back an extra $1.00 to $1.50 to the Cryptocurrency market…for a total payment of $16.00 to $16.50 on a $15 Cryptocurrency transaction. That sounds like a scam to me…ooophs that is just how usury/interest-payments/capitalism works.
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The American Clever Ape can’t do the math to pay off it’s debt.
Wonder where the rest of the world is with their math classes?
When someone says something they own is worth a given amount,tell them: “Sell it & show me that much cash Tuesday.”
Pretzel logic math.
Looks like someone won’t get paid.
$2.4 trillion currency in circulation.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CURRCIR
~$32 trillion national debt
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
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This article does a good job at exposing what capitalism really is like
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North America gets it done! Let’s have a contest: Who will have the most destructive wildfires, Canada or the U.S.?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/unstoppable-massive-canadian-blazes-test-151924472.html
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Sorry, AGW deniers won’t be able to purchase insurance.
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/06/climate-change-homeowners-insurance-state-farm-california-florida
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I’ve been thinking about what could describe what this species has & is doing to it’s habitat.
Picture this rock as a garage with the door closed & no one can get out. The civilization engine is running,pumping out CO2. With the birth of every new child the engine speeds up.
Anyone’s eyes burning? Having trouble breathing? Feeling light headed? You will be.
Over the last few days I’ve enjoyed watching the massive heat building & setting records,globally. Before long no one will need any winter clothes.
Saw a comment today: ‘It would be nice if people were more concerned about the heat in the Atlantic Ocean than a submersible lost there.’
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Alot of dumbfucks think that Elon Musk will come up with a replacement for fossil fuels and prevent industrial civilization from catastrophically and abruptly collapsing (in the relatively near future). They cite the 30 to 45 minute charging time for the newest model of electric cars, as “proof” that electric cars will soon replace petroleum-based cars. Of course, these fools completely ignore the fact that electricity is NOT an energy source. It is just a transmitter of energy. Most importantly, electric-powered vehicles will never replace fossil fuels as the energy source for the trucks, airplanes, cargo ships, bulldozers and other giant and super-powerful vehicles that run the global supply chains. For transporting goods and resources around the world. Some people make the absurd claim that “renewable” energies (like wind turbines and solar panel) can one hundred percent replace fossil fuels, and it is possible to 100% electricify transportation…this is, of course, a big fat lie. Not only are “renewable” energies completely incapable of replacing fossil fuels, their devices are also made out of finite and nonrenewable mineral and metal resources, which are quickly running out. Just like how fossil fuels are quickly running out. These idiots just don’t want to admit that industrial civilization is rapidly running out of time, and that humanity will soon become extinct, which is what humans completely deserves btw. The day of reckoning is coming…NTHE will most certainly happen. And humans deserve near term extinction btw.
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The “Show Me State” is going to be shown the Constitution.
“So when Missouri’s abortion ban took effect after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year, Barnes and Taves decided to fight back. Along with rabbis and ministers across several denominations, they joined a first-of-its-kind lawsuit arguing Missouri blurred the line between church and state, imposed a particular Christian idea of when life begins over the beliefs of other denominations, and threatened their ability to practice their religions.”
Brace yourselves Red States,the 1st Amendment is coming for you.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/21/legal-strategy-that-could-topple-abortion-bans-00102468
It’s going to be an exciting road trip to NTHE.
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Overpopulation is a scientific fact that people deny because they don’t want to accept that the only logical “solution” to overpopulation is near-term human extinction. Humans are mindless, sex-addicted, reproducers, and only a complete die-off/extinction of the human species will put an end to the exponentially-growing population of rapacious, planet-destroying monkeys.
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I mentioned half a year ago on this blog that the price of everything (except for consumer electronics) is skyrocketing. Except now, the price of consumer electronics is also skyrocketing. I noticed the price of smartphones, laptops, desktop computers and other consumer electronics suddenly go up by (at least) 50% to 60% within just the past four to six weeks. Of course, some consumer electronics haven’t increased in price. Like video game consoles and televisions. But everything else has significiantly increased in price. The price rises are truly shocking. And it is also very obvious…of course, the true reason for the dramatic increases in prices (which is resource depletion and especially peak oil) is never ever mentioned by mainstream media. Instead, we are told that is due to “inflation” from “excess money printing”. And that increasing interest rates will “combat” inflation.
Of course, increasing interest rates will not combat inflation, whatsoever. It will increase the amount of profits banks (and other finanical institutions) make by forcing debtors to pay back more money via higher interest rates, however. The next couple of years (before NTHE finally arrives) will be an opportunity for corporations to make unprescedented profits from price gouging…disguised as “inflation” from “excess money printing”. “Inflation” is really just a code word for “price gouging”.
And your debts will not be “erased” because of “inflation”…because people’s wages/incomes are not really increasing. The price of goods/foods is skyrocketing, meaning people with debt will have an even harder time paying back their debts, since an ever-larger percentage of their wages/income need to be spent on food, rents and other necessities.
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Somebody had an epiphany.
“Eight billion people can’t fix the problem, eight billion people ARE the problem. Every problem we face right now on this planet is man made. It’s self-harm on a global scale.”
With the exception of those that chose to not overpopulate.
https://zensecondlife.blogspot.com/2023/06/technological-meltdown.html
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Here is an another article for your enjoyment. I hope you enjoy this article I just published. https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/2023/06/how-will-capitalism-end.html?m=1
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Regulated capitalism would be a better system if there were no bailouts & severe punishment for any financial crimes. How much usury is appropriate?
No matter what economic system Clever Apes use, it wouldn’t stop the destruction of their habitat. Overpopulation & destruction are genes in it’s DNA?
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When I was a kid in the 1990s and early 2000s, I remember there was countless tall apartment-building skyscrapers in Toronto and its suburbs. During the past 10 to 15 years, these skyscrapers have continued to dramatically increase in numbers. In fact, they are constructing many, many new tall apartment buildings in Toronto RIGHT NOW. Here is a photograph I took of Toronto from a week or two ago. https://www.deviantart.com/dirkderp101/art/968702730
Notice the extremely tall apartment buildings. Many of which were recently built. Many of which are still under construction. Why are there so many tall apartment buildings in big cities? Simply to cram as many people as possible into big cities…this is obviously the result of human overpopulation.
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None of the realists have enough science to give a date and knowing it’s coming is beyond the masses to accept. NTHE will take time & a lot of suffering before many arrive at their destination. I’m not looking forward to the date of my shelf life but it will be a pleasure to watch the clueless & denying overpopulators face the consequences of their decision, while I’m waiting.
We’re finished because it’s too late.
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As for how the collapse will unfold, it will probably be a Seneca Cliff-style sudden and catastrophic collapse. That will happen seemingly without any prior warning. And no, the USA will not emerge “victorous”. We are literally headed towards NTHE, so no one could possibly “win” at World War 3…which will likely happen.
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I’m waiting to see what happens after the next nuclear bomb or missile is detonated in aggression or defense. Old saying: “Don’t start something you can’t finish.” I have no doubt that the Clever Ape can finish the destruction of it’s habitat
I love the glow of thermonuclear explosions at dawn.
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There will be 8,000,000,000 Sads.
“The loss of everything we’ve ever known.”
Did you get that assholes? 😉
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I think it’s kinda arrogant that none of the new commenters are even mentioning the Reddit blackout that led them here to a year-old thread.
