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Nate Hagens’ recent interview of Professor Peter Ward, entitled “Oceans – What’s the Worst that Can Happen?”, serves as a good overview of mankind’s destruction of the marine biosphere and our road to extinction. The title is a rather rhetorical question because very bad things have happened, are already happening, and even worse things are unavoidable and on the horizon despite hopes that humans will run out of ways to extract the dirtiest and most inaccessible fossil fuel deposits. We have seen how inextricably linked economic growth is to rising fossil fuel consumption, no matter the mounting disasters happening before our eyes and the steady stream of dire warnings issued from the scientific community. The most current of such warnings came from the UN last month, and it states that escalating synergies between disasters, economic vulnerabilities and ecosystem failures are increasing the risk of a “global collapse” scenario. Such a catastrophic scenario appears all but inevitable. Constricting fossil fuel consumption is like squeezing a balloon. If one country stops consumption, another takes up the slack. For example, efforts to cripple Russia’s fossil fuel exports for their unwarranted invasion of Ukraine don’t appear to be very effective since China and India have simply stepped in and increased their purchases. Rising oil prices have also more than offset a decline in Russia’s export volumes. Perhaps an unintended consequence of those higher energy prices will be the ripple effect through the economy, making food unaffordable for large swaths of the globe and destabilizing governments.
Getting back to the Peter Ward interview, the professor states matter of factly, “Every time we get into a car, it’s putting more of those CO2 particles into the atmosphere. And if this isn’t collective suicide by Homo sapiens, I don’t know what is.” Unfortunately for us, humans have created an unsustainable civilization supporting billions of people while at the same time destroying the very foundation upon which that system is dependent. Humans are by far outperforming the carbon-spewing volcanoes of past mass extinctions. Nicholas Money, renowned mycologist and author of many books, recently wrote:
Decades ago, Gerald Durrell, the famous conservationist, recognized that “the human race is in the position of a man sawing off the tree branch he is sitting on.” Thirty years after Durrell’s death, the human population has increased by 2 billion and the damage has intensified. The branch will snap now whether we keep sawing or not.
The timeline for extinctions is not known, but, sooner or later, the disappearing mammals will be joined by the other groups of animals. Almost everything will be leaving the metaphorical ark, creeping down the gangplank into oblivion. Millions of other species, seen and unseen, including plants, seaweeds, and fungi will be leaving, too. The tiniest of organisms will inherit the planet, but great gulps of the microbial world will also disappear in the depths of this planetary holocaust…
Exact dates are not known, but mankind’s final fate can be seen scrawled upon the familiar checklist for mass extinctions which we are quickly ticking off, one by one. As Ward points out, every time there has been a major disruption in Earth’s delicate biogeochemical carbon cycle, there has been a mass extinction. Today that disruption is happening on a timescale much faster than at any time in the past, even faster than the asteroid impact that killed off the dinosaurs. During the K-T extinction, the immediate impact of the asteroid killed only the large animals. It took thousands of years for the consequent climate change to kill off smaller organisms. Current trends are exponentially faster, not only with anthropogenic climate disruption incinerating the biosphere within a lifetime but also by a multi-pronged attack from other human activities such as chemical and plastic pollution, the global spread of invasive species, and humanity’s massive overdraw on the planet’s resources.

If one were to equate Earth’s geologic history to a calendar year, modern humans have been around for a mere 37 minutes while managing to consume 1/3rd of Earth’s natural resources in just the last 0.2 seconds. The biomass of wild mammals has fallen by 83% since prehistory and it is projected that by 2050 humans will have eliminated 38–46% of all biodiversity from the planet. 70% of the planet’s land area has been altered by humans, with 40% considered degraded. By 2050, an area of land the size of South America will be further degraded. Nearly all of the marine biosphere has been degraded. Now Modern man has set his sights on wringing the last dollar of profit from the already dying oceans in what is being heralded as the “Blue Acceleration”, a not-so-clever play of words on the Great Acceleration referring to the period starting around 1950 when measurements of humanity’s impact on the planet’s resources went hyperbolic:
As pressures on Earth’s land grow and terrestrial resources look increasingly exhausted, governments and corporations are seeing the next big wins on, in and under the high seas. Whether it is mineral exploration, shipping, energy, tourism, desalination, cable laying, bioprospecting or more, ocean-based industries are picking up speed fast.
This “blue acceleration” has many people worried…With the power to profit from remote ocean resources growing rapidly, and the laws that govern their exploitation less than clear, we risk a free-for-all in the deep. “Our society has been based on the degradation of nature, destruction of nature,” says marine ecologist Enric Sala…
The new plunge into the ocean has come about in part because technologies – from ocean drilling and offshore wind turbines to desalination plants and factory trawlers – have made it possible. “A lot of offshore industries were unthinkable even just a few decades ago,” says Jouffray.
And so it goes, Homo sapiens onward march of eating the seed corn and leaving a husk of a planet for future generations …if there are to be any.
Back to Peter Ward and that checklist for mass extinction…The second step after a large release of heat trapping gasses is that Earth’s poles will start warming up much faster than the rest of the globe, melting the polar icecaps and reducing the heat differential between the equator and higher latitudes. A recent study found that the Arctic is heating up as much as seven times faster than the global average. The Antarctic is warming four times faster than the global average. This diminishing heat differential between the higher latitudes and the equator leads to the third step which is that ocean currents and atmospheric jet streams slow down and become stagnant and swampish. As professor Ward points out, swamps have a lot of nasty, toxic aspects to them such as hydrogen sulfide. This has happened to the oceans many times in Earth’s history with deadly consequences, the most recent being the PETM extinction which was associated with the largest deep-sea mass extinction event in the last 93 million years. Less than 5% of sea creatures survived. The oceans became a poisonous and miasmic brew of acidification, hypoxia and sulfide gases. Deep ocean upwellings injected hydrogen sulfide into the atmosphere, laying waste to plants and animals. This killer gas rose to the upper atmosphere and also attacked the ozone layer, allowing deadly ultraviolet radiation from the sun to amplify the destruction of plant and animal life. Fossil spores contained in strata from the PETM extinction show deformities consistent with damage from UV radiation. Major disruptions in the hydrologic cycle occurred with evidence of increased continental runoff. Land suffered extreme precipitation events. Dinoflagellates, tiny organisms that ooze toxins and create deadly algal blooms called ‘red tides’, flourished in the nearly 100°F surface water of the equator. Less than a third of the large animal species made it. Nearly all trees died. No ice existed on the planet during that time. Sea levels were around 300 feet higher than now.
Today we are pumping heat trapping gases into the atmosphere nine to tens times higher than during the PETM extinction. We are just four generations away from matching the chemical composition of the atmosphere that caused that die-off event. However, we are already seeing major changes in the Earth’s climate system that align with the third step toward a mass extinction. Proxy data (like coral data, ocean sediments, and land-based data) along with modern-day instrumentation show an intense weakening of the AMOC, Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, in the past 200 years. And the Gulf Steam, a component of the AMOC, is also showing signs of collapse. We are in the process of turning off the global ocean conveyor belt that keeps the ocean oxygenated and helps regulate the Earth’s climate. Ocean acidity has increased about 30% from preindustrial times to the early 21st century, a pace faster than any known in Earth’s geologic past. The volume of anoxic ocean waters has quadrupled since the 1960s, and evidence suggests that temperature increases explain about 50% of oxygen loss in the upper 1000 meters of the ocean. Ocean stratification due to climate change has increased 18% in the top 150 meters of the oceans since 1960. Stratified ocean layers have a number of negative effects such as preventing the mixing and transport of heat, carbon dioxide, oxygen, and nutrients to the lower depths of the oceans. It was only recently, November 2021, that a group of scientists issued a plea to governments for establishing a global monitoring system to track the loss of oxygen in the oceans causing dead zones:
“There is a pressing need to document and predict hypoxic episodes and hotspots of low oxygen in order to take protective actions for aquaculture, put in place precautionary measures for affected fisheries, and monitor the wellbeing of important fish stocks,” Limburg said.
“Without this understanding, we are in the dark about impacts that have large economic-ecological implications.”…
“These problems are getting worse because we are not solving the problems of nutrient run-off and our waters are continuing to warm.
Stalled Rossby waves in the Jet Stream linked to extreme weather events have increased significantly in the last twenty years. U.S. crop losses due to drought and flooding have trippled since 1995. Onward we march into oblivion.
Despite the horrors described thus far, what really scares Professor Ward is sea level rise. Ward believes that the volcano of mankind will sputter out before we reach the levels required for a full-fledged Canfield Ocean, and negative feedback loops in the climate system will pull Earth back from the brink. The “Canfield Ocean”, a sulfidic and partially oxic ocean, existed for more than 40% of Earth history, between the Archean and Ediacaran periods. It would take millennia to reach that state again, but humans are supercharging the process to get there by releasing into the ocean vast quantities of nutrients from agricultural fertilizer, soil erosion, industrial waste and sewage, in addition to the ever-growing release of CO2 and methane emissions. Humans have become a geologic force breaching most if not all of the planetary boundaries that make Earth hospitable for life. The mechanisms required for Earth to return to a dead, toxic planet may have already been irreversibly set into motion.
Getting back to Ward’s fear, the most recent report on sea level rise states that it is accelerating with an increase of one foot expected along U.S. coasts by 2050. And that is only if emissions are curbed now. Otherwise, expect up to 5 feet. The researchers say that one foot of SLR over the next three decades is equal to the total that occurred over the past century. Just one foot of vertical rise in sea level will swallow up 100 feet of shoreline if the slope is just 1% or more, a typical slope for most coastlines. To make matters worse, most coastal cities are sinking at a rate faster than the seas are rising. Thus within the next few decades, we could see several hundred feet of shoreline swallowed up along coasts of America and around the world, creating the largest human migration in history. Ward believes we’ll have six feet of sea level rise by 2080 which will destroy a big percentage of the world’s rice production, primarily through salinization. Rice is the number one food source for a majority of the world population today. Sea level rise alone could devastate global trade, not to mention the inevitable damage to ports from stronger storms. The latest IPCC report made it clear that parts of the planet are fast becoming uninhabitable:
Life in some locations on the planet is rapidly reaching the point where it will be too hot for the species that live there to survive, international climate experts said in a report Monday.
“With climate change, some parts of the planet will become uninhabitable,” said German scientist Hans-Otto Pörtner, co-chair of Working Group II for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which produced the report released in Berlin…
…Increased heat waves, droughts and floods are already exceeding plants’ and animals’ tolerance thresholds, driving mass mortalities in species such as trees and corals, according to the report…
…Sherilee Harper, a lead author on the North American chapter and an associate professor at the University of Alberta’s public health school, said she was personally struck by the effect climate change already is having on the “physical and mental health of many Americans.”
Peter Ward then brings up something I don’t remember hearing about global warming. The higher temperatures are disrupting the sperm fertility of organisms. Ward says it’s an existential threat to the amount of food we can produce. Recent studies show this to be true and the damage continues across generations:
…according to new research. New findings reveal that heatwaves damage sperm in insects – with negative impacts for fertility across generations. The research team say that male infertility during heatwaves could help to explain why climate change is having such an impact on species populations, including climate-related extinctions in recent years.

Nate and Peter then get into the societal ignorance preventing humans from addressing any serious problem, let alone the existential threat of anthropogenic climate disruption. Peter says, “How could we, as a species, take something as simple as masks and turn it into a political ploy where the level of ignorance will kill you, will kill you?!?” Nate then explains how social media algorithms are set up to highlight the most polarizing content in order to generate more user activity since their business model is based on user engagement. In order to keep users online, the social media platforms are also designed to be very addictive such as with the infinite scroll feature and the “like” button.
In 2017, Facebook’s former president, Sean Parker, said publicly that the company sought to consume users’ time as much as possible, and that the act was “exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology”…”That means that we needed to sort of give you a little dopamine hit every once in a while because someone liked or commented on a photo or a post or whatever… It’s a social validation feedback loop… You’re exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology…” – link
There is no fixing this dysfunctional social media ecosystem because it is operating exactly as intended. Our profit-driven economic system is rooted in inequality, exploitation, dispossession, and environmental destruction. And encouraging the public to turn off the horror show of climate chaos and biodiversity annihilation are essential for this system to continue. Exploiting tribal biases is a good way to keep the plebs fighting amongst themselves as the last dollar is extracted from a dying planet. Nate asks, “If we can’t have a discussion on what’s real or not with COVID, how are we going to have one about the ocean’s ecosystems and Earth systems and our collective future?” Indeed.

I’ve lurked around this blog for a long time now, but only recently had a few thoughts and questions that I think could stimulate some fruitful discussions with you.
Not too long ago, I found myself thinking about the fact that 99.99% of all species that have ever lived on Earth have gone extinct, and the related reality that Earth has gone through dozens of mass extinctions and mini-extinctions throughout its 4 billion year history.
Extinction, statistically speaking, is extremely common in a Universe already hostile to life, whereas the emergence of life–even microbial life–seems to be the exception rather than the status quo.
Furthermore, the Medea Hypothesis claims at least some of these extinctions are the byproduct of biological programming, and the result of microbial life purposefully eradicating multicellular life to return to the Earth to its natural state.
The hypothesis ultimately suggests that life as a whole is suicidal and destined for self-annihilation, that life, contrary to having a drive towards survival, has a hidden death wish. A “will to death” in Schopenhaurian terms.
Given the above concepts, and given the intrinsic fragility of life (and therefore suffering), it’s strange (though not surprising) that our species has not already normalized extinction, on both an individual level (death) and on a collective level (extermination), for both ourselves and all life.
Our ultimately instinctual denial of death and destruction becomes more bizarre and irrational when one considers the fact our civilization is actively engineering both its own destruction and the destruction of all life on Earth through climate change, pollution, and environmental collapse. Heck, the Medea Hypothesis asserts we ourselves are the cause and victim of the current “Medean Event”– i.e. the Sixth Mass Extinction.
Yet instead of doing something about the climate crisis, most people are either doubling down on their creature comforts or covering their ears and pretending the problem doesn’t exist, almost as if unconsciously (or consciously) fulfilling the death drive.
Our civilization is unconsciously or perhaps even deliberately designed to fail, never meant to exist for more than a few centuries at its inception. It is a Machine of Death powered by a drive towards extermination and consumption. And like an ouroboros, when it finally runs out of resources to exploit and things to consume, it will cannibalize itself.
But that’s besides the point. Since extinction appears to be the norm across time and space (and perhaps on other worlds), we should embrace both its inevitability and our role in it, rather than reject it or try to stave it off.
That could mean getting rid of our cultural obsession with immortality and eternal heaven in some afterlife, and replacing it with an acceptance or love of death. Or it could mean making euthanasia at any age not only legal but a moral duty. Or encouraging childlessness.
I’d love to read your comments and thoughts below.
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I would say that the ability to create omnicidal technology enabling the wholesale destruction of entire ecosystems is the true reason for why we won’t see highly advanced civilizations for very long. As evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr proposed, higher intelligence is a lethal mutation.
Someone on Reddit the other day asked at what specific point in time did it become too late for us. I said it happened on July 2, 1909 when industrial scale agriculture and the exponential growth in human population were enabled by the invention of the Haber-Bosch process.