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I heard a story today. I can not say for sure if the story is true as I have no direct knowledge. The story was about the extent of Iranian natural gas reserves. But from this story I was able to deduce a figure for the World’s natural gas reserves.
The bottom line for me is that the collapse of industrial civilization will be caused more by the collapse of the environemnt than peak oil. Though peak oil will oslo be a direct factor, though a lesser one.
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The fossil fuel reserves estimates are usually exaggerated. There is most likely much less of it than what is reported. There is probably only 15 to 20 years of oil left (at 2020 rates of extraction) at best. The truth is 1/2 of all recoverable reserves of oil was already gone by 2005/2006. Doing a little bit of math, we have already depleted at least 80% of it by now. Of course, the collapse of the environment is a major factor in humanity’s demise. But global oil extraction is already in perpeutal decline since 2018/2019…of course, this information is being supressed by the governments of the world.
The Earth’s natural resources for humans to exploit have always been scarce…even back in the Stone Age when there was less than a million people on the entire planet. Especially now with 8,000,000,000+ people on this planet. Here is a good example of how scarce fossil fuels really are. Even the thickest oil fields and coal seams are 20 to 30 meters thick at best. And oil fields and coal seams are only located in the relatively thin crust of the Earth. Anything deeper than 2 to 3 km under the ground (whether fossil fuels, mineral ores and any other finite and nonrenewable resource) is physically impossible to mine or extract. Most economically-extractable oil fields and coal seams are just 10 to 15 meters thick…often even thinner than that. And located in very specific areas of the Earth.
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I am surprised that the masses don’t realize that capitalism is a scam by its very nature. Then again, that is probably thanks to the brainwashing by Mainstream Media (MSM) and The Powers That Be (TPTB) that the masses are so utterly brainwashed and stupid. Apparently, most people don’t understand why the rich people are so rich, and the poor people are so poor…hint…it is because of usury aka skimming profits/surplus value from other people’s labour and/or requiring burrowers of money to pay back lenders more money than the amount burrowed via interest payments, that makes the rich so rich and the poor so poor. Yet, apparently very few people understand this reality.
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“In U.S. dollars, global debt reached 235 trillion last year.”
file:///C:/Users/trodg/Downloads/2022-12-12-global-debt-monitor.pdf
Estimates predict there’s around $40 trillion in physical money circulating worldwide today.”
“If you add “broad money,” like cash in bank accounts, demand deposits, mutual funds, and securities, this amount could increase to around $90.4 trillion”. Everyone just try & cash out.
https://moneytransfers.com/news/2022/06/12/how-much-money-is-in-circulation
$235 T minus $90.4 T = $ 144.6 T. in the red
Someone isn’t going to get paid back.
Math is difficult & debt is an ass kicker.
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I wonder who do we own this debt to? Who do we (The People) owe this 235 trillion USD of debt to? I guess there are some guesses…like the global bankers…but that might just be an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Sure, we enlightened people all know who “controls” industrial civilization, but it doesn’t matter who is controlling the world… because the extinction of mankind (in the relatively near future) is literally guranateed.
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There’s an old funny question: Is this a private fight or can anyone join in?
On the SCOTUS decision allowing businesses to discriminate against gays, thank you. Democrats,Progressives & Independents can boycott Republican/Conservative businesses,FREEDOM! Make lists of these businesses that support the Rightwing agenda thru out the country, make the lists go viral & don’t spend one cent in these businesses, FREEDOM! Watch them abandon the Rightwing agenda. Get into someone’s wallet & you will get their attention. How much reduction of revenue can these businesses stand before they stop pushing their fascist delusions onto the American people?
Sucker punch ’em. 😉
What’s wrong with me? Retard Dems, Progs & Indys won’t do anything but complain. Doing nothing is a great way to surrender one’s, FREEDOM. 😉
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There is no Jewish conspiracy behind all the ills of the world. What is 100% true is that we live in a world of permanent resource scarcity, as many doomers have correctly pointed out. Since the first humans existed in prehistoric times, the world’s natural resources were ALWAYS scarce. The world’s resources were scarce, even when the global human population was under 1,000,000 people back in the Stone Age. Now, with 8,000,000,000+ people on this planet, resource scarcity is an ever-increasing problem.
Here is a good example of how severe the human overpopulation problem really is. Back 50,000 years ago, there were only 50,000 to 100,000 humans in Europe at the PEAK/HIGHEST POPULUTION of the Stone Age. Fast forward to 2023 AD, there is now 700,000,000 + humans living in Europe alone. There is now (at least) 10,000 to 50,000 times more people living in Europe today than 50,000 years ago. Our global human population of 8,000,000,000+ people (in 2023) obviously cannot be sustained for much longer. What (almost) nobody mentions is that human overpopulation might be the primary culprit for why near-term human extinction is gonna happen.
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But couldn’t we say that
human ‘population’ is the
downstream symptom of the
intrinsic –
LIE CHEAT STEAL
EAT BURN PROCREATE
character
of the human race?
Blame the OTHER. Damn the consequences.
There was a fatal flaw in the not-so-accidental design of
evolution
that brought about the
domination of the human species
on planet earth..
Its now the inevitable consequence we are witnessing
Not to metion the rediculous false beliefs we hold up to
avoid the truth.
Confuse deny and obfuscate the reality of the situation.
check out this fascinating but horrifying experiment from the way back:
John Bumpass Calhoun (May 11, 1917 – September 7, 1995)
was an American ethologist and behavioral researcher noted for his studies of population density and its effects on behavior. He claimed that the bleak effects of overpopulation on rodents were a grim model for the future of the human race.
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Let’s celebrate our FREEDOM! Everyone is free to be shot down on the streets,in businesses & schools. Death by gun might be easier than death by AGW.
One never hears the discharge or the bullet that kills them.
Sad state of affairs.
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I heard Michael Ruppert state (in 2010) that once China falls, the rest of industrial civilization will quickly fall with it. And based on the overwhelming evidence, it is obvious that China’s collapse is very near…probably before 2030, meaning the rest of industrial civilization will collapse along with China. This is simply because China is one of the key locations of the global supply chains. And once China collapses, the rest of the world’s global supply chains will quickly collapse. Once China collapses, the whole world will quickly collapse into anarchy and extinction along with China. Once World War 3 (WW3) happens, NTHE will become unavoidable. There will be no “winners” of WW3 because no humans will survive it. I do believe that WW3 will happen relatively soon…which will trigger China to collapse. And then, the rest of the world quickly collapses, too.
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I’ve watched a couple of YouTube videos about all the big corporations that are moving to Vietnam from China. All the tofu construction is amazing, some of it has stood for longer than one could expect. An example is the Chinese that walk up to a fence or columns & push them over. Let’s not forget about the abandoned mega cities. How many Chinese will lose their life savings? How’s that extremist communism working out,if one could call it communism?
China collapse? Who’s going to manufacture all the crap the stupid American consumers buy?
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You should know better than to call China a “communist” country. China is a state capitalism country pretending to be “communist”. Just like how the USA pretends to be a “democratic” country when it is really just a corporate-fascist country. The people call China a communist country as a “smear” tactic because of the anti-communist propaganda of the West. When in fact, there existed no real communist countries in modern history. So-called “communist” countries (like USSR and China) have privately-owned corporations that are run by the state. State-owned corporations, hence state capitalism. Communism would imply that the working class owned the means of production. That has never been successfully implemented on any meaningful scale in history. The means of production in so-called “communist” countries was/is controlled by an elite group of capitalists that worked for the state. Really so-called “planned” economies aren’t actually socialist/communist…they just meant that capitalists/owning class were under more tight government control than so-called “free” market economies.
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Those people having offspring are doing exactly what The Powers That Be (TPTB) want them to do…producing more stupid, mindless consumers via sexual reproduction. TPTB want/need endless human population growth to “sustain” our unsustainable, pyramid scheme, global economy. I obviously know what sex is like…although I have zero biological offspring. I have a younger sister. And neither us have any offspring. I plan on having zero offspring…look, if sex is such a “wonderful” thing, how come there is human overpopulation?
Look, on the “bright side”…at least human population growth has dropped down to a “mere” 60 to 65 million extra people per year…rather than 90 million extra people per year. Still, human population is exponentially growing. Even 0.8% growth rate per year means a doubling time in around 100 years. Of course, it is very, very unlikely there be twice as many people on Earth by the year 2123 AD. I doubt there will be a single human on Earth before this century is over, given the current trajectory we are on. Even if human population growth dropped down to 0% and human population stabilized at 8 billion people, it is probably already too late to prevent NTHE.
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Here is how grim our reality is. Even if a large number of people suddenly realized the unsustainability of industrial civilization, that would do absolutely nothing to prevent NTHE from happening. Because, let’s say 1% of the 8,000,000,000+ people currently alive on Earth (or around 80,000,000 people worldwide) realized that industrial civilization will soon collapse, how exactly are they gonna prepare to “survive” it? The 99% of ignorant people will quickly kill off the 1% of doomsday preppers when SHTF happens. How exactly can the 1% of “enlightened” doomers do to save themselves when Apocalyptic social strife happens? Let alone when the global supply chains completely and permanently collapse? Simply, there is literally no way of preparing for collapse of industrial civilization (CoIC) when that day finally arrives. All you can do is enjoy the finite amount of time left before that day finally arrives. I am fairly certain that many doomers–prophesizing collapse right now– will live long enough to witness CoIC actually happen. And what reward do you receive for making it to the end of the finish line? It is not like any human is gonna survive CoIC because it, mostly likely, means NTHE.
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I’m waiting for Helter Skelter to arrive at the self centered, hypocritical, narcissistic, we ‘re better than the 99%’s front door. Let’s see if money will protect them from the masses that have done without under unregulated capitalism.
“Outspoken climate activist…”
https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/steven-spielberg-oceanco-720-superyacht.php
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Like I mentioned many times on the comments section of this blog, capitalism is literally no different from usury…which is extremely obvious to any well-educated person. Yet, many people pretend that it isn’t. These doomsday deniers call us “anti-Semites” for pointing out the obvious unsustainability and unequality of capitalism.
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Btw they are constructing many, many new jails and prisons in Canada, the USA and in other “developed” countries of the world. This is proof of the ever-growing police state of the world, as industrial civilization continues to rapidly decline. The elites know that crime will skyrocket…so they have prepared the construction of many new jails and prisons to extract profit from the newly-incarerated people. Welcome to our the Orwellian police state of the 21st century.
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Humanity is obviously an evolutionary dead-end that will go extinct relatively soon. The evidence for this is literally everywhere. We are still locked-into the infinite-growth paradigm in 2023. An example of this would be the fact that humans pretend that AI (Artificial Intelligence) will “solve” the congestion of automobiles on the roads of the road…sure AI is coming to the “rescue”.
Peak oil is 100% real. Global oil extraction did indeed peak at 92 million barrels per day (mbpd) in 2018/2019. It dropped to 88 mbpd in 2020. 85 mbpd in 2021. And 81 mbpd in 2022. And it is probably continuing to plummet right now. Peak oil might be the “secret” behind the skyrocketing food prices. Yet, the governments of the world pretend that they are reducing oil extraction to reduce CO2 emissions…rather than admitting that global oil extraction is starting to plummet due to the fact the overwhelming majority of global oil reserves have already been depleted.
The clock towards humanity’s extinction is ticking forward. Everyday that passes is one day closer to humanity’s near term extinction (NTE).
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Cool,
Do you think that some have already asked AI what baboon brains can do to stop NTHE?
If they have, the response might have been,”Too Late”. Would anyone have the nerve to post that answer due to the criticism they would receive?
“ticking forward”,reminds me of Pink Floyd’s ‘Ticking away the moments that make up a [stupid species].’
My biggest problem during End Times is spell check criticizing my spelling.
🙂
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Information Technology (IT) has exponentially increased the transfer of information for the masses to access. Unfortunately, IT has none absolutely nothing to fix the fundamental problems of the world…the Internet Age has only made a small percentage of people aware of the impending and relatively imminent demise of Homo Sapiens…with no way of preventing NTHE. Especially when you realize that there is no way of saving Homo Sapiens when there is 8,000,000,000+ people on this planet, with our entire civilization completely and utterly dependent on just-in-time global supply chains to keep those 8 billion+ people alive. These supply chains will most certainly collapse–relatively soon–and there literally being no way for any of us to survive without these supply chains.
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Hey Prince,
Found some purple rain… of death & destruction.
Wonder how many on democratic underground are in a state of denial? Denial doesn’t have specific politics, economics or religion.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218074496
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Our consumer capitalist society is absolutely filled with advertisments. Ads on the streets, ads in your apartment mailbox, ads on billboards, ads on televisions, ads on the Internet, ads in your email, etc. Advertisments literally everywhere, 24/7. Even when you have ad block on the Internet, most of the content on social media is advertisement by itself. Like reviews of various consumer products on Youtube and various news/blogging websites. Enticing people to constantly buy products and services that they don’t really need.
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Hey fools! Your gold won’t buy you another habitat.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/07/gold-rush-deep-sea-devastation-seabed-oceans?CMP=share_btn_tw
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I see many young students attending university right now…and I assume that a disproportionate percentage of them will soon be fucked by enormous student loan debts! Even if a young person avoids the higher-education debt trap, there are countless other forms of debt to fuck them over with. Like credit card debt, automobile loan debt, mortgages and countless other forms of debt! Of course, alot of people might say, “nobody forced them to get into debt. It is their fault that they got into debt in the first place”. That statement conveniently ignores the fact that our global economy is a pyramid scheme that must depend on getting as many people into debt as possible…in order to continue the wealth transfer of the lower and middle class’ finanicial assets into the pockets of the elite, ruling class!
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The world cannot be “saved” via some new technologies. There is no new technology coming to “save” the world. The world is literally being destroyed by 8,000,000,000+ rapacious monkeys (called humans)…and that includes everyone on these doomer sites. The human overpopulation problem continues to be ignored or denied by most people…even though it is the primary reason why humanity is doomed in the first place.