Humans are the most contradictory species on the planet. The only thing straightforward about us is that we will act like any other organism by expanding our population and consuming any available resources until restrained by environmental limits.
I think modern man truly accepted a culture of death with the invention of the nuclear bomb. As Robert Oppenheimer stated on July 16, 1945 while witnessing the first detonation of a nuclear weapon, “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”. The Nuclear Sword of Democles hangs over our head as the greatest collapse in human history plays out in the 21st century. A quick return to the Stone Age seems a very possible scenario.
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“Someone on Reddit the other day asked at what specific point in time did it become too late for us.”
Everyone knows that it was when Cain & Able were born. 😉
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Humanity was on a path to omnicide and collective suicide long before the invention of the Haber process (1909).
I find it convenient to use the application of coal-powered steam technology to extract water from flooded coal mines (Newcomen, around 1715) as a key step in the destruction of the future. Once coal-powered steam pumps facilitated the extraction of more coal, and facilitated the faster extraction of coal via steam-powered elevators, the die was cast. More coal = more indistrialism = faster extraction of resources and faster movement of resources = faster population growth = faster overshoot and faster pollution of the planet.
Of course, Newcomen could never have invented the beam pump if Savery had not invented a steam pump in 1698 And Savery could not have invented a steam pump without the well-developed capacity to manufacture smooth-bored barrels from brass and iron….which were a product of centuries of development of military technology centred on firing projectiles at real or perceived enemies.
The invasion of most of the rest of the world by Europeans and the enslavement of indigenous populations could never have taken place without firearms. And the current petroleum-based ‘civilisation’ could never have been developed without coal-based manufacture of steel.
Even now, despite all the hoopla about ‘decarbonisation’, the dominant economic-political-social system is totally dependent on coal. And continued use of coal, along with its ‘partners in crime’ -oil and gas- will render the Earth uninhabitable for most extant species by the middle of this century via massive overheating of the Earth and acidification of the oceans.
The good news is, the peak of extraction of oil by conventional means (around 2007) has been accompanied by the peak of extraction by unconventional means (2018-2019). Thus, the prime energy source used to wreck the environment is in terminal decline. Too late to save most life on the planet of course.
The bad news is, the totally corrupt [criminal] governments of most nations are fully committed to extracting the last dregs of oil and gas and coal to prop up the rapidly-failing international bankers’ Ponzi schemes.
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The first phrase is actually an answer to the Fermi Paradox.
Regarding to the date when it was too late for us, the wholesale destruction of ecosystems actually began right after we invented agriculture tens of thousands of years ago. There were huge cedar forests growing in the Middle East at that time. Yet, the calamity we’ve caused was local.
Now that we’ve literally conquered the whole world and started a mass extinction event, the collapse this time around is now global. And even if we stop burning fossil fuels right now, global overheating will continue for a few decades or even centuries due to the amount of greenhouse gases already existing in the atmosphere as well as positive feedback loops. That means sea levels will continue to rise, species will continue to go extinct, wildfires will continue to grow bigger in size, the ice sheets around the globe will continue to melt, etc.
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Oh, and one more thing. The Medea hypothesis was also invented by Dr. Peter Ward, the guest of this episode of “The Great Simplification”.
Here’s a video about collapse from a few years ago. Some information might be outdated, but it still holds to this day:
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It’s a telling sign that out of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, the only one to actively drive itself towards extinction by destroying the very planet it lives on is the same one that evolved “intelligence” or “sapience” over the course of a few million years. The dinosaurs lived peacefully for hundreds of millions of years before the meteor that wiped them out came to Earth (something they had no control over and couldn’t stop), and bacteria have been around for 3.8 billion years since the formation of the primeval oceanic Earth. Meanwhile, we humans, supposedly the most “intelligent” species on this planet, are sitting like braindead idiots actively engineering our own demise after only about 10,000 years of modern civilization.
Intelligence isn’t required for a species to thrive, nor does it seem to be favored by natural selection. In fact, intelligence seems to be a detriment to a species that invariably leads to its extinction by its own hand, potentially because of technologies developed by said species that disrupt its natural environment, and lead to overconsumption, overshoot, overpopulation, and destruction by war. We are headed down the path of self-annihilation because we industrialized and advanced technologically far faster than our bodies could evolve to adapt to the ways our inventions changed the world, and far faster than our minds could develop the wisdom to use our technologies wisely. We are blind, brutish apes with access to nukes, or babies with chainsaws. Eventually, catastrophe will ensue and nothing good will come of it.
Do all intelligent civilizations face their own extinction at some point in their lifespans? Nobody knows. We don’t know if aliens exist or if they’re intelligent, and we only have a sample size of one (us) to determine the lifespan of a civilization. The odds of us making it through the next 100 years, however, are not good at all. Perhaps self-destruction is not inevitable for civilizations, real or fictional–perhaps past civilizations on other worlds were able to solve the problem of energy and resources, and pass the Great Filters that commonly end civilizations prematurely before they get the chance to engage in interstellar colonization. Unfortunately, we might not be so lucky. There are simply too many of us on this planet consuming too many resources, and progress on solving energy, resource, and environmental issues is slow to come from corrupt governments. The Great Filter, I am convinced is ahead of us, and it is not one that many species pass through.
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Great post, and Nate Hagen’s show is indeed a good salon for collapseniks, but there is always the element of hopium hucksterism to the show.
“What gives you hope?” Hagens always asks towards the end, throwing terms like “sustainable” into his self-advertisements for his “Advance” seminars for world leaders.
What gives you “hope,” XRM? I got nothing – just ridin’ the fossil fuel gravy train until it burns up like everybody else.
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Lol. Exactly!
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Whoa…I first read X- Ray Mike about 10 or twelve years ago at Chris Martinsons site. And that might as well of been the same article in terms of conclusions. I now accept why this has happened and we are continuing with this insanity. But what I can’t understand why he bothers to write about it anymore. In your case I see it differently… that’s because you have come to question, and reject our mainstream belief in “ separation.” To me accepting that what’s “ happening “ is almost certainly only happening in “ mind” changes everything ( as does a mystical experience). Yes it’s happening.. but on the integer hand no it isn’t… because it’s not what it seems.
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Thanks Mike,
It’s good to see you posting again. I have followed you since Chris Martenson days. It is amazing how denial defeats us.
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I lost all respect for Nate Hagens, a born-again stockbroker with a botiquue ecology degree, when he took over as the “golden boy” at the old Oil Drum peak oil site a few years ago. Nothing he has done since then has improved my opinion.
Peter Ward, on the other hand,is a brilliant paleontologist and I will never forget the moment of revelation I felt when I read his book “Under a Green Sky”. Not only did he revolutionize my understanding of mass exctinctions in Earth’s history, but I also saw clearly for the first time just how monumentally stupid the human race really is.
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I second your assessment of Dr. Ward. I actually had the chance to meet him a couple times, though didn’t get to talk much. Fortunately I had read his books, so could share a minute or two of real conversation with him. He could be a worthy successor to Carl Sagan, in many ways superior: he’s a self-effacing, funny, heartfelt person, lacking all of Sagan’s supercilious streak and ego. It’s too bad he hasn’t been, but I’m grateful for his books, which have been as eye-opening for me as they were for you. The universe isn’t teeming with life and advanced civilizations. If there were a dozen like us in the galaxy, I’d be surprised.
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Thanks for another great essay. I look forward to each one coming out, for all the legwork and research that goes into them.
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Just finished a conference with anthroprogenic global warming,climate change & weather weirding. I asked what they thought about the Roe vs Wade decision. They immediately said that the SCOTUS can’t stop them from aborting all the Clever Apes ,including SC Justices & their loved ones & their concealed carry ruling can’t stop them either. High speed, hot lead has no affect on these expert extinction specialists.They asked me; “Why couldn’t all the guns stop Covid from entering one’s home & killing one’s loved ones?”
What happens when a species overpopulates it’s habitat?
We’re are about to find out.
From the book “Ishmael”:
Peter Farb calls it a paradox: ‘ Intensification of production to feed an increased population leads to still greater increase in population.’
Not to worry! All the truly faithful of the world’s delusional religions will simply pray away any disaster. I’m sure that if the deities of all the religions can’t solve our problems the politicians & their delusional believers will handle the situation.
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So let’s see what the world is like by 2026? Will industrial civilization still be around in 2026? Just four years from now, so much can happen in such a short amount of time. I don’t expect the next four years to be good. Most likely catastrophic global famine, global supply chains and electricity grid permanently failing, massive civil unrest, global economic collapse, etc will happen within the following years of this decade. It is obvious that humans are rapidly headed towards extinction (along with most life on Earth).
Like I mentioned before, I suspect the catastrophic and abrupt collapse of industrial civilization to happen sometime between 2025 and 2035. I highly doubt industrial civilization will still be around by 2040.
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Other calls have been made for the imminent, near-term and date-specific demise of industrial civilization which have not panned out. The supersystem owns the means of extraction and production, so the calamities of famine and supply chains and the grid and the global financial system have been either kept to sacrifice zones or papered over.
Most likely that continues with attendant massive amounts of suffering and death countenanced as the “price of progress” or some other bullshit. Of course, human extinction will appear more and more of a possibility, but as Nicholas P. Money argues with a smile, there’s no more suffering when you’re dead.
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Except we know for certain that we are within the final exponential doubling of human population and consumption. I can assure you this…we will NOT reach 16 billion people by 2100 or 2122. Global human population will crash in the not-too-distant future. Potentially from 8 or 9 billion people to zero people in a very short amount of time.
1980 was the beginning of the final doubling of human population, and there was 4.5 billion humans on Earth back then. We are near the end of the final doubling of exponential human population growth. Even if we somehow reach 9 billion people by 2035 or 2040, the collapse of industrial civilization is inevitable and imminent i.e. it will most certainly happen within the lifespan of most young people alive today. You don’t believe me? Read the following link as proof.
https://dieoff.com/page137.htm
The following quote is particularly important: “””While no single energy source is ready to take the place of fossil fuels, their diminishing availability may be offset by a regimen of conservation and a combination of alternative energy sources. This will not solve the problem, however. As long as population continues to grow, conservation is futile; at the present rate of growth (1.6% per year), even a 25% reduction in resource use would be obliterated in just over eighteen years. And the use of any combination of resources that permits continued population growth can only postpone the day of reckoning”””
Yep, you heard me right…delaying the collapse of industrial civilization will only post-pone the day of reckoning. The collapse being 100% unavoidable and inevitable.
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The fine post you referenced is from 1995 – that is, nearly 30 years ago. And it contains this prediction: “A collapse of the earth’s human population cannot be more than a few years away.”
“A few years” cannot be reconciled with nearly 30.
Yes, the collapse is “100% unavoidable and inevitable,” but when? Will it be for us, or only for the young people? Since there is absolutely nothing we can do about this, why not leave the date specificity to the would-be omniscient gurus?
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And what has changed during thepast 27 years since that article was written? The issues addressed in that article are still as relevant today as they were in 1995. We managed to invent and mass-manufacture smartphones during the past 27 years, but has that made a damn difference in delaying the collapse of industrial civilization? Not even in the slightest. Especially since all modern technology is a by-product of cheap and abundant fossil fuels (something that will never change due to the laws of thermodynamics).
In fact, the 2 billion plus extra people added to the planet since 1995 and the profileration of modern technology–like smartphones– has only accelerated the rate we deplete the world’s finite (and especially nonrenewable) resources. Thereby accelerating the rate at which we speed towards the collapse of industrial civilization.
In that article, it states that–in 1995–petroleum would be completely depleted within 35 years at 1995 rates of usage. Even if rates of petroleum consumption reminded the same as they did in 1995, just by doing some simple math we get to the conclusion that global petroleum reserves will be completely depleted by roughly 2030 (35 years after 1995). That’s within 10 years from now. And we all know what will happen when it is no longer possible to extract petroleum out of the ground…the catastrophic and abrupt collapse of industrial civilization will happen.
And there are plenty of of other raw materials/natural resources that also in short supply, and we don’t just have a “peak oil” crisis. We have a “peak everything” crisis. Everything from top soil to other irreplaceable and nonrenewable resources like mineral ores–that are essential to all modern industrial processes like the manufacture of food and computers i.e. copper, tin, aluminium, silver, gold, rare Earth metals and potassium are almost completely depleted at this point. And it really just takes the shortage of just one natural resource to topple our entire industrialized civilization.
And also, look at the complete and unabated destruction of the planet’s ecosystems and biosphere caused by human civilization. Do you really think this civilization can last beyond the year 2040 given how completely unsustainable it is? It won’t. I am almost 100% certain that industrial civilization will catastrophically and abruptly collapse before 2040 especially when petroleum becomes completely depleted by around 2030.
The following quote from the book, After Man: A Zoology of the Future, succintly describes what will inevitably happen within the next two decades: “Ultimately the earth could no longer supply the raw materials needed for man’s agriculture, industry and medicine, and shortage of supply caused the collapse of one structure after another, his whole complex and interlocking social and technological edifice crumbled. Man, unable to adapt, rushed uncontrollably to his inevitable extinction”.
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Another excellent post, XRayMike!
Here’s my AUDIO NARRATION of it: https://soundcloud.com/michael-dowd-grace-limits/xraymike-ticking-off-the-checklist-for-mass-extinction
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“…at what specific point in time did it become too late for us?”
Never because we never had a chance to be otherwise.
IMO, once the humans evolved full behavioral modernity (homo sapiens sapiens) I think that sooner or later some of them would have figured out the energy potential of fossil fuels and how to unlock and harness them/become gods. The timing could have been different – a thousand years ago or a thousand years from now, but I think it was all but inevitable.
Catherine Ingram expressed a similar sentiment in a great essay she wrote a few years ago.
“Give up the fight with evolution. It wins. The story about a human misstep in history, the imaginary point at which we could have taken a different route, is a pointless mental exercise. Our evolution is based on quintillions of earth motions, incremental biological adaptations, survival necessities, and human desires. We are right where we were headed all along.”
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I only difference I see between humans and all all other life forms is one of degree, not kind. Nobody, that I’m aware of, dissipates like the rapacious apes of planet earth.
The purpose of life is to disperse energy
“The truly dangerous ideas in science tend to be those that threaten the collective ego of humanity and knock us further off our pedestal of centrality. The Copernican Revolution abruptly dislodged humans from the center of the universe. The Darwinian Revolution yanked Homo sapiens from the pinnacle of life. Today another menacing revolution sits at the horizon of knowledge, patiently awaiting broad realization by the same egotistical species.
The dangerous idea is this: the purpose of life is to disperse energy.
Many of us are at least somewhat familiar with the second law of thermodynamics, the unwavering propensity of energy to disperse and, in doing so, transition from high quality to low quality forms. More generally, as stated by ecologist Eric Schneider, “nature abhors a gradient,” where a gradient is simply a difference over a distance — for example, in temperature or pressure. Open physical systems — including those of the atmosphere, hydrosphere, and geosphere — all embody this law, being driven by the dispersal of energy, particularly the flow of heat, continually attempting to achieve equilibrium. Phenomena as diverse as lithospheric plate motions, the northward flow of the Gulf Stream, and occurrence of deadly hurricanes are all examples of second law manifestations.
There is growing evidence that life, the biosphere, is no different. It has often been said the life’s complexity contravenes the second law, indicating the work either of a deity or some unknown natural process, depending on one’s bias. Yet the evolution of life and the dynamics of ecosystems obey the second law mandate, functioning in large part to dissipate energy. They do so not by burning brightly and disappearing, like a fire torching a forest, but through stable metabolic cycles that store chemical energy and continually reduce the solar gradient. Photosynthetic plants, bacteria, and algae capture energy from the sun and form the core of all food webs.
Virtually all organisms, including humans, are, in a real sense, sunlight transmogrified, temporary waypoints in the flow of energy. Ecological succession, viewed from a thermodynamic perspective, is a process that maximizes the capture and degradation of energy. Similarly, the tendency for life to become more complex over the past 3.5 billion years (as well as the overall increase in biomass and organismal diversity through time) is not due simply to natural selection, as most evolutionists still argue, but also to nature’s “efforts” to grab more and more of the sun’s flow. The slow burn that characterizes life enables ecological systems to persist over deep time, changing in response to external and internal perturbations.”
https://www.edge.org/response-detail/10674
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This 14min video is along the same lines.
The Physics of Life (ft. It’s Okay to be Smart & PBS Eons!)
Our universe is prone to increasing disorder and chaos. So how did it generate the extreme complexity we see in life? Actually, the laws of physics themselves may demand it.
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I see Christopher Clugston’s “Blip”.
My guess is that Blip is a fundamental, fractal property of Nature, scaling from the subatomic to the universal. Everything is a blip, a process.
Universe came from nothing – Everything is Nothing dancing.
Sustainable existence requires regeneration, not dissipation and therefore a foundation of Nothing with a twist in the middle. Just imagine that. Perform the Möbius manoeuvre.
😉
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Sorry to tell you this, but IPCC is downplaying climate change as usual. The >2oC above baseline global average temperatures has already been exceeded in 2020. We reached 1oC above baseline in 2015. In less than five years after 2015, >2oC above baseline was reached. We are definitely headed towards >4oC above baseline within the 2020s with nothing to stop this from happening. The global temperature rise we are experiencing right now is the result of greenhouse gases (GHGs) emitted at least 10 to 15 years ago because of the lag period between GHG emissions and rise in global average temperatures. We are still operating on GHG levels from 2000 to 2005. The worse effects of abrupt climate change still hasn’t arrived yet. Humans are literally headed towards an inhospitable planet within this decade or next decade at the latest. Not just because of climate change, but a plethora of other factors. The following video made by Guy McPherson gives us a rough idea of the severity of abrupt climate change
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I strongly supported Guy McPherson until 2016, when he suddenly made the bizarre declaration that the Earth would become uninhabitable ‘in a matter of months’, as a consequence of loss of aerosol masking that would accompany reduced industrial activity, as peak oil took effect. He also made the declaration that the last human would die ‘by 2026’ as a consequence of Abrupt Climate Change.
In order to justify his bizarre declarations, McPherson had misused the results of Travis, following the temporary closure of airlines immediately after 9/11. What Travis said was that the clearer air [due to lack of aircraft pollutants and condensed vapour trails in the skies of America] resulted in a greater diurnal range, i.e. more heat reaching the land in the daytime and more heat lost to space at nighttime. McPherson ignored that latter aspect [of increased nighttime heat loss] and declared there would be a substantial increase in absolute temperature.
He lost the international debate, and shut down his website comments section of his website to prevent critical comment (truth).
A crucial point missed by most commentators on overheating is that the average temperature of the Earth is very much dominated by the average temperature of the oceans, and they are huge. The rate of overheating of the Earth is largely determined by the rate at which heat is transferred to the ocean.
We know for certain that the temperature of the oceans (often depicted as heat content) has not been as high as at present in tens of millions of years, and that temperatures are rising pretty much everywhere. This is leading to rapid undercutting of glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica and destabilisation of glaciers. Although this super-fast in geological terms, it is relatively slow in human terms.
The destabilisation of the Jet Streams [that is a consequence of warming of waters in the high latitudes] is having profound effects, one of which seems to be the megadrought affecting the western half of the US. I have been following the declining level of Lake Mead for many years, and 2022 is the year it has gone supercritical: not only the lowest since the Hoover Dam was constructed but also falling at the fastest rate ever recorded. If current trends continue there is the distinct possibility of massive water rationing across much of the southwest and inability to generate electricity via the Hoover Dam turbines at all in the very near future.
The laws of mathematics, physics, chemistry and ecology are dealing with the plague of greedy, stupid apes in a fairly predictable manner.
And, of course, the maniacs at the helm are determined to ensure that a large portion of last of the easily extracted oil is squandered making weapons and using those weapons in futile wars to impose their dysfunctional systems on those who reject them.
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McPherson also, “interpreted” a number of studies using the Bull shit method and he is also fond of the same math the Arctic News uses.
Each and every climate phenomena are added together using each one’s worst possible case scenario while assuming no negative feedback will ever kick in.
Worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario & + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario + worst possible case scenario = Humans Extinction @ 12:01 AM January 1st 2026.
In hindsight it’s obvious that McPherson is a self absorbed cunt.
The day and the time are mine, but 2026 is McPherson. I know of a number of scientists who have said human extinction looks likely and some before 2100 or in a hundred years.
Endtimes 2026 is pretty specific. There were/are a bunch of American white men who have been just as specific that the world will end on such & such a day, month or year and they all have a few things in common. 1, they’re all cunts. 2, they are all cult leaders. 3, they all scored better looking and/or more pussy.
If you ask me #3 is the #1 reason they go to such lengths.
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Slightly off topic, but the following link
Is a prime example of the insanity of consumerism and overconsumption.
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“Despite the horrors described thus far, what really scares Professor Ward is sea level rise … the most recent report on sea level rise states that it is accelerating with an increase of one foot expected along U.S. coasts by 2050.”
It has already risen that much, or dropped that much, depending on where one is in relation to Greenland, Antarctica, Glacier Bay, The Third Pole, or Patagonia (Seaports With Sea Level Change – 22).
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While we are waiting on NTHE or things to get get better, (I can’t see any farther into the future than the next few seconds) how do we like unregulated free market capitalism? True believers know that private corporations should be able to charge any price that allow profits to trickle down. Gasoline should never be below $10.00/gal. To those that disagree,why do you hate profit? Surely no one would want govt. interference into private businesses’ bottom line.
To paraphrase: ‘We like capitalism until we have to pay for it.’
I’m bending over while stupidity FMTT. 😉
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Since I can’t do anything to stop the destruction of all Clever Apes on this planet. I’ll just deal with simpler things. Will Rep/Cons stop all aid to Israel since Jews kill Jews in the womb with their Left wing liberal abortion policy? Abortion – self induced genocide?
The truth is not always pleasant but it can pull back the curtain on hypocrisy.
This job is too easy but it would be better if it paid.
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Will any of us “doomers” still be alive when the catastrophic and abrupt collapse of industrial civilization happens? Or will all of the doomsayers be long gone before TEOTAWKI happens? I could care less about whatever drama the politicians and nation states of the world perform during the meanwhile time, because I know that when that day finally happens, none of it would matter. It doesn’t matter if there is a World War 3 or not. The end result is the same…collapse of industrial civilization is inevitable and immienent. WW3 might accelerate the collapse…or it might not.
The simple fact that there is now 8,000,000,000 humans on this planet (and rapidly increasing by 200,000 people everyday, births minus deaths) already gurantees the demise of Homo sapiens via runaway exponential population and consumption growth. The fact that, during the past 30 years alone, we consumed more of the planet’s finite and nonrenewable resources (like fossil fuels, top soils and metallic ores) than all of the prior 5,000 years of human civilization combined, means we are already in the final exponential doubling of human population and consumption. The fact that the final doubling began in the late 1980s/early 1990s means we are not very far away from the collapse of industrial civilization. Collapse will probably happen before 2040. Probably much sooner, I reckon.
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Here is a good example demonstrating that even when they acknowledge and attempt to address the ongoing wildlife Holocaust it’s in a way that works with and around happy motoring.
Look at the dearth of projects world wide costing hundreds of billions. This in itself is a declaration that any challenge to economic growth and thus human/custmor/taxpayer growth is unacceptable.
Inside the experimental world of animal infrastructure
Wildlife crossings cut down on roadkill. But are they really a boon for conservation?
– June 16, 2022
“Around the world, cities are building a huge variety of structures intended to mitigate the impacts of urbanization and roadbuilding on wildlife. The list includes green roofs, tree-lined skyscrapers, living seawalls, artificial wetlands, and all manner of shelters and “hibernacula,” including 3D-printed hempcrete birdboxes for endangered owls in Melbourne and gigantic bat caves constructed like earthen igloos in the Texas hills.
But the data on how effective these approaches are remains patchy and unclear. That is true even for wildlife crossings, the best-studied and most heavily funded example of such animal infrastructure. ”
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/06/16/1053631/inside-animal-infrastructure/
It’s really nothing but a barrel of feel good, make-work projects that will change neither the outcome nor the timing. In spite of the impressive looking mega dollars they are spending it’ only adds up to a few more expensive Band aids on the shotgun blast wound.
I’d guess many of them mean well and still believe they are making a difference – what are they going to do? I don’t know more than a few people other than me who have changed their lifestyle and consume less. Even with me a big part of it was to get the fuck away from so many normies every day by changing how I make a living/level of societal participation. I prefer it this way. Clearly no amount of science or in their face record smashing climate change Jacked disasters have made a dent in human behaviour. It’s not happening so no sense knocking yourself out trying to educate the masses. There are many factors to explain why they won’t change, but for the sake of the individual Doomer’s sanity it doesn’t matter ‘why’. I know many tried – gave all their spare time to it. It’s just can’t happen so stop hurting yourselves or at the very least dial down your expectation amp to -11.
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‘Look at the dearth……”
You mean large number or abundance, don’t you ?
“dearth ” means ‘scarcity” or ‘shortage ‘.
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Anytime I tipe sumthing inkorrect I simply call it poetic lysence.
Best argument for abortion is, TR. 😉
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Anthroprogenic climate change/global warming will be performing a late stage abortion on TR.
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I feel I need to apologize for the compliments I gave the monkey mind,baboon brain Clever Apes. They were never any of that. They are lizard brained mammals that think they are above the laws of nature that rule the rest of the animal kingdom.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2022/06/29/29th-june-2022-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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How much excess CO2,above a normal weekend, will be pumped into the atmosphere over this holiday?
Let the lizard brains kill themselves.
‘When man is, gone life will thrive.’, if we don’t destroy the planet before our extinction.
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The planet will still be around. The planet Earth will be still be around for the next couple of billion years. Whether there will be any significant amount of complex, multicellular life on Earth after humans go extinct is another matter. It seems like the overwhelming majority of complex, multicellular life will soon be doomed for extinction. Especially large vertebrates like elephants, tigers, lions, deer and not surprisingly, humans, too. I expect virtually every living wild animal to be hunted to extinction by humans when the collapse of industrial civilization happens…to compensate for the lack of food caused by the global, catastrophic, Malthusian famine that will soon be killing all of humanity. The “good” news is that soon afterwards, humans will go extinct, too.
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If lizard brains destroy all life on this rock,it will still be a planet & the 11 dimensions will be talking about the stupid life forms that used to exist on this lifeless rock & cared nothing about their habitat.
I probably won’t get to see the explosions of all the nuclear power plants when most of the tongue flicking lizard brains are mostly gone.
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Can you please elaborate on what the global nuclear reactor melt downs will be like? Let me guess…the Earth will be basically rendered uninhabitable by it, correct?
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What pisses me off is our society’s constant hopium of technological “progress”. A.I, “smart” cities, “renewable” energy, hydroponics, vertical farming, 3D printing, cryptocurrency mining and etc are the examples of our civilization’s delusional belief that technology will “solve” all of humanity’s problems. This is, of course, all BS…make no mistake, industrial civilization will catastrophically and abruptly collapse within the lifetime of most people alive today i.e. the millenial and younger generations will get to see the day when human civilization permanently ends, and shortly afterwards, humanity goes extinct. And there is NO technological solutions to allow this rapacious and clever ape (called Homo sapiens) to continue overpopulating and wreaking the planet forever. I can assure you that the day of reckoning will come, and most people will probably be surprised when the collapse of industrial civilization happens.
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The extinction of wild or large animals has been preceding apace since humanity descended from the trees, and any cursory examination of the horrifically dwindling percentages of wild animals left testify that their demise is not a prediction, but an observable, “real-time” process under our ultrasocial domain of predatory killing. This cannot be stopped, and it is beyond reproach or justification.
People who have students to “teach,” or religious morons, or biological parents, or hopium addicts may refuse to look at the facts and numbers of worldwide deaths attributable to our species and our species alone, but we here in Collapse Central know the score. We still gonna part tonite, though, amirite?
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Yes, humanity is indeed an “exceptionally rapacious primate”. Of course, the demise of Homo sapiens is not too far away either.
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There is one consolation before we go extinct in the U.S. The right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed regardless of how many law enforcement officers & school children are wounded & killed. The great thing about assault weapons is that their efficiency gives a shooter the ability to harm more Americans in a shorter period of time. A truly dedicated shooter harms as many as possible & then commits suicide in a message to law enforcement & the other lizard brains; “Fuck you!”
When we enter the public sphere just how safe are we. No problem! It can’t happen to me.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-killed-3-cops-wounded-054324687.html
Just heard while writing, Copenhagen just had a mall shooting. Nothing wrong with wanting to be like the greatest nation in the universe. U.S.A.,U.S.A.,U.S.A.
Devolution is real. We are moving from lizard brains to amoeba brains, maintaining the inability to think critically.
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….regardless of how many Illinois 4th of July parade spectators are wounded & killed.
New amendment to the Constitution – All victims of shooters will be identified by their party affiliations/delusions.
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…regardless of how many black men,running away, are shot 60 times by police officers, missing 30 times.
xraymike could start another blog: “Collapse of Society”
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Let’s see what kind of nasty surprises 2023 will bring for humanity.
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“It is fortunate for those in power that people do not think”
– Adolf Hitler
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Yes, most people lack in critical thinking ability. They are just smart enough to do the paperwork and run the machines, but too dumb to realize the fact that industrial civilization will soon collapse.
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It is not just the declining ERoEI of fossil fuel extraction that is the problem. The law of diminish returns applies to all human economic activities and technologies. Contrary to popular belief, we don’t live in an age of unprescedented technological advancement in 2022. That era was many decades ago.
The last breakthrough technology in the modern era was the invention of microchips in the 1960s that lead to the development of PCs (Personal Computers) in the 1970s and onwards. There has been NO groundbreaking invention since then. During the past 25 to 30 years, we managed to increase the computational power of personal computers, but that cannot be considered a breakthrough in technology, because computers are fundamentally the same as they have been for many decades.