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Just FYI, “communism” is just controlled opposition by The Powers That Be (TPTB)…”controlled opposition” means opposition that is controlled by TPTB to give the masses the illusion that there is “free speech” going on…when in fact our entire society is really just a totalitarian dictatorship. They just use “communism” as the boogie man for justifying how unbridled capitalism is “good” for humanity! Of course, I don’t believe that communism is a viable “solution” for humanity’s problems, but it is obvious how badly capitalism is working out for the masses/99%/commoners. There is no “solution” to civilization’s problems…except for near-term human extinction (NTHE), of course! “Communism” is not the solution to capitalism…NTHE is the only solution, to be 100% honest with you guys. And NTHE will happen soon enough. And there is nothing that the establishment can do to prevent it from happening…except by pretending that NTHE won’t happen.
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When I was a kid/teenager, I used to dream of making a living from drawing comic books/cartoons. I eventually discovered how unrealistic that “dream” was. I eventually figured out that wageslave labour is a better source of income…even if the pay is tiny, at least it is a more reliable source of income than art/music.
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Just FYI, there is always a shortage of jobs and too many people needing a job (for a source of income)…in our global economy. Simply put, there are always too few jobs…and too many potential employees needing a job for a source of income. Around the entire world. I would assume the number of unemployed/jobless people around the entire world is in the hundreds of millions (if not over a billion) right now…of course, the governments and mainstream media (MSM) always underreports the unemployment/jobless figures in our economy (for obvious reasons). MSM can never tell the masses how serious our socio-economic issues truly are…otherwise, that would provoke massive social unrest in society. The unemployment/joblessness/ poverty problems will continue to worsen, as time goes by…since we are already on the permanent downwards slope of global oil extraction. Permanent and perpeutal decline in global oil extraction results in less stuff being produced by the global economy…meaning less revenues for corporations/ governments…meaning less income available for employees/workers… meaning more unemployment/joblessness/ poverty/ starvation, misery, etc for the masses/99%.
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I read several articles claiming that there is an allegedly Jewish conspiracy behind capitalism. No, there isn’t. Capitalism is simply what happens as the next logic step from feudalism. Just like how feudalism/empires was the next logical step from chattel slavery. And how chattel slavery/kingdoms was the logical step from chiefdoms.
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What about the Jewish space lasers? 😉
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Like I said many times before, very few people dare mention that overpopulation might be why we are facing the predicament of NTHE.
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There will be a test on the following required reading tomorrow.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/07/11/11th-july-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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Apparently, the masses are so brainwashed by corporate mainstream media that they think that they are actually “free”. When in fact, they are literally completely enslaved by the corporations. In fact, they are usually offended when I point out how utterly enslaved we are to capitalism. They call me a “conspiracy theorist” for pointing out humanity’s total enslavement to capitalism. And how humanity is literally headed towards near term extinction.
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When the fan blows the shit back into deniers faces they may then get the message. When the lack of food forces obese gluttons to lose weight they can buy new wardrobes.Their priorities are everywhere except their habitat but that won’t last for much longer?
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Overpopulation is easy to deny because most people don’t understand how food is grown and distributed around the world. Most people don’t understand how REALLY dependent industrial civilization is of fossil fuels. Which makes overpopulation easy to deny. Nor do they understand the reality of peak oil. Once you understand the reality of peak oil and how food is grown/distributed around the world, then it becomes obvious how severe the overpopulation problem really is.
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Blaming “rich” and “priveleged” people for “overconsumption” is somewhat unfair because it is not because rich people are actually overconsuming stuff. It might be that only a relatively small percentage of the world’s human population can live in relative material abundance due to overpopulation and resource scarcity. There simply isn’t enough resources on this planet to allow the bottom 80% to 90% of the human population to live resource-rich lifestyles. And the top 10% of the world’s population will simply not give up their relative material abundance to “help the poor”.
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As this species approaches it’s end, I would not want to be one of the 10%.
“When people lose everything & have nothing left to lose,they lose it.”
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Btw, the rapidly increasing price of food is due to the rapidly increasing cost of the raw materials used for growing crops and manufacturing processed food. Everything from the artificial fertilizers, to fuel for farm machinery, to the seeds for growing crops, to irrigation water, etc is rapidly increasing in cost for farmers. Who then pass on these costs onto food manufacturers (like potato chip factories) i.e. the potato chip factories are now buying their potatoes at a much higher cost than before. Who then pass on these higher costs onto supermarkets in the form of higher food prices for customers. Despite the higher price of food, many farmers and food manufacturers are struggling to make a profit because the raw materials used to grow and manufacture food is now too damn expensive. I recall that several prominent scientists (in the early 2000s) predict the possibility of catastrophic global famine within 2025 to 2035. Could these skyrocketing food prices be a sign that global agriculture is starting to fail? And that catastrophic global famine is only 2 to 3 years away from now?
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I’ve been thinking about lighter topics. What’s more stupid than buying bottled water for one’s entitled demand for convenience regardless of cost & plastic bottles, which may or may not be recycled?
Tattoos & body piercings that can’t protect them or their friends & loved ones from NTHE.
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Human beings–like other all other animals–is evolved to deal with immediate threats–like being attacked by a predatory animal. We simply cannot comprehend long-term and hidden threats–like global warming and plastics pollution.
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I am not sure if anyone on this site has mentioned this point yet…but there is clearly overproduction of luxury items…like video games, animated cartoons and live action films. Especially since the 1990s. Back in the 1950s, 60s, 70s and 80s, animated cartoons and live action film was all produced via analog tools and could only be broadcasted on cable television. There used be an obvious bottleneck in the production of mass media. In other words, it was possible to limit the production and distribution of mass media before the profileration of PCs (Personal Computers) and the Internet…to a certain extent. Since the 1990s and onwards, live-action film and animated cartoons were increasingly produced via digital technology and less dependent on analog technology. This has quickly resulted in the overproduction of mass media. Especially from 2000 and onwards with the advent of social media. Not only was mass media becoming increasingly overproduced, but the cost of mass-distributing it was also exponentially decreased. Thus resulting in an ever-increasing overproduction of mass media. And this overproduction of mass media continues to this day.
Spoiler alert: Of course, none of this overproduction of mass media could prevent Malthusian, global famine from eventually happening…since global human population has been growing at a faster pace than any possible increases in crop yields/food production…this was the case (at least as far back) as the 1990s. Now, we have an excess population of human beings, and global food production is literally starting to rapidly decline/plummet. Resulting in skyrocketing food prices. We are probably only a few years before global famine literally starts to kill off countless billions of people across the entire world…literally simultaneously.
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Sure, you can download 5 gigabytes worth of video games, television shows and other digital files onto your computer (or some other digital storage device) using high-speed Internet over the span of about 1 hour…if your Internet speed is fast enough. But what good will that do when the fossil fuel-powered, global supply chains catastrophically and permanently collapse in the relatively near future? Can you download food and other essential physical supplies from the Internet when the global supply chains have collapsed? No, you simply cannot. You actually cannot download any essential physical goods from the Internet (i.e. food, clothing and water) even when the global supply chains are fully functional…let alone when the supply chains collapse. And downloading digital food (and other digitial items) for your character in an online video game DOES NOT COUNT. When the global supply chains collapse (in the relatively near future), not only will your online video game accounts permanently go away. But the 8,000,000,000+ real human beings on the planet will literally cease to exist from the physical world, too.
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I just realized how important modern medicine and surgery really is. Without it, many people would die prematurely. For example, dental cavities can easily result in premature death…if such cavities are left untreated. This means that dentists have saved countless human beings from premature death. And I need to get rid of two cavities (that are now developing in my teeth). Or I might die of premature death.