And now, we cannot really increase the computational power of computers anymore because we have already reached the point of diminishing returns in that area too. Technological innovation is rapidly declining, and this has been the case since the beginning of the 21st century…there really isn’t anymore breakthrough technologies for humans to invent from this point onwards. And all modern technologies are still completely dependent on fossil fuels…something that will never change until industrial civilization literally collapses
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Here is another “solution” for extending and pretending:
https://news.yahoo.com/mit-scientists-think-ve-discovered-180800050.html
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How long will it take,at what cost? Everyone please remember money is the most important thing in the 11 dimensions.
With a silicone bubble shield we can continue to pump CO2 into the atmosphere & oceans. Life is good because we don’t have to change our set of living arrangements. FMTT!
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OMG! Don’t tell an American that progress is stalled. What’s the point of being an American if things don’t constantly improve? Americans deserve everything,right now. Watch suicides increase? 😉
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The insanity of industrial capitalism continues to increase everyday. Human civilization is becoming increasingly unsustainable and chaotic, and the evidence for this statement is absolutely overwhelming…look at the sheer number of physically and mentally ill people on the streets, and it is like something straight out of a dystopian science fiction novel! But all is well because we have virtual reality and cyberspace…as a “substitute” for the ever deteriorating real world. But virtual reality is becoming worse, too, because the Internet is becoming increasingly commericalized aka plastered with advertisement and marketing propaganda everywhere. To the point where there is no real news anymore…just more fake BS news everywhere. Fake bs media= more profit, and profit is the only thing that matters under capitalism, am I right?
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Right on!
Americans’ & the other global one cell brain amoebas’ motto: “Show me the money.”?
NTHE ain’t skeered of fiat paper regardless of how many pieces one may possess.
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Inflation is about individuals & businesses maintaining their bottom line & passing on the cost of their continuing profit to anyone else. Or,
“Fuck the world, I’m not taking a reduction in income.” & the sheeple simply follow along.
How’s that unregulated free market capitalism working out as the amoeba brains ignore their extinction?
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Also, the market gets oversaturated with products that people cannot afford to buy…or simply there isn’t enough demand to consume the supply. And then, smaller firms go bust, or get purchased by larger companies.
As a side note, I believe 2022 is as technologically advanced human civilization will ever get. We now have 8k resolution giant, flatscreen TVs; HD smartphones with as much processing power as a desktop computer from the 2000s; desktop computers with multiple HD monitors; airplanes capable of carrying hundreds of people half way across the globe in less than 24 hours; capable of ordering a plastic, anime sex toy over the Internet (or some other mass-produced paraphrenalia) from half way across the world, and getting it delivered to your house via Amazon; live streaming video chat with someone half way across the world; streaming videos on Youtube (and other video streaming sites); and being able to write and publish articles on the Internet about the upcoming collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE. All thanks to human ingenuity, and the extraction and use of hundreds of billions of tons of fossil fuels over the past couple of decades.
Unfortunately, this fossil fuel bonanza used to build industrial civilization will all be gone very soon, and the ecological damage caused by human civilization (including abrupt climate change/climate feedback loops caused by fossil fuel burning and other human industrial activities) will cause the most technologically advanced civilization in human history (and possibly ever to exist on Earth) to abruptly and catastrophically collapse in the not-too-distant future. Leaving us with a barren wasteland of a planet devoid of almost all complex life…and with no human survivors left. Most likely by the mid 21st century (or even sooner).
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Industrial civilization depends on three critical components: 1) the mining of minerals and metals (like copper, gold, silver and tin) 2) energy from fossil fuels (coal, petroleum and natural gas). 3) agriculture (all the food consumed by human civilization is grown via agriculture).
These three components interact with each other in complex ways. For example, food production depends on machines (i.e. agricultural machines like seeders, plowers, and harvesters) that are made of metals mined from the Earth. And all these agricultural machines, indirectly or directly, run on energy from fossil fuels. And these machines, made out of metals mined from the Earth and industrial processes powered by fossil fuels, are used to produce food. And this food is used to feed the workers, who mine the metals and extract the fossil fuels, to produce food for themselves (and billions of other people). And countless other industrial processes that depend on yet more mining, fossil fuels and agriculture.
The problem with industrial civilization is that mining, fossil fuels and agriculture cause irreversible destruction to the ecosystems of this planet. Like deforestation, species extinction, chemical pollution and climate change. And these three critical components are all 100% dependent on depleting finite and nonrenewable resources. Metal and mineral ores, top soil and fossil fuels are all essentially nonrenewable on a time scale relevant to humans. And the growth of human civilization and global human population is completely dependent on depleting finite and nonrenewable resources. And producing toxic wastes (like greenhouse gases and plastics) that overwhelms the planetary ecosystems.
Humanity is basically like a group of bacteria in a Petri dish. The Petri dish being the planet Earth. And the finite and nonrenewable sugar in the Petri dish being the resources on Earth. And the exponentially growing population of bacteria being the exponentially growing human population of the Earth. It seems like humans are running out of finite and nonrenewable resources (resource depletion). And global human population has reached its limits to growth (human population overshoot/overpopulation). And the planet is overflowing with the toxic wastes of industrial civilization (like plastics and greenhouse gases). Meaning the collapse of the global human population explosion is inevitable and imminent, just like the bacteria in a Petri dish.
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One can conclude their own conclusions.
Over the last week & a half I’ve followed news reports from around the world about local weather weirding & the effects on large populated areas,flooding,fires & droughts leading to food shortages,homelessness & climate refugees. And to my surprise I did not see any mention of overpopulation on any news reports. Best wishes to all those that continue to be “Fruitful & multiply.”
Million of the hungry & 20 lbs. of wheat or millions of lbs. of wheat & 20 hungry, critical thinking seems to slip my my more often as I age.
“It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma;” – Winston Churchill
Thanks W., I feel better now. Wonder if this applies to politics,religion & economic syence?
I get pissed off when sarcasm makes me think.
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Overpopulation is one of the most taboo terms to mention in our society btw. Hence, almost nobody mentions it. Especially in mainstream media. Overconsumption is the other term nobody mentions because it is supposedly impossible to own too much stuff. Of course, we know that both overpopulation and overconsumption are real. Nobody mentions it because our socio-economic system is fundamentally dependent on both overpopulation and overconsumption to keep the pyramid scheme going.
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Just heard this . “Christians: Your husband’s side chick is forced to carry.”
Consequences!
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No, never for them. They never follow their own rules.
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For all the people living in high temperature record area.
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Reblogged this on Calculus of Decay .
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I’m enjoying all the MSM (Main Slime Media) selling advertising time,talking about the global heatwaves,after it’s “Too Late”. Wonder how all the talking head media are going to handle the fan falling over into the pile of shit on the floor that they have been walking around & stepping over. Hope they don’t slip & fall & bust their ignorant asses. As soon as cooler weather/fall arrives the silence will not be a surprise.
Think I’ll install a coal fired furnace.
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And those scam artists are still claiming the Bitcoins will create economic prosperity. And most people still believe in them.
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I am pretty much the overwhelming majority of doomers and believers in near term human extinction are atheists. First of all, belief in human extinction violates the anthropocentrism of Abrahamic religions. Religions believe that humans will never go extinct. Science says otherwise.
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Earlier today I watched this Carlin stand-up.
I really miss G.C., especially with everything going on with weather weirding & American politics. I can’t begin to imagine what he would be saying today.
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Another study I missed.
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/humanity-will-not-survive-extinction-of-most-marine-plants-and-animals/
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It seems like Homo sapiens aka the “wise” ape is very good at inventing and manufacturing increasingly deadly weapons and military tactics for killing other humans and non-human animals with greatly efficiency. Humans are obviously the most dangerous creature to ever walk on Earth.
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Some light reading for Hump Day evening.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2022/07/27/27th-july-2022-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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I am curious about what ideas and concepts pop out of your head when I mention the term “industrial civilization”? For me, it would be the following: fossil fuels, capitalism, US Imperialism, New York City, automobiles, airplanes, Military Industrial Complex, Hollywood, Youtube, Amazon (the online retailer corporation), computers, the Internet, Made in China, global warming, peak oil, human overpopulation/overshoot, plastics, petrochemicals, the 6th mass extinction, skyscrapers, mega cities, factory farms, tropical rainforest deforestation, Alberta tar sands, Netflix, and of course…”collapse of industrial civilization” and “near term human extinction”.
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I’m with you on all of these things. I think it all started when hunter gatherers laid down their spears & arrows & picked up the plow,which is not a problem any more than your list above. The problem is that too many amoeba brained,virus primates are participating in this unending delusion of progress. Wonder how much damage a constant global population of a few million could have done to the global habitat?
Of course someone will say that with that small pop. we might have gone extinct.Not to worry,we are getting there.
I just have to refer to Bill Hicks: “Your children aren’t special.”
Another problem we both have is that neither one of us knows which of the several voices in my head is speaking at a given moment. 😉
My thermometers have been reading 100 to 105 degrees for 5 days,middle 60s at night.
Be “Cool”!
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This following blog is very good because it summarizes all of Guy McPherson’s research in one place
https://seemorerocks.is/guy-mcpherson/
I hope you enjoy it!
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I haven’t been to Kevin’s Hester’s site lately. I have followed Guy for years & tried to read all his links & understand one or two. Haven’t been to Guy’s site in a while, either.
I have one problem with Guy’s “Only love remains”. As we approach increasing weather weirding & miserable life situations we will see all of the Clever Apes emotions projected into reality & it won’t all, be lovely.
In a lot of his latest videos it seems that he is giving social & psychological advice. I never see him mention that overpopulation just might be why we are in this situation.
How’s that self absorbed, egotistical desire for sexual pleasure worked out for monkey minds? One could say that, “We fucked ourselves to where we are.”
I’ve got to go. I going to kick spellchecks ass.
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I am certain Guy McPherson is aware of the human overpopulation issue. However, overpopulation is too taboo of a topic to mention. I remember mentioning overpopulation to several people over the years, and their reaction was usually denial and anger of it. Denial that it is real, and anger that I even dared mention it is real. Even most so-called most “environmentalists” deny that overpopulation is real, and deny that it is one of the main reasons why Homo sapiens is doomed for near term extinction. Climate change is one of the many symptoms of human overpopulation, but the cause of human overpopulation is humanity’s cleverness and tool-making ability that alllowed us to reproduce at a much greater rate than our death rate. Resulting in such a gross excess number of people that we have today.
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“Give me a T for Texas.”,give me a T for Temperature.
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China needs to forget about Taiwan. They have bigger problems.
“The environment has been reeling from rapid industrialization resulting In extreme pollution and massive deterioration of the environment. China has started to correct some of the damage, but devastation continues unabated in most areas. Two large river fish that China spent decades attempting to save have recently been declared extinct despite those efforts.”
China is a beautiful county except of the people. Rhyming with America?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/8/2/2113813/-China-is-almost-out-of-safe-water-on-its-surface-and-in-groundwater
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You mentioned overpopulation earlier in this thread. Here is my reply to that topic. It is not just China , India and “third world” countries that are overpopulated. Literally, corner of this globe is overpopulated by humans. Even in low, population density areas like Canada and Australia. Canada might “only” have 40 million people with a human population density of “only” 4 people/square kilometer. But the country is still overpopulated because most of Canada’s terrain is not sustainable for large scale human settlements. And the areas suitable for the construction of large cities in Canada (like Toronto and Vancouver) are already extremely overpopulated. The same applies to Australia. Yet despite this fact, virtually all of the governments of the world are still encouraging human population growth via increased reproduction! The governments of the world are apparently worried that low human reproduction rates will hamper economic growth. Talk about insanity! So much for the “wise” ape.
It seems like economic growth and maximizing human population on an already-overpopulated planet is the only thing that humans care about and desire. No wonder humans are going extinct! Hint: it is not the lack of reproduction that will cause human extinction, but over-reproduction/overpopulation/overconsumption/greed that will cause humanity’s extinction in the not-too-distant future.
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Maybe denying reality will make all problems go away. 😉
I’m waiting to see how bad anthropogenic global warming will get & how long it will be before one doesn’t hear reports about economics(greed),politics,religion,gender,race or the latest sensationalism as the front page news.
Future headline: “It’s HOT as HELL,EVERYWHERE!”
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Thanks to man’s ingenuity i.e. ability to fully exploit fossil fuels, we managed to temporarily expand the Earth’s carrying capacity for humans via industrial agriculture, global supply chains and etc. While giving humans the illusion of technological progress. But this time, there is no deux ex machina that will keep industrial civilization alive for much longer. The Green Revolution…more like the Green Illusion, because humans have fooled themselves into believing that human population growth can go on forever. And fool themselves into believing that industrial civilization can be made sustainable.
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Civilization? How can civilized be used to describe a species that pollutes it’s air, water & land in the only habitat it has to exist,which might end soon?
It’s too late when the grim reaper knocks on one’s door.
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Civilization has nothing to do with the supposedly superior ethics/morality of people living in civilization (as opposed to non-civilized people). Civilization simply means “living in cities”. Civilization is defined as life in cities. And all cities require importing resources from areas outside of the city (i.e. food, water and air) because the area in the city doesn’t contain enough raw materials to sustain the city’s population. For example, Toronto has a population of over 3,000,000 people concentrated in an area less than 500 square kilometers. Is it possible to sustain those 3 million plus people with the raw materials found within the land area covered by Toronto? Absolutely not. Hence, supplies and resources have to be imported from across, not only all of Canada, but across the entire globe to sustain Toronto. The same applies to literally every other city on the planet. Without 24/7, just-in-time supply chains operating seemlessly across the planet, industrial civilization will catastrophically and abruptly collapse. And that collapse is inevitable at this point due to OVERPOPULATION/OVERCONSUMPTION. Tick tick. Every 24 hours that passes is literally one day closer to the inevitable collapse of industrial civilization and near term human extinction.
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This is the definition of the word that shouldn’t be used to describe this bipedal virus.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/civilized
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Here is a better definition of civilization:
“”Civilization refers, in its derivation, to the habit of living in dense nucleated settlements, which appeared as population grew in response to plentiful resources. Many things seem to follow as a matter of course when people live in cities, and wherever civilization occurred, it has involved political consolidation, economic specialization, social stratification, some sort of monumental architecture, and a flowering of artistic and intellectual endeavor (Childe, 1951).”””
https://dieoff.com/page137.htm
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From the link: “Around 8,000 BC, world population was something like five million. By the time of Christ, it was 200 to 300 million. By 1650, it was 500 million, and by 1800 it was one billion. The population of the world reached two billion by 1930. By the beginning of the ’60s it was three billion; in 1975 it was four billion; and after only eleven more years it was five billion (McEvedy & Jones, 1978; Ehrlich & Ehrlich, 1990, pp. 52-55). This cannot go on forever; collapse is inevitable. The only question is when.”
I saw this coming around 1966 after watching a population program on one of only 3 TV stations at the time.
Not to worry,we are civilized & now “intellectual” & let’s not forget we be the mostest special life form on this rock. This must be why life is so great for everyone. Give credit where credit is due. This species deserves none.
I’m wondering how many, globally, realize what horrors might be coming? I couldn’t guess a number or percentage but realization doesn’t change the reality.
The +100 degree temps I’ve been living in aren’t bad because of low humidity. FMTT!