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I apologize for reposting this video. But the following video is worth listening to for any doomers.
This above video addresses many of the most profound problems of humam civilization.
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One disagreement with Richard: It is all our fault.
Everyone be proud of what you’ve done because you deserve it.
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Please, note that Richard Manning states the blunt truth (that nobody else admits)…that agriculture is fundamentally unsustainable. There is no such thing as “ecologically-friendly” agriculture. Agriculture inevitably leads to soil erosion/top soil depletion, human overpopulation, catastrophic ecological destruction, social stratification/economic inequality, war, pestilence, famine, and all the other nasty side-effects of human civilization. Human civilization cannot exist without agriculture. And if agriculture is fundamentally unsustainable, then that also means that human civilization is fundamentally unsustainable.
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What size container does it take to boil 8 billion frogs?
One the size of a planet.
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One person mentioned on this site (a few years back) that only one group of people might be able to survive without the global supply chains. And that is the Northern Sentinelese Islanders. Everyone else will quickly die when the global supply chains permanently collapse (in the relatively near future). And even those few, non-civilized hunter and gatherer tribes (if they still exist on this planet in 2023. Which is a big “IF”) will soon perish after industrial civilization collapses…due to the rapid increase in global average temperatures from the removal of the Aerosol Masking Effect. Not to mention the extinction-causing radiation from the 450+ nuclear reactors around the world.
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It is obvious that agriculture…especially large-scale agriculture (that all human civilizations depend on btw) is fundamentally unsustainable. But, how we can support our unbelievably, enormous 8,000,000,000+ people, global human population without large-scale agriculture? In fact, how can we continue producing (and distributing) enough food for our severely-overpopulated world (global human population is still exponentially growing, in 2023, despite lower/declining birth rates)? You simply cannot…for much longer.
Therefore, global, Malthusian, civilization-ending, human extinction-inducing famine is 100% inevitable in the relatively near future…not just because of climate change, but many other reasons, too.
Just because people in the 21st century have access to “advanced” modern technologies–like smartphones and automobiles–doesn’t make us any less vulnerable to famine. In fact, people in the 21st century are even much more vulnerable to famine than the people of earlier human civilizations. Especially since modern, industrial civilization is 100% dependent on just-in-time, global supply chains (all powered by fossil fuel energy, of course) for its food production/distribution…not to mention all of our other needs/desires…like modern medicine, telecommunications/Internet, electricity, construction, and literally everything else imaginable in industrial civilization…literally, every aspect of industrial civilization is directly or indirectly dependent on fossil fuels.
It is obvious that NTHE is unavoidable. People, in pre-industrial civilizations, could still somewhat survive using food/resources extracted from local sources. Meaning, when famine struck (in the past), it was only local…affecting only certain countries and specific regions of the world, at once. Now, the entire world’s human population is completely, 100% dependent on food/resources extracted from far away places on every corner of the globe. When global famine strikes in the near future, it will almost certainly lead to NTHE…especially since all of the world’s natural resources are already severely depleted, at this point.
Even in the unlikely scenario that complete human extinction doesn’t happen in the near future, at least 99.999% of the Earth’s current 8 billion + human population will perish in the relatively near future. If we are extremely “lucky”, only a couple of hundred people (or literally only a few thousand people) literally across the entire world might “survive” the collapse of industrial civilization…although it is much more likely that a complete, 100% extinction of humanity will happen. And NTHE will most certainly happen very abruptly and catastrophically… seemingly without any “prior” warnings, even though the evidence for NTHE is absolutely overwhelming.
Just my two cents.
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Let’s hope that any survivors aren’t assholes.
Now that’s some wishful thinking when this species is worse than that.;-)
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Just FYI, the bottom 90% of humanity has access to less than 1,000 US dollars at any given moment. So yes, most people are literally living paycheck-to-paycheck. If they lose their job for even a few months, they quickly run out of all their money.
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What if COVID-19 is just a political ploy? It is possible that COVID-19 doesn’t even exist in the first place. And it was just invented as a means to reduce/destroy the demand for oil, to delay the inevitable date when the global supply chains permanently collapse, and NTHE finally arrives. Global oil extraction is already starting to rapidly decline. And now, the elites need to reduce/destroy the demand for oil to buy themselves a few extra years of time. Before NTHE finally arrives. So the elites are diverting our attention away from peak oil. To pretend that industrial civilization will never end. Just a PsychOps tactic…to pretend that Business-As-Usual can last forever.
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RCS,
From where I sit Covid-19 was either the strangest new desease to ever appear in the human population, or it was largely a political ploy (psycological operation). If it was a psy op, the implication would be that it was the largest campaign of lying (involving the most people that knew that they were actually lying) by far in human history.
Large parts of the human population have been socialized to discount the role of conspiracies in human history. These missocialized people will never be able to understand what is really going on in the world. Such people can not even accept that there was a conspiracy among people in high levels of the US government to murder President Kennedy, or that people at the highest levels of the US government had advance warning of the 9-11 attacks and let them happen anyways. People who can not accept any conspiratorial explinations will never believe that Covid-19 was a PSY-0P. There is no point in debating the issue with someone who claims to be a Virologist because it seems that this whole branch of science has been corrupted for someone’s politcal gain.
Even though I believe that the pandemic was largely a psy-op it does seem that there really was something going around, and that what was going around was probally new. First of all there had to be something that would actually cause a positive or a negative test. I do wonder though if the tests could have been designed to give a positive result when a different covid virus was present. Even before the pandemic I read that covid viruses were responsible for something like 20% of all colds.
I tested positive for the first time this past spring. I had symptoms that were so mild that it was laughable. But something that was knew for me was that I had a mild headache for 3 or 4 days. I very rarely get headaches and I have never had one for more than an hour before. After 3 or 4 days I had no symptoms at all. But I continued to test positive for almost 2 weeks. Some one else in my family had more severe symptoms for 4 or 5 days and then tested negative repeatedly before the symptoms even dissapeared.
In the past when people had a desease, chicken pox, scarlet fever, mumps, the symptoms were unmistakable and UNIFORM.
In the past when a new desease entered the human population the YOUNG and the old suffered very heavily.
The main questions that people should really be asking is not whether the pandemic was a psy 0p or not but who is responsible for it and what the motive (or motives) was (were).
With the MSM no longer being a tool to spread information but a tool to spread social control for the wealthy and the MIC normal people no longer have access to reliable information about what is going on in the world. Perhaps normal people never did have access to reliable information about the world events.
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I forgot to mention the 9-11 attack. It is pretty obvious to me that, at a minimum, high level officials in the US government knew about the attack in advance. But they let the attack happen anyways. Huge number of fools can not or will not accept the idea that high level US officials could do such a thing.
Then once a person accepts the idea that US officials deliberately did not stop the attacks. The person would ask why they did that. Well it would not take long to come up with an answer to that question. At that point some people might wonder if these same officials that let the attacks happen might not have also actually set the wheels in motion for the attacks to happen. It is an easy step to take because if there was a motive not to stop the attacks there was a motive not to leave it to chance that the attacks would take place.
Large number of young US males joined the US military after 9-11. A catchy phrase, but evil phrase, that came about during that time, which is still used today, is we have to fight (or kill) them overthere so we do not have to do it here. The real meaning of that phrase is that other distant people have to bear all of our lifes risks while we bear none.