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As a side note, they are building increasingly tall (and fragile-looking) buildings to compenstate for the lack of living space in increasingly overpopulated cities. Or the alternative is for the expansion of urban slums like the ones in Dhaka, Mumbai, Mexico City and Lagos for the poorer folks. Not to worry, the big cities in “developed” countries–like Canada and the USA–are quickly becoming slums and ghettos. Don’t forgot to add in a bunch of deadly narcotics, firearms, STDs, prostitution, gambling and other vices for our dystopian world!
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How many people are aware of the inevitable and imminent collapse of industrial civilization and near term human extinction? Definitely only a tiny minority of the human population. Assuming that 1.5 billion people have access to this information via the Internet, I say only around 0.1 to 0.01% of that 1.5 billion people have even the slightest idea where humanity is headed in the near future. So, at most 100,000 to a 1,000,000 people might get that industrial civilization is doomed. But most of these “doomers” are under the delusion that there will be a bottleneck population of humans that will persist beyond industrial civilization. Many of these people are even under the delusion that another civilization will emerge out of the ashes of industrial civilization–albeit a more primitive civilization like medieval feudalism or ancient Rome/Greece. But these people don’t understand or deny the possibility of human extinction. Even a smaller percentage of this tiny minority understands that not only is this civilization doomed in the near future, but near term human extinction is literally guranteed at this point. There is this group on Facebook that is geared towards discussion of near-term human extinction (NTHE). And it is the largest group on the Internet for discussing NTHE. With about 4,000 to 5,000 members. So I believe probably a few thousand people (at most) in the entire world is aware of NTHE. Aside from that group, this blog is the only site where the topic of NTHE is actively discussed (on most sites, NTHE is a banned topic because most people are too feeble-minded to understand–let alone accept–this reality).
I assume the vast majority of brainwashed sheeple think that the future will yield never-ending prosperity and technological “progress”. They probably think that technological “progress” will make society into an utopia, and that humans will eventually colonize other planets. And the rest of the other techno-utopian BS. The idea of the collapse of industrial civilization–let alone human extinction–is too offensive and implausible for these people to consider. And these people consist of the overwhelming majority of the human population thanks to the highly-effective brainwashing of corporate media.
I hope that answers your above question.
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As climate gets worse,migration will increase? Coming to a neighborhood near you or are you going to have to migrate,also? Everyone loves to move.
https://insideclimatenews.org/todaysclimate/how-a-summer-of-disasters-shows-the-us-isnt-prepared-for-climate-migration/
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Migrate to where? Moving people from one overpopulated place to another is like playing musical chairs on the sinking Titanic. No matter where you move on this overpopulated planet, the end result is the same…near term human extinction.
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Of course. Extinction is inevitable and only a matter of time. This applies to our species as well as millions of others, threatened or not.
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And before the inevitable collapse of industrial civilization happens, I enjoy life by sketching and drawing wild animals, land scapes, city scapes, people, plants and etc. And traveling around the world.
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Remember, the collapse of industrial civilization is not just inevitable, it has been an ongoing process for decades. Better prepare for the worst right now, because hoping for the best is now a pipe dream.
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The decline and decay of industrial civilization has been happening for decades, yes, I know. The collapse of industrial civilization will be a sudden and catastrophic event of a scale never before seen in human history, likely resulting in NTHE. This article (see in link below)
https://dieoff.com/page224.htm
explains how the collapse of industrial civilization will be strongly correlated with the permanent cessation of the electric grid around the world. Otherwise, known as SHTF (Shit Hit The Fan) or TEOTWAWKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) that many doomers have described.
The following quote from the above article highlights several of the key factors contributing to the decline/collapse of industrial civilization: “”No doubt that the peak and decline of Industrial Civilization, should it occur, will be due to a complex matrix of causes, such as overpopulation, the depletion of nonrenewable resources, environmental damage, pollution, soil erosion, global warming, newly emerging viruses, and resource wars. That said, the Olduvai theory uses a single metric only, as defined by “White’s Law.” But now it comes with a new twist — (((a will-o’-the-wisp))) — electricity.”””
Oophs, he forgot to mention “fresh water scarcity” in his list of factors contributing to humanity’s demise.
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“Big & Bold”
‘There is money, in the bill that Congress is trying to pass, to fight climate change.’ reported by Main Slime Media.
Problem solved! Droughts stop,flooding stops,record temperatures cease. We are almost back to normal. Sleep well monkey minds. Money is the end all,be all.
The rich & greedy may have a harder time dying in the coming NTHE?
This old man is having a senior moment. It’s NTCAE,Near Term Clever Ape Extinction
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Ironically, the number one cause of climate change is human industrial activities (not just fossil fuel burning, but destruction of ecosystems and many other factors caused by humans) and the fact that this planet is overpopulated by 8,000,000,000 clever apes. The solution to climate change (and the rest of mankind’s problems)? NTHE, of course.
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Sorry! I forgot to post this light reading. If I had any friends,I’d email this to them.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/04/climate-breakdown-supercharging-extreme-weather?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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The information in this article may be basic scientific knowledge, but I’ll post it here anyways
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Hydrocarbon_resource
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Petrochemical
So I am assuming you have at least a basic understanding of physics, chemistry, biology, geology, psychology, economics, ecology and other scientific disciplines to realize that humanity is basically doomed in the not-too-distant future?
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“Higher intelligence is a lethal mutation.” – Ernst Mayr
Intelligent life is an aberration almost predestined towards self-annihilation. Natural selection hasn’t evolved human-level intelligence in other animals because it’s either not necessary for survival, or is an impediment towards a species’ survival, and now we are seeing the fruits of all our labors. Our “intelligent”, industrial civilization has turned us all into screen addicted, reality-denying morons while the planet is burning and society is headed for oblivion.
The dinosaurs were incredibly stupid but lasted for hundreds of millions of years before the meteorite that killed them all crashed on Earth (and that wasn’t even their fault). Meanwhile, we’re sitting here with our “brilliant minds” and we can’t even survive for more than 10,000 years without killing the planet we live on. What kind of “intelligent” species destroys their own planet’s environment and brings about their own demise? A suicidal, impotent, pathetic, lazy, greedy, and selfish species, that’s what. Intelligence has only given us greater efficiency in resource extraction and environmental destruction. Intelligence handed us 200 years of comfort and decadence. And to what end? Was it really worth it when now we are poised to slowly die out and suffer for centuries if not millennia?
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Also, known as the Fermi Paradox. This explains why civilizations only last for a brief time on any planet capable of supporting complex, multicellular life. It is likely other planets have once harbored “intelligent” , technology-driven, civilizations until they wiped themselves out, much like what is happening right now on Earth with Homo sapiens.
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Here is a good article about how to psychologically cope with NTHE (The Irreconcilable Acceptance of Near Term Extinction)
https://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=b8e53c620300ae88791163048&id=46992789e1&e=f0754ee742
I think the above article is worth mentioning for anyone who has accepted NTHE.
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Civilization has nothing to do with the supposedly superior ethics or morality of civilization. Being “civilized” simply means poor people being enslaved by rich and powerful psychopaths in a giant pyramid scheme. It doesn’t matter if it is capitalism, feudalism or whatever social construct. Civilization has always been a pyramidal structure. With the psychopaths at the top. And the enslaved commoners at the bottom.With the police and military existing primarily for protecting the wealth and power of the ruling class. Law enforcement don’t exist for protecting the commoners, contrary to popular belief. They exist to protect the wealth and power of the elites. Representative “democracy” simply exists to give the brainwashed commoners the illusion that they have any control over the government. When in fact, the government is completely under the control of the super wealthy elites. The politicians are just puppets of the uber wealthy people like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros and the Koch Brothers. The politicians exist just to project the illusion that the masses have control over the government via “voting” for one incompetent and corrupt politician over another. We enlightened people all know that voting is pointless because the politicians are just puppets of the wealthy. The politicians don’t give a f*** about you unless you are super rich.
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As truth gets volleyed back and forth here as the comments section elongates, let’s cut to the chase (without expecting anyone to respond): say Trump or TrumpII wins by hook or by crook, (or substitute any similar nazi leader in any country), are you prepared to think these kinds of thoughts in a jail cell?
In Xi’s china, you (I) would already be there. In Myynamar, same. In Haiti, dead. We can express these anti-systemic thoughts here in this corporate-state – controlled, corporate-state surveilled fossil fuel burning Internet, for now, but come the next nazi ascension, we have left them a trail, and we will then have no public recourse to express our understanding of the world. Then what?
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If the government becomes that desperate to censor the truth, it implies that the collapse of industrial civilization is near. I say fuck them because NTHE will happen sooner or later, and they “the elites” will all be dead along with everyone else.
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Ah, now I see why at my blog you’re arguing that saying/writing “Nazi” still has utility.
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He has had some interesting comments, but when he jumped on the Putin train, I had to deep-six those comments.
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I think I saw those comments here before you deep-sixed them, but now I can’t remember who issued the lengthy screed. That’s one of the reason I’m not the biggest fan of content “moderation.”
Also, to be clear for the legal record, that was not me. Putin- nyet.
Yes, I have had various comments deep-sixed before at other sites, and it is a baffling experience – blogging as no-criticism zone?
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“A large body of evidence now exists showing a relationship between temperature fluctuations and economic productivity [1–4]. Temperature has been shown to influence output at global [1, 2], national [5, 6], and regional scales [3], affecting a wide range of sectors in both high-income and low-income countries. The persistence of these impacts has first-order implications for the magnitude of climate change damages: if temperature fluctuations affect the determinants of economic growth (e.g. depreciation of capital or the total factor productivity growth rate), then they have a persistent impact on the level of economic output.”
Getting into someones wallet can get their attention.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac82c2
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“It is always best to capitalize (make profits) on a disaster”, like any good capitalist would say.
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Nothing like a good civil war after the trump search warrant.
It won’t be bad. The right wing extremists will start fighting every morning at 9:00, take lunch 12:00 -1:30, knock off at 4:00 to go shopping before going home.What idiot delivery drivers are going to deliver to any business when they could be hijacked,wounded or killed? Sorry,movies,sporting events,gas stations,banks,restaurants & other businesses will be closed during the periods of fighting. The right wing will do it all over again the next day because none of they will be hurt in the fighting.
“You can’t fix stupid.”
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The USA = United States of Absurdities. Don’t you agree?
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“Absurdities” might be too politically correct. I’m thinking of risque words.
To paraphrase a “Hee Haw” joke; They aren’t stupid,they are merely foolish. 😉
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And the average person is still under the delusion that industrial civilization will last forever. Just waiting for nuclear fusion to become a reality to save humanity’s sorry ass from extinction…which will never happen, of course. We (doomers) all know nuclear fusion is a pipe dream. Most people are under the delusion that technology will save humanity. Nuclear fusion is always (another) 10 years from being developed, which is another way of saying it will never happen. But the masses need their daily dose of hopium to keep them motivated enough to work at their 9-5 wageslave jobs, correct?
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https://mahb.stanford.edu/library-item/new-rule-let-the-population-collapse-real-time-with-bill-maher-hbo/
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Industrial capitalism is the delusion that humans can build a perpetual growth machine off of finite and nonrenewable fossil fuel energy. Of course, pretty much everyone thinks that fossil fuels are an unlimited energy source that is magically “produced” (and not extracted) by fossil fuel companies via the magic of printing fiat currency out of thin air. (Almost) nobody realizes that humanity and industrial civilization is living off of burrowed time.
NTHE is literally arriving closer every passing day. Yet the masses delusionally think that industrial civilization will last forever. I can’t wait to see their faces when SHTF happens. When there is no more food being delivered to the grocery stores (so food “magically” disappears forever) , when the stores permanently run out of supplies (due to the collapse of global supply chains), no more gas from gas stations, all of the cars/trucks/planes/other transportation permanently stops, no more water coming from the taps (due to supply chain and grid permanent failure) , no more electricity (due to supply chains permanently failing)…the resulting complete absence of food and water (due to the permanent collapse of global supply chains and electrical grids), leading to mass starvation, disease, and violence killing pretty much every human on the planet. Resulting in near term human extinction. I really hope that day happens (which it will) because that inevitable event will finally wipe out the clever ape species for good.
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Since we are heading toward Anthropogenic NTHE I don’t want to miss a good laugh.
The FBI is going to fingerprint all the documents that they confiscated at Mara Loco.
Wonder whose prints they will find?
Biden calls Trump: “Hey Donald,all those documents you declassified,I reclassified 10 minutes after my inauguration!”
Republicans are nothing but straight men for the Democrats but Democrats don’t know what a punchline is.
I’ll be appearing in the Day’s Inn lounge this week.
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It seems like most people are psychologically incapable of realizing that humans will one day go extinct because they are under the delusion that humanity is too adaptive and clever to go extinct. It must be thanks to the brainwashing of industrial civilization that gives most people to delusion that industrial civilization can last forever and humans will never go extinct (which we here know is all a lie).
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I suspect the alarmingly increase in the number of people dying from cancer in the 21st century is due to the massive amount of microplastics (aka microscopic pieces of plastic) people are ingesting from the food and water we consume. Microplastics are ubiquitious in the global ecosystems. All the oceans and all fresh water bodies have traces of it. Microplastics are now literally raining from the sky via rain droplets. Cancer was almost unheard before the industrial revolution. Since the 1950s , as plastics began to be mass manufactured and dumped into oceans in massive quantities, plastics have entered the food chain across the entire globe. Microplastics can be found in almost sample of human flesh examined by scientists. The accumulation of microplastics in the bodies of almost every human and other animals is probably the cause of the alarming increase of cancer victims in the past couple of decades. Especially since plastics are made of petroleum…a poisonous chemical that is known to cause cancer and other fatal diseases in humans and other organisms.
Just my two cents. The alarming increase in deaths since the 1950s from cancer is probably due to the chemical pollution, i.e plastics and other fossil fuel pollution, caused by industrial civilization.
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Here is a comedic doomer video for you guys to watch to brighten up the mood in the face of humanity’s impending doom!
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I think most people here are aware of the existence of Big Pharmaceutical companies aka Big Pharma who give people poisonous and mostly ineffective drugs to “cure” people of various mental and physical diseases…for profit, of course. And this isn’t some conspiracy theory. This is real. Rather than encouraging people to change their unhealthy life styles (which is the root causes of mental and physical illnesses), these pharmaceutical provide the masses with “cure all” pills, which only exaceleberate physical and mental illness , while giving people the illusion that they’ve been “cured”. Most of these corporate-produced drugs just provide people with a placebo cure of mental and physical illness. In other words, these corporate drugs as effective as sugar pills, for the most part. Taking a sugar pill will be just as effective as these “magical” drugs created by Big Pharma. But they are highly effective for generating profits for pharmaceutical companies. While giving the deluded disciples of technocapitalism the illusion that technology can fix any and all problems. Which is why they are peddled to the masses. Changes in life style will probably be much more effective for curing mental and physical illnesses than these fake “cure all” drugs that Big Pharma prescribes…but that is vehemently opposed because it reduces the profit margins of Big Pharma.