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This article might be just “preaching to the choir”, but I will still post it here for your enjoyment…
https://www.leftvoice.org/corporatism-is-a-feature-of-capitalism-not-a-bug/
The following quote from that article is really noteworthy: “”“Combination of production” is none other than the rise of monopoly capitalism. This effect can be seen in the present day as well not only in the direct buying out of small businesses by larger ones, but also in the replacement of independent “mom and pop” establishments by chain stores. It is generally in tough times that “combination” happens most, as companies rarely go out of business when they are doing very well. In many areas local, independent businesses are replaced by corporate chains as landlords raise rents.””
See? The system was/is rigged the whole time! And the masses have almost no chance of “winning” at capitalism.
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Here is a nice video pointing out the absurdities and unsustainability of industrial civilization.
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This following comment I made about capitalism is 100% true. Here it is for your enjoyment…””The truth be told is that you have almost no chance of making enough money to survive in our economy (let alone “prosper” and “succeed” in it) unless you are extremely lucky. As in you are born into a wealthy family. Or you have inherited wealth and social status. Or if you are a greedy, thieving person. Our society certainly does not reward honesty, hard-work, or good virtue. It rewards those who can most successfully scam and rip-off other people. Like business people, lawyers, politicians and sales people.””
https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-honest-truth-about-capitalism.html?m=1
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I obviously don’t believe that NTHE will happen on a specific date i.e. 2026 or 2030…because the elites can delay NTHE for as long as humanly (or inhumanly) possible by simply destroying/reducing the demand for fossil fuels/food/other resources and/or industrial products. Even when global oil extraction drops down to a measely 40 million barrels per day (MBPD) by 2030, the elites could still potentially delay NTHE by simply destroying/reducing the demand for fossil fuels (and other resources). And I assume that the elites are already starting this viscious demand destruction by setting up and implementing their draconian police state…which has already been happening during the past 15 to 20 years.
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I think we are in the beginning of NTHE & just think how much fun we will have when it goes exponential.
I’m still waiting to see news anchors have to report the end of Clever Ape life on this rock as it happens.
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I’m waiting to see a huge global city or two left in a pile of ashes. What the Maui victims were thinking before the fires: “It can’t happen here.”?
Exciting times will be had by all, just not fun. How’s this species going to deal with less & less everyday until their deserved end?
Dying stupid is not a good line item to place on a bucket list.
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Don’t rely on Wikipedia for reliable information and facts. What most people don’t know is that Wikipedia is really just a corporate-owned, non-profit organization. Wikipedia pretends to be “unbiased and an accurate source of information”. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Wikipedia only presents information that the corporate-state wants the masses to know. While it is also being used to intentionally mislead the masses via intentionally spreading false information by the corporate-state… i.e. they pretend that overpopulation isn’t a scientific fact, they downplay the dangers of abrupt climate change, they pretend that resource depletion isn’t real, they pretend that our capitalist global economy isn’t just a scam and pyramid scheme. “Wikipedia is a reliable source of information”, my ass. Wikipedia is a simply a corporate-owned, non-profit organization i.e. it pretends to not be controlled by corporations. And it, therefore, pretends that its information isn’t skewed in favor of the corporate-state…which isn’t actually true. Wikipedia presents its “unbiased facts” motto as a trick to brainwash the masses into believing that Wikipedia isn’t actually being controlled by the corporations…when in fact, it really is.
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I’ve think I’ll add a new entry to Wikipedia.
“Everyone involved in Wikipedia,their friends & loved ones are going to die from overpopulation caused global warming.”
There is not enough money or delusions to protect anyone from NTHE.
Probably be rejected for long title or because they can’t handle the truth.
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Since Trump thinks his Freedom of Speech is infringed, should his opposition go to Mara-La-Go & yell, “FIRE”?
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If ignorance is bliss, we have a lot of happy planetary inhabitants.
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I have no use for Rep/Con but Ronald Reagan was correct.
Trust but verify. And call out the liars as liars.
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Btw, the global economy has already been in a permanent depression since the 2008/2009 economic crash…several billion adult people around the world are currently unemployed/ underemployed. The global economy is not ever “recovering”. The only reason societal collapse hasn’t happened yet is because easy credit is propping up consumerism in the 2010s and early 2020s. And peak oil is the secret behind the skyrocketing global food prices.
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Mother Nature has had just about enough of humans, and, frankly, so have I. – Kyle Keegan
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Our capitalist industrial civilization is simply a ridiculous affair. There is simply too much stuff being mass-produced i.e. too many computers, television shows and automobiles being mass-manufactured. And most humans are severely overworked and underpaid. Yet, ironically, (almost) everyone is addicted to shopping, to compensate for the boring and grueling work they need to perform… to survive in this world. And this consumption is of stuff that people really don’t need (for the most part). I mean, who needs more and more fucking flatscreen televisions? Yet, most of these consumer, workoholic morons are purchasing more and more of this unnecessary garbage (that they really don’t need). LoL at these people buying more and more consumer electronics and other mass-produced crap (garbage that they really don’t need). Capitalism really boils down to nothing but mindless consumerism aka consumption for the sake of consumption. If owning these items were actually useful or brought joy to people’s lives, then it could be somewhat justifiable, but it actually isn’t. People are constantly buying more and more stuff because their lives are just shitty and pointless. And they need consumerism to fill a void in their meaningless and shitty lives.
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Of course collapse is here. That great American Law & Order is being laughed at by the rest of the world.
Donald Trump,Mike Pence & Joe Biden had in their possession,as private citizens?, governmental documents & not one is in jail.
My ass would have been immediately arrested & I would have been tried & probably convicted, enjoying free room & board for years.
I’m trying to avoid offending anyone, but fuck Republicans,Democrats,Progressives,Independents & Americans who didn’t vote. My consolation is that Anthropogenic Global Warming is going to make them pay. 8 billion baboon brains’ value systems is not a concern for NTHE.
“If you aren’t mad as hell,you’re not paying attention.”
I celebrate the misery that the fools have brought upon themselves.
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The Alt-Right is full out denying global warming, as usual. There seems to be mass denial of NTHE, even though the evidence for NTHE is absolutely overwhelming. Keep in mind that global warming is merely a single symptom of the unsustainability of industrial civilization. Industrial civilization is nothing but an endless web of contradictions. And the global elites are intentionally suppressing the truth from the masses…again, anyone, thinking that NTHE won’t happen, is seriously delusional or just plain stupid.
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I think we’ve been preaching to the choir.
Breaking! The choir is empty! They’re in denial!
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LoL at all those morons browsing the Internet with Microsoft, fucking Windows. Windows is intentionally designed to be extremely easy to hack and infect with malware. I have an old laptop from 2012, that I use for watching dvd(s) and making digital artwork. I almost never connect that laptop to the Internet…since it runs on fucking Windows software. My laptop doesn’t have any malware on it because I simply use it as a dvd player, or as hardware/software for creating digital artwork. I transfer my finished artwork from my laptop onto my smartphone. And then, I upload my art from my smartphone. I almost never connect my laptop directly to the Internet. And yesterday, I connected my laptop onto the Internet for about 1/2 hour. And it was amazing how many scams/malware is on the Internet these days to infect/hack stupid Windows users lol. I didn’t get infected by malware yesterday btw (thankfully). After a quick browse of the Internet on my laptop (from yesterday), I am glad that I almost never use Windows for Internet browsing anymore…yet millions of clueless idiots are still browsing the Internet with fucking Microsoft Windows.