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I noticed that most people are brainwashed by our corporate mainstream media. They believe that “communism” or “socialism” is the cause of poverty in 3rd world countries LOL. They have been brainwashed to think that is the fault of “communism” that China, for example, is poor. Too bad they don’t realize that the term “communism” is just a fictitious term invented by American/Western corporate-state propaganda during the Cold War. There has NEVER been a true socialist country in modern history. All of the so-called “socialist/communist” countries of the past and present are actually state-capitalist countries. Like Nazi Germany. Soviet Union. And modern China. The average person doesn’t even understand the true definition of the term capitalism. Capitalism means CORPORATIONS that sell human labor for surplus value aka the profit motive (revenue minus cost equals profits). And banks and money lenders that sell money by requiring the burrower of money to pay back more money than the amount burrowed aka usury and interest-based money. So-called “communist” countries are dominated by both profit-driven corporations and banks charging interest on money, so they are really just capitalist countries disguised as “communism”. Obviously, the cause of socio-economic inequality is not “communism” or “socialism”…it is capitalism that is the case. Of course, just because I criticize the status quo of capitalism doesn’t make me a socialist because I don’t endorse socialism, by any means. Because socialism is impossible to implement in the real world (due to innate human psychological flaws). I mere point out the flaws of capitalism aka the status quo to show people how unsustainable and irredemably corrupt industrial civilization is.
I am pretty sure xraymike79 shares the same opinion I just mentioned.
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All I can ask anyone is how is that “Unregulated” free market capitalism working out?
QE,TARP,bailouts,near zero to zero interest rates,tax breaks for the rich/corporations,Factional (fictional) reserve lending,printing massive amounts of fiat currency is the only way to keep the delusion of capitalism alive? I’m sure Democrats & Republicans won’t end the delusion. If they won’t, NTHE will.
If one can’t take care of business,they don’t need to be in business.
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Here is something we doomers should all know by now. Even if there was an alternative to capitalism (which there obviously isn’t at this stage of the game), what good will that do for Homo sapiens? There are now over 8,000,000,000 humans on this planet. Increasing by 200,000 people everyday. Even if one can make the argument that the majority of natural resources are consumed by a minority of the human population (nearly 80% of natural resources is consumed by the top 20% of income earners in the world) , it still doesn’t change the fact that 20% of 8,000,000,000 people is still an insanely large number of people (1,500,000,000 people if you do the math). The idea that more equitable access to natural resources will make industrial civilization more sustainable is rather naive, I must say. Maybe the root of the problem isn’t capitalism or industrial civilization? Maybe the root of the problem is that Homo sapiens is inheritantly unsustainable as a species?
Consider the following link for an explanation of why humans are inheritantly unsustainable
https://dieoff.com/
And the following quote:
“””The destruction of the natural world is not the result of global capitalism, industrialisation, “Western civilisation” or any flaw in human institutions. It is a consequence of the evolutionary success of an exceptionally rapacious primate. Throughout all of history and prehistory, human advance has coincided with ecological devastation. — John Gray, STRAW DOGS”””
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Civil wars always detour any areas that right wing extremists live,shop or entertain themselves in.
Coming to Republican neighborhoods soon? Hope they all get selfies while standing in the middle of destroyed homes & bodies lying in the streets.My new motto:Violence is fun! I will be sending my thought & prayers.
440,000,000 million guns & the right wing must think that no one on the left possesses any.
I don’t know which great philosopher said: “Don’t start no shit & there won’t be no shit!”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/far-calling-civil-war-fbi-110000282.html
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Just FYI, most so-called social “critics” are just controlled opposition. The status quo only allows “dissent” that doesn’t interfere with their profit-making pyramid schemes! Anyone, who says anything that interferes with the profit-generation of corporations, will be instantly censored.
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Looks like someone doesn’t understand there were 81,000,000 Democratic voters that might have guns but it doesn’t matter because he’s ten feet tall & bullet proof.
People that have never heard high speed,hot lead whizzing by their ear don’t have a clue while running their mouths on the phone,sitting at a keyboard or rallying for trump.Living in interesting times in this industrial civilization.
My spell checker is pushing it’s luck. I’m tired of being corrected.
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Really, it doesn’t matter how the freak show of industrial civilization plays itself out. Whether you, I or anyone on these doomer sites is still alive when SHTF happens doesn’t really matter. We hardcore doomers all know what the SHTF will be like…probably a mass die-off of the global human population, potentially leading to human extinction. 10 years ago, I was trying to prepare myself for surviving the collapse of industrial civilization, until I realize it is completely hopeless. I live in a big city. And I know that moving to a small rural town in the middle-of-nowhere will do me absolutely no good. Those doomsday “preppers” are probably deluding themselves into thinking that they could survive TEOTWAWKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) if they did this or that. Moving out of a big city into the “middle of nowhere” will essentially be useless. Especially when you realize how doomed we really are. The zombie Apocalypse will probably really happen…when there is no more food ever being delivered to the grocery stores, the only thing left to eat is the corpses of other humans.
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Guy McPherson thinks that humans will be extinct by 2026? Or 2030? Unfortunately, I am fairly certain he is WRONG. There will probably be a helluva lot more people on this planet by 2026 or 2030. Probably 9,000,0000,000 clever apes will inhabit the Earth by 2030. Of course, the human population bubble will eventually crash. But I am fairly certainly there will be WAY more people on this planet in 2030 than ,right now, in 2022. Of course, no matter how many more people we manage to cram onto this overpopulated planet, NTHE is inevitable. In fact, the more people we manage to cram onto this planet, the less likely any humans will survive the collapse of industrial civilization. In fact, even if global population stabilized at 8,000,000,000 people, humanity is probably still doomed for NTHE because we are already too far into human population overshoot to save ourselves. Especially concerning how completely dependent we are on fossil fuels and global supply chains.
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The following quote from a previous thread on this site is worth showing
“”Ken Barrows on March 20, 2018 at 11:33 am
Good essay of course. But, contrary to received wisdom, we don’t live in an age of unprecedented technological advancement. That was decades ago. Now, it is pulling demand forward through debt and using gobs of energy for a few new gadgets. Even if one assumes the planet is not being destroyed, it is eating its seed corn.””
Yep, that is a good observation. Humanity is certainly running out of new groundbreaking technologies to invent. All we can now do is come up with a “new” iPhone every year, and pretend that is a sign of our unending technological “progress”. Or come up with a new video game console every year to stimulate consumer demand. There are countless other examples I can give. Most of these products are bought with burrowed money aka debt. And all of these consumer items are made of “gobs of energy” from fossil fuels. Like everything else coming from industrial civilization. Mass manufactured products, like smartphones and mechanical pencils, are actually very durable and long-lasting, and can be used for many years without the product breaking down, but thanks to planned obsolescence, people are encouraged to constantly buy “new” versions of the exact same product. Encouraged by non-stop marketing and advertising. Especially via social media websites.
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As for the topic of government censorship, yes I noticed that the corporate-state is actively censoring content on Youtube that exposes the problems of peak oil (and resource depletion in general), overpopulation, collapse of industrial civilization and near term human extinction (NTHE). They aren’t censoring climate change because it doesn’t hurt the profit margins of corporations to let people know about it. In fact, letting people know about climate change can prop up the construction and sales of solar panels, wind turbines and other “renewable” energy devices in order to “stop” the menence of climate change. It is profitable to let people know about climate change, so that corporations can sell to people “renewable” energy devices for profit. Of course, we here on these doomer sites know damn well that “renewable” energy is a sham, it will never replace fossil fuels, and it will not stop anthropogenic climate change. Peak oil, overpopulation/overconsumption, collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE are never discussed by mainstream media because it will lower the profit margins of corporations. Do you really think the corporate media would let people know about the reality of NTHE? Of course not.
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The collapse of the U.S. society is underway.
If I stay with anyone for 4 years & leave their house, taking their personal property I’m a deplorable thief.If one catches me, red handed, with stolen property I should hear & face, “Lock Him Up!”
Donald Trump is a deplorable thief. United States property was stolen from the White House & Archives. What do 328,000,000 stupid Americans not understand about theft?
I’ve had enough of Trump’s Party not taking responsibility. Those that are pissed off can invoke the 1st Amendment. Boycott all Republican supporting businesses & tell all of one’s freedom loving friends & family to do the same, or do nothing, which is what I expect from do nothing “I Voted” idiots. Republicans can do nothing unless they can eliminate the 1st Amendment. They certainly can’t make anyone spend their money anywhere they choose not to. It’s sad that 81,000,000,Democrats are incapable of critical thinking.I will wear this saying out: Get into someone’s wallet & you get their attention.
I’m looking forward to the collapse of the entitled American society & with it ,the industrial complex.
There shall be crying & gnashing of teeth.Come out from behind that curtain,NTHE & visit denial households.
Signed: Unfiltered codger. 😉
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Much to my displeasure, I think NTHE might not actually happen. There might be a few human survivors. Who might recreate the freakshow of human civilization all over again. After this civilization collapses. Assuming that there are any humans surviving past the end of the industrial age, it is pretty obvious that these survivors will behave no differently from every other human that ever existed. These post-Apocalypse humans will be nothing more than “exceptionally rapacious primates” like all of the other humans who ever existed on this planet. Let’s be real. All humans are exceptionally rapacious primates. Including everyone posting on this site. It is just that some humans are more skilled at accumulating wealth and power than others. But all humans are rapacious monkeys. Whether it is the billionaire elites controlling this civilization or the homeless bum on the street, they are both rapacious monkeys. Of course, when the sun becomes a red giant in another couple of billion years from now, we won’t need to worry about any humans surviving that. I am afraid that humans will persist on this planet until the sun engulfs the Earth in another couple of billion years from now.
Maybe the human plague will “last essentially forever” on this planet? Maybe belief in NTHE for doomers is just as delusional as the sheeple masses’ belief in humans colonizing other planets? I suspect it is very likely that some humans will survive the collapse of industrial civilization. And humans will continue existing on this planet after all wildlife goes extinct. Maybe 1000 years from now, the planet will harbour nothing but humans and our domesticated animals on an otherwise toxic lifeless planet? Who knows?
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“Much to my displeasure, I think NTHE might not actually happen.”
All my dreams are shattered. I was so hoping the baboon brain, monkey mind, Clever Ape would be getting what it deserves.
The consolation prize; Who will maintain the 440 plus nuclear power plants if the global pop. dwindles to a few? The survivors will get to live on a nuked planet!
I’ve already signed real estate contracts on a couple of Mars property. Hope the closing is soon. I’ve got to get away from this zoo.
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Ok I will be honest with you. I was being sarcastic by saying that NTHE won’t happen. It certainly will happen. I 100% look forward to seeing the collapse of industrial civilization happen. I know that collapse is inevitable at this point. 8,000,000,000 people plus 200,000 extra humans being crammed onto this planet everyday. And pretty much all of these 8,000,000,000 clever apes being 100% dependent on fossil fuel powered technology for survival. Even the poorest people in third world countries are 100% on fossil fuels for survival. The poorest people on Earth may not be driving cars or riding on airplanes. But the poorest third worlders are just as dependent on fossil fuels as affluent first worlders like us. Even the poorest people in the third world living in slums live in houses made out of cement and metal roofings…cement and metal roofings are, of course, by-products of fossil fuels. The clothing they wear is made out of industrial processes powered by fossil fuels. The food they eat is produced and delivered by fossil-fuel powered agriculture. I am pretty sure when industrial civilization does collapse sometime between 2025 to 2035, the end result is likely NTHE by 2040.
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I be loving me some sarcasm.
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Much to my displeasure, (almost) everyone outside of these doomer websites thinks that industrial civilization and humanity will last forever. Even though it is OBVIOUS to us doomers that this civilization is not far from its inevitable end, and humanity is indeed headed towards NTE.
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Speaking of getting what one deserves.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2022/08/15/15th-august-2022-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
I won’t comment on disasters in Muslim countries. I know that nothing happens against the Will of Allah. I would like to know what they did to piss Him off? Of course the true believers aren’t suffering.
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Despite the overwhelming evidence of anthropogenic climate change, many people still don’t believe that it is happening or being caused by human industrial activities.
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I believe we are headed for some hard times. There have been many disaster movies but I don’t think what we may be about to face will be entertaining.
Any crying ,weeping, bitching & moaning leads to the question: What did one do to stop moving in the NTHE direction & destination? The information about what anthropogenic global warming would do is not today’s breaking news,it’s been around for a while.
I know why Cool & I are the only ones posting here, everyone must be amazed at what they can learn from us. They are left speechless!
Rolling On The Floor! 😉
Laugh as often as possible, sadness sucks.
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It is not just anthropogenic climate disruption (ACD), but also peak oil/oil depletion (and resource depletion in general) that will cause global economies to collapse with zero chance of any economic recovery ever happening. Global oil extraction already hit its all time peak in 2019, and is now in permanent decline. And declining oil extraction means decreased economic activity, leading to permanent economic contraction. The economic crisis we face in the next 2 to 3 years due to peak oil/ACD is a crisis that is unpresecdented in severity. There hasn’t ever been a clusterfuck of civilization ending crisises as severe as what is happening/will happen. Permanent decline in global oil extraction (combined with a plethora of other factors) means economic contraction. Meaning mass unemployment, mass poverty, mass starvation, etc which will eventually destablize governments around the world. And eventually, global oil extraction will fall so low that the global supply chains and electrical grid permanently shut down. Leading to the collapse of industrial civilization.
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“This disaster is not the fault of those experiencing it. I consider myself an acquaintance of liberals and progressives and strive to abide no hate in the communities I live and work in. But to see folks of the same bent implying the assumed votes of the affected region in 2016 and 2020 and earlier are the reason why this man-made disaster has left them devastated is childish, infuriating and embarrassing.”
Mining companies have been destroying their habitat,for how long?
What did E. KY do to stop the destruction?
The mining companies took the profits elsewhere & left them with nothing? They did nothing,so they got nothing…..but a flood.
My Grandpa was a miner! My Pa was a miner! I’m a miner! My sons are gonna be miners. DOH!
Stupid doesn’t favor a political party. It seems to be at home with the species. How did Eastern KY vote? “(i.e. Chicago, LA, Austin)?” stupid is alive & well there too.
This title should be: “It’s Not My Fault!”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-eastern-kentucky-flood-no-092935995.html
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My great grand mother had six children. We, everyone on this planet right now, is the by-product of overpopulation. Of course, we can’t blame our parents for giving birth to us. Otherwise, we, ironically, won’t be here on the Internet watching the freakshow of industrial civilization. And I don’t blame the people, who are reproducing right now, because they–like all other humans and all other species on this planet–is merely following the script of population overshoot, collapse and die off.
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Blame is not necessary. Moist vaginas & hard penises will suffer the consequences of their actions.
My great grandparents had 12 children.
Time for me to brag. I did not bring more fossil fuel burners & habitat polluters into this finite environment.
Dying dumb from overpopulation is not a virtue.
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” What they came up with illustrates the region’s helplessness to meet a changing climate and its willingness to approach the brink of disaster for the sake of green grass.”
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/18082022/laredo-confronts-drought-and-water-shortage-without-a-wealth-of-options/
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Treason can collapse a society?