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I think there are bigger ripoffs.
The only thing worse than hackers,scammers & malware is allowing Central Banks to manipulate interest rates at will, picking & choosing what interest & at what time, somebody needs a written schedule, & other banks to create money out of thin air. “Give me a $1000 & I’ll turn it into $10,000.” The magic show will be appearing at an arena in one’s city & the spectators will believe.
I expect very little to nothing from the Clever Ape with the exception of going extinct.
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The fact that the elites are suppressing the realities of peak oil/NTHE on social media (like YouTube and Facebook) is more than enough proof that it is real…not just it is real, but also that it is literally unavoidable and only a couple years away. If peak oil/NTHE was/is fake news, then why would be the elites be systematically suppressing it on social media? It is because it is 100% real … and the elites don’t want you to know about it.
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I just encountered a scammer on social media…he was apparently interested in “purchasing” my online art for 500 dollars for a single artwork…if only I gave him my bank account and cell phone number…I quickly realized that he was a scammer, so I blocked him ASAP.
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Regardless of how smart scammers think they are or how much money they steal, they can’t block NTHE from scamming their life force. One might say: They lose it all. What’s sad is they probably don’t have a clue. If habitat doesn’t seem to have any monetary value, it’s worthless to this species.
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This is a repost of one of my older messages, but I think it is worth reposting…. “”Beware… there are scammers on DeviantArt…and just about any other website…pretending to be regular users….if someone is asking you for your bank account (or some other confidential online account), they could be a scammer, who is trying to steal your credit card (or other personal/finanicial information). You should block such a user ASAP, before they manage to scam you””
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Let’s not forget about our weekend reading.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/08/26/26th-august-2023-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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There is no point in debating with the overpopulation/reality deniers. They are still pretending that NTHE won’t happen…they are still denying reality…they are still pretending that peak oil isn’t real. In fact, many of them are so delusional that they think that there actually exists some magical, yet-to-be-discovered energy source and resource that can replace fossil fuels. What a bunch of fools.
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Just FYI, the global capitalist elites use a plethora of PsyOp tricks to enforce the status quo of capitalism. First, they use controlled opposition aka they hire people that pretend to oppose the status quo. They invented “socialism” and “communism” as controlled opposition to capitalism. They fabricate evidence for how bad “socialism” is…when in fact, socialism never existed at any point in the history of human civilization…not even in the Soviet Union…Soviet “socialism”? More like state capitalism, am I right? Yep, that is correct.
And the elites control the entire fucking media…including the Internet. So they spread a whole bunch of lies and deception to pretend that industrial capitalism will never end. Of course, they pretend that peak oil isn’t real, because they never want to admit that industrial capitalism is a pyramid scheme that will eventually collapse. And that collapse will happen much sooner than (almost) anyone could expect. In fact, I strongly suspect that NTHE is probably just 5 to 10 years away at maximum. How do I know this? The elites are now increasing their censorship of peak oil and the impending collapse of industrial civilization…on the Internet. If NTHE was fake information, you can bet your ass the elites wouldn’t be desperately censoring it. But it is 100% real, which is why NTHE is vigorously being suppressed on social media by the elites and intelligence agencies of the world.
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This drawing, that I drew (a few days ago), does a good job at depicting industrial civilization. I hope you enjoy it.
https://www.deviantart.com/neptuniafan1990/art/Cool-Drawing-of-Industrial-Buildings-with-Krita-979821607
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Here is my honest advice for fellow doomers and everyone else in our unsustainable, industrial civilization…””I encourage people to be as wasteful and consumptive as possible, to deplete the Earth’s finite and nonrenewable resources as quickly as possible, to bring forward NTHE as quickly as possible.”” There is absolutely no point in delaying NTHE by conserving resources and minimizing consumption (for non-existent future generations of our soon-to-be-extinct clever ape species)…these finite and nonrenewable resources will be soon all gone anyways (relatively soon, in a blink-of-an-eye, geologically-speaking)…so it is only logical to use them up as quickly as possible. Might as well use up a one-time “gift” of nonrenewable and finite natural resources as quickly and wastefully as possible…fuck the “future” generations of humans…humanity is inevitably gonna go extinct relatively soon anyways, so use all of the available resources on the Earth as quickly as possible.
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I am doing my fair share of speeding up the day when NTHE arrives. I just bought a new Samsung tablet computer, a new external 1 tb hard drive, and a whole bunch of other pointless consumer electronics, during the past couple of months alone. Not to mention, I drove my automobile over 1,000 km, during the past month alone. And I also bought a whole bunch of paper, book-based novels from Amazon and Indigo during the past couple of months/years alone. Btw, everyone is (unintentionally) speeding up the day when NTHE arrives, by merely existing on this planet (and thus continually consuming its finite and nonrenewable resources). What have you guys recently done to accelerate resource depletion, to bring forward NTHE? I wanna know, just out of curiosity.
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Cool,
I have always followed the advice:Use it up,wear it out,make it do, do without. It’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I have needed to replace a freezer, computer speakers, headphones. Bought hearing aids today,now I’ll be able to hear the 7 brilliant voices in my head more clearly. Next will be a dishwasher. If the end drags out the overpopulators & deniers will have a longer time to suffer. Consequences can be an unpleasant surprise.
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I travel to places that I do not live just to go for a walk. My walks serve two purposes.
First to be able to maintain my weight. It is not that I give a rats ass about my health. It is that I do not want to have to go shopping for larger waist line pants. I do recognize that a simpler more sustainable way to achieve the same result would be to east less chocolate, ice cream and cinnamon rolls (Franz Brötchen). But that is a totally unacceptable way to go about for me.
The second purpose that my walks serve is to see architectural gems and fascinating art works and beautiful guardens in the places that I walk.
A couple of buy prouducts of my walks is that every now and then I can do a good dead such as give someone directions, or let them know that their electric car is on fire. Another by products is that sometimes I find money on the ground. Or I find something of small monetary value such as a patch of ripe wild razzberries or black berries, or plums.
Finding such things, sometimes in the most unusual palaces helps me to maintain my care free life style.
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Nature keeps me sane. I have wild turkey,deer,quail in my yard.
I’ve had bobcat visit & a hawk now & then. The free range chickens & chicken feed draw them in. There are reports of a cougar in the neighbor. I’m no threat to any of them. Clever Apes are a threat to each other.
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Now it is my turn to ask a question. I came about to this question while walking on a scenic path in the Munsterland.
As I was walking through the agricultural landscape I was comparing two possible life spans. One life span of 80 years going from 1859 to 1939 in Romania, or France, or Italy. And one from 1930 to 2010 in Missouri, Iowa, or Wisconsin. Which one would have been better. But that is not the question that I am going to ask YOU to answer.
Before I ask my question to you let me finish with my question to me. It obviously would have been much harder to live to be 80 years old if one was born in Europe in 1859. But if one could have been guarranteed to live to 80 I think that the European life span would have been the better of the two.
A person who lived from 1859 to 1939 would have expirienced astonishing technical change during this lifespan. And such a person would have almost certainly died optomistic about humanities future prospects. People would have believed that they really were part of a clever deserving spiecies.