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Just FYI, I read somewhere that about 500 million people in Africa now have access to the Internet, so about 1/3 to 1/4 of Africa’s population has access to the Internet. So we shouldn’t think that “3rd world” countries are far behind “developed” countries in access to destructive modern technologies. Nor should we think they are less dependent on fossil fuels/modern technology than developed countries.
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“In 1847 Marsh gave a speech[8] to the Agricultural Society of Rutland County, Vermont, adhering to the idea that man’s activities influence local and regional climate by cutting and clearing forests, and draining swamps.”
“Man cannot at his pleasure command the rain and the sunshine, the wind and frost and snow, yet it is certain that climate itself has in many instances been gradually changed and ameliorated or deteriorated by human action. The draining of swamps and the clearing of forests perceptibly affect the evaporation from the earth, and of course the mean quantity of moisture suspended in the air. The same causes modify the electrical condition of the atmosphere and the power of the surface to reflect, absorb and radiate the rays of the sun, and consequently influence the distribution of light and heat, and the force and direction of the winds. Within narrow limits too, domestic fires and artificial structures create and diffuse increased warmth, to an extent that may affect vegetation. The mean temperature of London is a degree or two higher than that of the surrounding country, and Pallas believed, that the climate of even so thinly a peopled country as Russia was sensibly modified by similar causes.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Perkins_Marsh
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Too late for that warning. See the following link for an idea of the extent of deforestation in Europe.
http://www.classichistory.net/archives/european-forests
Obviously, at this late stage in civilization, the idea that “reforestation” will save us is a pipedream. There are now 8,000,000,000 people on this planet (with the population growing by 200,000 people per day). Most of the deforested land is used to grow crops. As long as the human population continues to grow, there is ZERO chance any of that land will be reforested because that land is mostly used to grow food for humans. Of course, a mass die off/extinction of humans might allow reforestation to actually happen. Otherwise, say bye bye to global forests.
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Global warming melts Swiss mountain pass unseen since Roman times
“In Switzerland, between the Scex Rouge and Tsanfleuron mountains, the Col de Tsanfleuron pass has been covered by ice for over 2,000 years. Just in 2012 the ice was 15 metres thick, but by the end of September it will be completely gone, Zenger News reports.
Glacier 3000, a cable car and ski lift company that operates in the area, has revealed the state of the state of the pass, saying that the average thickness of the two glaciers bordering the pass has reduced 3 times more this summer than the average for the previous 10 years.
Glaciologist Mauro Fischer, who is regularly on the site, attributes the “disastrous summer for the glaciers” to the abnormally hot summer coming after a dry winter. The researcher at the University of Bern estimates that the pass, sitting at an altitude of 2,800 meters, will be fully visible by the end of September.
In the same statement, Glacier 3000 estimates that a lake will form in the place of the Scex Rouge glacier over the next 10 to 15 years, with a depth of about 10 metres and a volume of 250,000 cubic metres, or about 250 million litres.
The company also pointed out that the winter sports taking place in the mountains do not affect the ice. On the contrary, the snow gets compacted by skiers and compacted snow melts slower, thus the glacier does not melt as much during summer. They also cover parts of the glacier with tarps in spring, which further protects it in the summer.”
https://traveltomorrow.com/global-warming-melts-swiss-mountain-pass-unseen-since-roman-times/
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Here is a brief history of Homo Sapiens summarized in a few paragraphs.
From Douglas Dixon’s book After Man: A Zoology of the Future
“””The first men were plant gatherers and animal hunters and differed little in life style from other herbivorous and carnivorous animals around them. They had sufficient intellect to devise tools and weapons and a social organization that made hunting and food gathering more efficient. Neither of these things, however, made any serious impact on the environment.
The first great change in their life style came when, instead of hunting and gathering animals and plants they brought them together and looked after them in a single location. This eliminated the element of danger present in hunting and reduced the probability of starvation, as there was no longer the possibility of returning empty-handed from a foraging expedition. It was the beginning of agriculture.
At first the areas under cultivation were small and relatively insignificant. However, the improvements to early man’s way of life were so dramatic that his population increased markedly and more and more land had be cleared of its natural vegetation to make room for crops and grazing animals.
As man’s ingenuity and tool-making ability grew, he invented industrial processes that could produce tools with greater speed and less trouble than before. This inevitably involved heat, and forests were cut down to supply wood and mountainsides were dug away to reach coal to provide fuel. Within a few thousand years the landscape of earth was changed out of all recognition.
Man’s knowledge grew, most significantly in the field of medical science. Accidents and diseases that help to keep natural populations in check were overcome or reduced in their effect by man’s endeavours. Genetic defects that, in the wild, would have proved fatal and would have been eliminated by natural selection were perpetuated because their possessors were allowed to live and reproduce. World population increased exponentially and hardly a region of the earth’s surface remained untouched by man.
The ultimate effect was that, whereas other animals change and adapt through the slow process of evolution to fit into their environment, man was able to change his environment to suit his current needs, reaping a short-term advantage in the process. Living outside evolution each stage in his rapid cultural development was passed on to next generation, not through his genes but by learning. Although he avoided the unpleasent effects of natural selection, he also did without its long-term benefits and in short called a halt to evolution as it applied to himself. The result was a world overburdened by a population of beings unable to survive without their own conscious intervention, a world given over to the essential needs of man, a world poisoned by his waste.
Ultimately the earth could no longer supply the raw materials needed for man’s agriculture, industry or medicine, and as shortage of supply caused the collapse of one structure after another, his whole complex and interlocking social and technological edifice crumbled. Man, no longer able to adapt, rushed uncontrollably to his inevitable extinction.
With the dominant life form gone the animal world would enter a period of evolutionary chaos that lasted tens of thousands of years. However, man’s extinction provided the impetus for the formation of many new species of animals and his disappearance was of fundamental importance in shaping the world that emerged 50 million years later.”””
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In my class on how to become a genius,climate change got A+ & extra credit. C.C. understands that to get someone’s attention one has to get into some wallets.Climate Change will be leading the class while I’m on hiatus, laughing at the stupids.
“Extreme heat and drought conditions are battering the United States, Europe and China, compounding problems for workers and businesses at a time when economic growth is already slowing sharply and adding to upward pressure on prices.”
At least there won’t be any effect on the 8,000,000,000 Special children.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/18/business/heatwave-global-economy/index.html
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Here is the Facebook group I mentioned earlier about NTHE (Near Term Human Extinction)
https://m.facebook.com/groups/196445907621709/?ref=pages_group_cta
At least, we are still granted the freedom of speech to discuss this topic on the Internet. Hopefully, that privelege lasts until the Internet finally permanently goes out when the electric grids permanently black outs. It would suck not being able to talk about NTHE when the Internet is still online/industrial civilization still hasn’t completely collapsed yet.
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I’m waiting to see cellphones stop working. That’s when one will see monkey minds go bananas. “WTF! I CAN”T TEXT!”
I love sarcasm when it contains a dash of truth.
My cousin, when he saw every light in a city on,would ask. “What’s wrong with the dark?” The answer is FEAR,False Evidence Appearing Real.
To bad monkey minds can’t turn on the light in their baboon brains.
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Well, for anyone born after 1980, they might not need to worry about saving up for retiring in their 60 year old age since civilization might not be around in the 2040s and beyond.
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What will the world look like by 2030 (assuming industrial civilization hasn’t collapsed by then)? I would assume there won’t be any breakthrough technologies that will be invented from 2022 onwards (like I mentioned earlier on this thread about the rapidly declining rate of technological innovation in the 21st century). I would imagine that 2030 will yield more of the same as today. Just ask yourself this simple question…what major breakthrough technologies were invented in the past 8 years (since 2014)? Virtually nothing. And I doubt any breakthrough technologies will be invented in another 8 years from now… in 2030. And I would imagine, industrial civilization will be just as completely dependent on fossil fuels in 2030 as it is today. 2030 will probably be much worse than 2022…with the world being even more overpopulated (with global human population nearing 9,000,000,000 people by then). With abrupt climate change and weather wierding being even worse than now. With even more poverty, unemployment, starvation and crime than today.
So what do you think 2030 will be like? I would imagine 2030 will be even worse than today…as is the case with every passing year for many decades prior.
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440+ nuclear power plants.
I love the glow of nuclear explosions at dawn.
Anytime my wife & I hear 2030 or 2050 used in relation to any subject.
The language gets pretty risque. Guy McPherson’s NTHE date is still 2026? Do we have fewer tomorrows than yesterdays? I do!
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Global oil extraction peaked at around 95 million barrels/day (mbpd) in 2019. It has declined to 85 mbpd by today in 2022. In 2025, it is projected to decline to 55 to 60 mbpd. In 2030, it is projected to decline to a measely 35 to 40 mbpd. Do you have any idea what the peaking and continuous decline of world oil extraction will have on the global economy? Declining global oil extraction (due to oil depletion/peak oil) means decreased economic activity… meaning global economic contraction as global oil extraction continues to decline. As the availability of oil continues to decline, the economy will continue to contract leading to increased poverty, unemployment, homelessness and starvation. Contracting economy due to people consuming less stuff, due to the decrease in energy/oil availability. Economic activity is directly linked to energy/resource consumption, as we should already know. Once the global oil extraction drops below 40 mbpd we will probably have complete economic collapse by around 2030. I do predict that the global electricity grids and supply chains will start to permanently fail due to peak oil/oil depletion (as well as the depletion of other natural resources like top soils copper, aluminium, silver, titanium, gold and rare Earth metals. Don’t forget about the “peak everything” crisis!). Sometime during the 2030s. Meaning the collapse of industrial civilization. As the global economy continues to contract over next 5 to 10 years, poverty, starvation, unemployment and homeless will continuously increase. Leading to increased social unrest and crime. This is why law enforcement is becoming militarized and Internet surveillance has been increased over the past two decades. To deal with the upcoming massive social unrest caused by peak oil and economic collapse.
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Here is a few documentaries about peak oil that are worth watching
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This following article is also worth reading.
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-07-15/climate-change-and-resource-depletion-which-way-to-ruin-is-faster/
It asks whether resource depletion or climate chaos will be the bigger factor to the collapse of industrial civilization. Or perhaps both?
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During the Holocene epoch, the human population has exponentially doubled by about 10 to 11 times. Starting with about 5,000,000 people in 8,000 B.C. to a full 8,000,000,000 people by 2022. It grew by a little over 1,000 fold in just the past 10,000 years. Here is the math I did to arrive at this conclusion:
5,000,000 people at 8,000 B.C at the beginning of the discovery of agriculture
10,000,000 (first doubling) at the early Neolithic Period, probably around 6,000 B.C. (maybe ceramics were invented at this time?)
20,000,000 (second doubling) at the late Neolithic Period, probably around 4,000 B.C. when metallgury was first developed
40,000,000 (third doubling) at the dawn of civilization circa 3,000 B.C. and the earliest written records known to mankind
80,000,000 (fourth doubling) by the early Iron Age circa 1,000 B.C during the age of the Old Testament of the Bible
160,000,000 (fifth doubling) by the time of Classical Greece/early Roman Republic circa 500 B.C.
320,000,000 (sixth doubling) by the end of the Western Roman Empire/early Middle Ages circa 500 A.D
640,000,000 (seventh doubling) by the beginning of 1700 A.D or the early industrial age when the first steam engines were invented
1,200,000,000 (eighth doubling) by the mid 19th century /1840s-1850s A.D aka the early Victorian Era/steam engine locomotive age
2,400,000,000 (ninth doubling) by the end of World War 2 when internal-combustion engine vehicles have become ubiquitious and largely replaced steam-engine locomotives
4,800,000,000 (tenth doubling) by the early 1980s aka the beginning of the PC (Personal Computer)/Internet age
9,600,000,000 (eleventh doubling) projected global human population by 2050s
We reached the 10th exponential doubling in the early 1980s when global human population reached 4.8 billion people. We are now living within the final exponential doubling of global human population at a full 8 billion people. Will we reach 9.6 billion people aka the 11th exponential doubling by 2050? I doubt it. Global human population will probably crash before we finish the 11th doubling. Do you guys agree with my calculations?
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Tad Patzek uses a different starting point, so has us in the 20th doubling.
Using his calculations, not only will there not be a 21st doubling, but the 20th doubling won’t be completed either.
https://patzek-lifeitself.blogspot.com/2019/06/green-new-deal-part-ii.html
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Well, this just shows the power of exponential growth. That even a small number of a few hundred people, with exponential growth, can reach several billion people after tens of thousands of years. I do assume that the original group of Homo sapiens was as small population of just a few hundred individuals. But over tens of thousands of years, it eventually reached a population of several billion people. I also assume that all humans on Earth originated from that small group of the first Homo sapiens.
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Religious nutjobs can always assist in the collapse of society.
When one asks what the future may hold, church bombings & burnings might be in one’s prophecy,we have precedent,it’s happened in the past. Some may join their Lord sooner than expected. Throwing rocks when one gathers with others in a building where everyone knows when & where is not the best strategy.
The simplest response to idiots is: Be careful who you or others piss off. Freedom of speech & religion does not trump those that are angry enough to take physical actions.
An old saying; “Don’t let your mouth overload your ass.”
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It is plain as hell–from the insanity of organized religion to the absurdity of mainstream media–that the collapse of industrial civilization isn’t far away. Let’s just make sure we do not attract the attention of those nutjobs. Of course, people posting on this site may be considered “nutjobs” by the mainstream media because we happen to be smart enough to realize the impossibility of maintaining BAU and the inevitability of human population overshoot/collapse/die-off. Those religious fanatics may be considered “normal” in the eyes of the sheeple masses. After all, organized religions have managed to convince most of people on this planet that there is an invisible man living in the sky called “God”, so maybe those religious fanatics are just a projection of the insanity and delusion of the masses? Of course, we both know that NTHE awaits humanity, and maybe NTHE might be an inevitable outcome of humanity’s reckless and destructive activities?
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This is not required listening.
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Here is an article illustrating the environmental damage caused by mining Rare Earth Elements. Used in electronics like smartphones, computers and TVs and so-called “renewable” energy devices such as wind turbines, solar panels and electric cars. There really is no “free lunch” because all industrial processes cause catastrophic environmental damage
https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-wrestles-with-the-toxic-aftermath-of-rare-earth-mining
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When civilization collapses,how many cops will become targets?
WAIT! Civilization is collapsing. Cops! Brace yourselves & gird your loins!
When SHTF the odor will spread everywhere.
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Like I mentioned earlier, the multiple converging crisis for industrial civilization, in the 21st century, are an accumulation of all the problems human civilization has created over the past 10,000 years. We, humans, managed to “solve” one problem, which only lead to the creation of additional problems. For every one problem we “solved” via technology and human ingenuity, two or three extra problems resulted. We now have many “solutions” to our prior problems. But we’ve accumulated way too many unsolvable problems. The sheer overwhelming mass of the accumulated/unsolvable problems will soon completely overwhelm whatever false “solutions” civilization has invented. Thus, resulting in the collapse of industrial civilization and NTHE. Just look at the graph of human population growth throughout human history. That, by itself, is proof that human civilization will soon catastrophically and abruptly collapse because exponential human population growth cannot last forever on a finite Earth.