A person who lived from 1930 to 2010 (or perhaps 1939 to 2019) would have also witnessed incredible technological changes. But by the time that they died they might have not been at all optomistic about the future of humanity. If they were not to bright or badly informed they might still be clueless of the dangerous rouge a head for humanity. But if they were not dumb or badly informed they would die certianly fearing for the future of their descendents.
This is where YOUR question comes in. When did you become a doomer. I became an alarmist in the early 2000s a few years after I got connected to the internet. At first I stuck pretty much to the subject of archeology. But the approaching war in Iraq caused me to start following politics closely again after not doing so for quite a few years.
This led me to among other websites the site called From the Wilderness. That site opened my eyes to the danger that humans were in.
But I still was not a doomer. The massive worldwide demonstrations against the comming war in Iraq gave me a sense of trust in the common man that I had completely lost in the elites by December of 2004 when Kerry failed to defend his victory over Bush and allowed Bush to have another 4 years. That is when I 100% knew that the both the Democratic and Republican Parisites are controlled by the US MIC and the Democratic Party plays the role of covert arm of the Republican Party.
But I still was not a doomer because I still had faith in the willingness and the ability of those below the elite paygrades to organize a effective resistence movement and remove those who have been possessed by the spirit of the confederacy from power.
Well by say January of 2013 I was starting to have serious doubts that there would be time to make a transition to a sustainable economy, let alone a fair sustainalbe economy.
Once Trump was elected in 2016 I knew that the game was up for that goal. But in 2016 I still did not fully understand how completely unsustainable an industrial civilization is. In 2015 I figured that if humans could harness nuclear fussion power there was still a chance that they could save themselves. But in 2016 I figured with Trump stepping on gas pedal of global warming nuclear fussion would certianly not come in time.
So by 2016 I was certain that all humans are going to die this century at the latest and most likely by 2050. But one thing had not changed completely. Events that occured between November of 2018 and January of 2021 gave me hope that maybe there would be a meaningful change of power in America. And I certainly do not mean by Trump being able to successfully overturn the election results. But by January 7th I understood that was a complete pipe dream.
Then things got even worse with the year 2022. Because of my background I was clearly capable of seeing that the US and its allies were trying to stragle the Soviet experiment that began in 1917. Whether or not that was justified is up for a reasonable debate. But it was also as obvious as hell to me that this aggression against the USSR was being blatantly carried on the Russian Federation after the fall of the USSR. Russian leaders have not been paranoid about western intentions towards them. Russian leaders have prudently and correctly understood the satanically bad intentions of the west towards their country. I understood that due to decades of propganda that the average American will be caught up this spider web of lies. But I expected better from western Europeans. I was sadly disappointed. Since Feb. of 2022 European leaders across the contintent have proven themselves beyond any doubt as being the 21st century version of the Vichy French. And the European masses rather than flock to legitimate left wing parties have for the most part abandon left wing parties for parties on the far right.
So if I can date the time that I became a doomer to 2016, I can date the time that I am happy that the western world is going to collapse to 2022, and the sooner the better. Western leaders have been acting in bad faith towards the rest of the world for decades and the populations of the western world have been completely incapable of offering effective resistence to the evil intentions of their rulers.
I will now repeat the question to anyone that reads this, when did you become a doomer??
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“Harnessing fusion power” is just the ultimate hopium. You can bet your ass that nuclear fusion is a myth…otherwise, the governments won’t be so desperately suppressing the reality of peak oil (and resource depletion in general). It is already GAME OVER for humanity. Of course, the exact date when NTHE will arrive is unknown…but it is sure as hell unavoidable at this point. And you can be certain that the price of food will continue to skyrocket. Not to mention the general poverty, unemployment, starvation, crime and misery will only continue to worsen and grow over time…until NTHE finally arrives. Sure, we now have smartphones in the 2020s, but will that do a fucking thing to save humanity from near term extinction? Absolutely nothing.
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Random Cool Stuff,
But you did not say WHEN you became a doomer. What year was it when you realized that the game is over?
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I realized the reality of peak oil around 2010/2011. But back then, I still had “hope” that NTHE could still be avoided. Around 2018/2019, I finally realized that industrial civilization is irredemably corrupt and unsustainable. And that there is no hope at avoiding complete human extinction. Once I realized the unspeakably horrible nature of consumer capitalism (and how it is a disease that will never go away until humanity goes extinct), then I realized the inevitability of NTHE…not only have I realized this reality, but I have accepted NTHE as the only “hope” for humanity. When you realize that there is no fucking hope for a human species that is completely addicted to capitalism, then you will realize that NTHE is the only “good” thing that could possibly happen for humanity.
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TR,
When did you become an environmental change or peak oil alarmist?
When did you become a doomer?
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In 1964 I watched a program about global population & where it was heading. It immediately struck me that we were going to have a problem. I think we got there.
I’ve been following Guy McPherson since 2008 & tried to understand all the peer reviewed studies he posted. “Ishmael” by Daniel Quinn speaks of us riding off a cliff & peddling harder to stay aloft. Hey! Clever Apes how’s that working?
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I was watching Tom and Jerry and Tweetty Bird in 1964. But I do remember in Grade School, around 1970, the subject of the world’s growing population comming up. The class was told that as tommorrow’s future leaders we had better pay attention in class so that we will be well enough educated that we will be able to find solutions to the world’s future problems like being able to grow enough food to feed everyone.
I do not think that anyone in that circa 1970 classroom got selected or elected to lead anyone anywhere.
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Wow.
When did i become a doomer? ..
let me count the ways.
When kennedy was assasinated . nov. 1962?. 1963? first him, then his brother, Bobby Kennedy (whose son (in my opinion) could change every thing) – but of course like Sanders – they will put him out.
They have their ways. Who are ‘they’ ? The corporate owners of the world (probably mostly american corporations). .
Then don’t forget Martin Luther King.
They killed him too in the same time frame. For different reasons. Mostly racial. Kennedy they killed because he wanted peace, and was too powerful an orator.
Since their deaths the world was never the same.
*By the way it wasn’t Kerry that caved against Bush… it was Al Gore .. The ENVIRONMENTALIST. They put him out too. Only approved candidates are allowed.
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I first became aware of the possibility of the collapse of civilization in 1999 when Y2K was supposed to make the reactors melt down and planes fall out of the sky.
That turned out to be much ado about nothing. I used up all my stocked supplies in the next few years.
Then the GFC of 2008/2009 put me into a full prep mode. I was convinced that collapse was imminent. Again, I was wrong.
Peak oil came into my sights shortly thereafter. But things are still crawling along, and we still have fuel and food.
Now I am much older and no longer fret about such things although I still frequent the few doomer sites that are still active.
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There is a huge demographic collapse in the “developed” countries of the world (like Canada, USA and Western Europe). Too many people born in the 1980s and 1990s have already died prematurely in the developed world. Meaning there is a “need” to “replace” the developed world’s millenial generation (and younger people) with immigrants from the Third World. Thus, there have been mass immigration of “developing” countries’ people into the developed world…in the past couple of years. A disproportionately large percentage of people in my age range (mostly white people btw) are already dead or crippled with terminal mental/physical disease…and therefore, we need to be replaced by immigrants from the Third World…not be racist or anything, most of these people are “dark-skinned” people.
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