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Yep!
Each small action might be just one of a thousand cuts.
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The following article is a prime example of one of the many problems civilization has created, and then humans invented a “solution” for it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink
“Pollute the river, on which a city is built, by dumping one’s feces and other industrial waste into the river? No problem. Just build an elaborate sewage system that transports the polluted water into an area outside of the city”
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For those that thought it but were afraid to say it; That’s a shitty situation.
I’ve been looking at pictures of China’s drying rivers that flow through huge cities.How’s that civilization working for a constantly growing population? The only way to fix stupid is to alter the Clever Apes DNA.
Returning to normal might be beyond anyone’s technological skills. Oh! Wait! Just hit the fix key. I’m ready to help solve our problems as long it takes no effort or disturbs my set of living arrangements. 😉
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Fresh water scarcity is one of the biggest problems of the 21st century, yet humans continue to pollute their finite fresh water supplies. Now, we have “waste treatment” facilities to “purify” polluted waters. Which sounds good. Except those waste treatment facilities require a constant supply of electricity and uninterrupted global supply chains (which depend on fossil fuels, like everything else in the 21st century). When the supply chains and electricity grids permanently fail, not only will there be no more food being delivered to supermarkets, there also won’t be water flowing out of the taps. And it doesn’t take a genius to figure what will happen when there isn’t anymore food or water supplies being delivered to cities.
This might sound unbelievable…the idea of collapse of industrial civilization/ NTHE might sound like a crackpot idea… until one realizes the evidence for this theory is absolutely overwhelming. It is also becoming increasingly obvious that there doesn’t exist any deux ex machina technofix that will magically extend the life expectancy of industrial civilization. Especially when we already discussed how the rate of technological innovation in the 21st century is rapidly declining.
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https://mahb.stanford.edu/library-item/human-population-through-time/
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Bet this planet was really nice 250,000 years ago.
Watching the pop. growth was so sad that it made me sick.
The best argument for abortion; Cain & Abel.
The Clever Apes could have just said “NO” but instead they are FTTT – Fucking Themselves To Tears.
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Except I, you and everyone else on this site (and on this planet) won’t be here if it wasn’t for human overpopulation. Is it kinda funny that we are born onto this planet just to watch civilization fall apart during the end times?
I assume that industrial capitalism is already starting to cannibalize itself since economic growth is no longer possible after global peak oil extraction was reached in 2019. Now, that global oil extraction is in permanent decline, economic contraction will continue indefinitely into the future. Meaning more and more businesses go bankrupt, more employees get laid off due to businesses being unable to make a profit. Thus, leading to mass poverty, homelessness, unemployment, starvation and crime on a scale never before seen in human history. Combined with climate chaos wrecking havoc on agriculture and other aspects of civilization, global famine on an unpresedented scale is now looming on the horizon.
It is really simple. As global oil extraction declines, there is less energy available for economic activities since the economy is powered by energy from fossil fuels. The less economic activity there is, the more the economy contracts. Leading to mass starvation, poverty, homelessness, crime and unemployment. And as global oil extraction continues to decline, the global economy will continue to contract. Leading to a viscious cycle of ever-increasing poverty and other forms of social decay. How long industrial civilization will last would ultimately depend on how long industrial capitalism can cannibalize itself, as its fossil fuel energy supply continues to decline. Of course, when the fossil fuel extraction rates drop below a certain level, the global supply chains and electrical grids permanently fail. Thus leading to the collapse of industrial civilization.
The next 2 to 3 years (from now up til 2025/2026) will be unbelievably horrific, as mass poverty, starvation, unemployment and crime will skyrocket due to declining fossil fuel extraction and climate chaos. I can’t imagine how horrible 2026 to 2030 will be like, as societal decay will drive millions (and billions) of people to point of insanity and death.
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” I can’t imagine how horrible 2026 to 2030 will be like, as societal decay will drive millions (and billions) of people to point of insanity and death.”
How long will cellphone service continue while societies collapse?
Getting into someone’s wallet(boycotts) to get their attention takes second chair to the collapse of cellphone service. That’s something I’m really looking forward to. There shalt bitching & moaning as they fall like flies from global warming.
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Human civilization is doing an exceptionally good job at rendering the Earth uninhabitable to humans and all other organisms. The evidence for NTHE is increasingly obvious to me and other “red pilled” people. Of course, nobody knows the exact date of when the last human on Earth will perish. However, I suspect NTHE will probably occur between 2030 to 2080. Most likely before 2100. Of course, nobody knows who the last person on Earth will be. I doubt anyone on these doomer sites will be the last human on Earth. Or maybe I am wrong? Who knows?
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“July 2022: CO2 equivalent 500+ ppm”
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I dislike hopium. I am absolutely appauled by the clueless morons who think that industrial civilization is sustainable. I am also displeased by those people that think that humanity can sustainably live on this planet. The only “hopium” I have is that these doomer sites stay online until the electricity grid permanently goes offline.
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“clueless morons”, stop the compliments of these $(^@+?”*!;%…. 😉
I think I’ll search doomer sites to see which one’s promote facts & reality & not sensationalism.
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So do you think it is based on facts and reality to state that humans lack in the ability to live sustainably on the Earth? Guy McPherson’s claim of NTHE happening by 2030 is a prime example of sensationalism. I seriously doubt human extinction by 2030. But the claim that humans lack in the ability to live sustainably on this planet is certainly a reality.
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I think that we are in the process of NTHE. I never took his 2026 date for NTHE as definite fact. Maybe I need to read his exact quote. There is a Beril Sirmacek video with McPherson, Jim Massa, Kevin Hester & other, where one mentions a paper that said that there might not be anyone on the planet in 2024 if my memory is correct. No one can see into the future,except me. We’re fucked!
Wait! We fucked ourselves!
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Well, we already discussed ad nauseum the minutia of factors leading to the collapse of industrial civilization/ NTHE on this site. Now, the only question is how do we spend the rest of our lives before TEOTWAWKI happens. How should we make the most of our remaining time on Earth before the end of civilization happens? That is what we should be asking IMO.
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A comedy of errors created by the Clever Ape’s overpopulation of it’s special children?
https://climateandeconomy.com/2022/08/29/29th-august-2022-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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And you know what I find hilarious? That these “civilized” humans think they are “free” when in fact they are actually completely enslaved.
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We are all born into this ritual delusion of unlimited growth & many are happy to be owned by it. When we see millions dying from Climate Change,I will be asking, “How’s that delusion working out for them & their loved ones?”
“Well I know it wasn’t you who held me down
Heaven knows it wasn’t you who set me free
So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains
And we never even know we have the key” – “Already Gone” – Eagles
“Been a long time crossing Bridge of Sighs” – Robin Trower
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Have you ever read any of Derrick Jensen’s books? His books make a very good analysis and critique on human civilization. Especially of capitalist industrial civilization.
One thing we should all know by now. Overpopulation/human population overshoot is NOT the root of industrial civilization’s problems. It is merely a SYMPTOM of industrial civilization. The root of industrial civilization’s problems is CAPITALISM, which encourages overpopulation/overconsumption for never-ending profit and power for the rich elites.
Regardless of the causes, this civilization is truly unsustainable and pathological. Thanks to European colonism over the past 500 or so years, the disease of Western civilization has spread throughout the world, destroying indigenious cultures. And spreading the evils of Abrahamic religions and global capitalism across the globe. I am anti-Abrahamic religions and anti-capitalist. I think Western religion and capitalism is dehumanizing and destructive. I think a religion and way of life that respects humanity and the natural world is good, like the indigenous cultures of the world. Which sadly have been mostly exterminated by the spread of Western civilization.
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Here is a link to one of Derrick Jensen’s books. I hope you enjoy reading it!
https://archive.org/details/endgame-2-derrick-jensen/Endgame1-Derrick_Jensen/
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Since the tagline for the proprietor’s site here references the “truth,” an objection should be noted.
Derrick Jensen’s ideas are as empty and worthless as a hologram. What he advocates for in his books is for some ersatz form of monkey wrenching, though as the recent Green Scare shows, that gets you dead, on the run, insane, or ready to flip when the fuzz gets wind of you. What towers has Dj ever knocked over?
And his DGR has been outed as just another personality cult. Also, his letter to the Black Bloc, co-written with Pastor Hedges, scanned as if typed with the gun of a parole officer trained on him to follow the fuzz’s dictation.
Other than that, read our modern-day Thoreau away!
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Well, here is a BIG problem with Derrick Jensen’s ideas. Does he honestly think that anyone is willing to dismantle industrial civilization for the sake of “saving” the biosphere? I doubt he actually believes that humans would voluntarily dismantle industrial civilization. But we here know the truth…industrial civilization’s collapse is inevitable because of the sheer overwhelming number of people currently alive on this planet (along with a plethora of other reasons). Let’s be honest, how many of the 8,000,000,000 humans currently alive on this planet can survive without industrial civilization? I reckon that number is close to zero.
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You’re right, but it’s not like it’s the end of the world or anything (inside COIC joke).
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“Overpopulation/human population overshoot is NOT the root of industrial civilization’s problems.”
Freedom to think what one wants does not make any of us correct. I know,I made one mistake. 😉
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Which mistake did you make? Regardless, I think capitalism will stay until industrial civilization ends. Notice the recent but gradual increase of the price of food? I suspect it is because the elites are intentionally increasing the price of food to push people from the bottom of the socio-economic system off of the cliff. Why they are doing this I do not know.
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Now it’s 2 mistakes! I forgot the first one.
When the stinky stuff hits the fan, I will still be asking; How is that unregulated free market capitalism working out for the global economy?
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It allows food to be allocated in the most economically “efficient ” way via the free market! Meaning, access to food items will flow in only one direction; towards, those who can afford it. Those who cannot afford food can either starve to death, riot on streets or get killed by the police. I would imagine if you can afford to buy food from a grocery store, some starving homeless person will rob it or steal it from you the moment you leave the grocery store or head on back home. This is probably already the case in many parts of the world. And this will soon manifest everywhere on the planet. Any civilian carrying food on the streets will probably get robbed at gunpoint by anyone who cannot afford food but is desperate for it.
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At my school of “Hope the Dummies will someday learn something”, I just failed 60 students. It’s their last class before graduating as a Phd in economics.
The 3 questions on the test.
1. – What is inflation?
2. – Who’s responsible?
3. – What are investments?
Answers:
1. – Price gouging to maintain & continue increasing the bottom line.
2. – One’s neighbor that owns stock in gouging businesses while getting into one’s wallet increasing their own profit.
3. – Gambling.
I thought about moving to our medical school. I would be asking only one question of my students:
1. – What is our worse disease?
Answer: Stupidity.
I’m trying to create a joke that ends with the punchline; “The Clever Ape”. Wait! That is the joke.
Big 😉
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Well, the thing about overpopulation is that most people on this site, should already know, that the global human population is WAY too large by any context. I might have said that overpopulation is not the root of industrial civilization’s problems. The root of industrial civilization’s problems is, not surprisingly, industrial civilization itself. Why did I mention that overpopulation is not the root of humanity’s problems? Because the cause of overpopulation is agriculture and human civilization . If we didn’t discover agriculture and subsequently developed human civilization, the global human population would never have reached anywhere near 8 billion people. We probably would never have reached even 1% of 8 billion people if we didn’t discover agriculture (probably no more than 10 million people on this globe could exist without agriculture). Of course, when the global human population bubble does crash in the not-too-distant future, I doubt humanity would or could revert back to hunting and gatherering. Because nobody on this planet can truly survive without fossil fuels/agriculture/industrial civilization because the knowledge for hunting and gatherering is now completely gone. In addition, the abundance of wild animals that sustained hunting societies is gone, and the top soil is completely destroyed to such a degree that simple agriculture would not be possible for any post-Apocalyse people. As this blog mentioned in a prior article in 2020, “collapse of industrial civilization, and its vast amount of (economic) specialization, combined with planet-wide ecological collapse could very easily lead to human extinction”. We already know that the collapse of industrial civilization is literally inevitable. That would probably occur before 2040. Combined with the on-going 6th mass extinction of the planetary biosphere, it seems like human extinction will probably occur soon after the collapse of industrial civilization is complete. Probably human extinction within the next 20 to 30 years. Of course, anthropogenic climate change is real. But even if you ignore it, just from human overpopulation/collapse of industrial civilization and the on-going 6th mass extinction alone, NTHE seems like a logical conclusion.
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Russia might help with overpopulation.
This could be another of the 1000 cuts of a species’ self destruction but might be long,deep & wide. OUCH!
“Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov also pointed to the country’s military doctrine that envisages the use of nuclear weapons in case of a threat to the existence of the Russian state.”
“We have repeatedly warned the U.S. about the consequences that may follow if the U.S. continues to flood Ukraine with weapons,” Ryabkov said. “It effectively puts itself in a state close to what can be described as a party to the conflict.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-warns-us-off-sending-145319107.html
Wonder if Russian mothers are going to enjoy their children being victims of severe radiation burns? Use of nuclear weapons have consequences. “Sorry sweetheart! Mother can’t do anything to stop the suffering.”
Europe could deport all Russian citizens,stop all Russian flights over European territory, confiscate all Russian property in Europe or do nothing.
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The thing about human overpopulation is that most people don’t realize that cities/civilization are fundamentally unsustainable. Especially industrial civilization. But even pre-industrial civilization like ancient Rome/ancient China, etc are fundamentally unsustainable. The population density is not really that important. What is important is “how many people can a particular area of land support without modern technology/fossil fuels?” Ask yourself this simple question: “can a megacity–like Tokyo, Japan– support its population without 24/7, fossil-powered, global supply chains?” The answer is…when the global supply chains and electricity grids permanently fail in the near future, the carrying capacity of a megacity , like Tokyo, would be quickly reduced from 15 million people to literally zero people within perhaps just a few months. Basically, what I am suggesting is thst a mass Malthusian die off of the global human population is inevitable within this decade or next decade. The article I posted–called Energy and Human Evolution– is not exaggerating by mentioning that modern humans, quite literally, cannot survive without fossil fuels. Especially when you realize how completely and utterly dependent Homo Sapiens is of fossil fuels.
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I think everyone on this site should know by now that the leading cause of the 6th mass extinction is not Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), but human overpopulation/population overshoot. While AGW/ocean acidification is destroying marine and terrestrial ecosystems to a large degree, the MAIN cause of biodiversity loss on this planet is human overpopulation. Our agriculture/food production system is the leading cause of biodiversity loss on this planet. Anyone, who is still reproducing humans, has absolutely no right to say that they are “saving the planet”. Yet, many of these human breeders, ironically, think they are “saving the planet” by recycling, driving electric vehicles, supporting “green” energy, buying “sustainably” harvested wood products, etc. All of these actions are absolutely futile in saving the biosphere because the simple fact that they are breeding humans is what is accelerating the destruction of the Earth’s biosphere. The ONLY meaningful action in reducing one’s ecological footprint/biospheric destruction is to never reproduce. Of course, reducing one’s consumption of natural resources i.e. living frugally also helps, but the moment a person has biological children, they have added more biosphere-destroying humans onto this planet. Reducing or eliminating one’s purchases of luxury items–like extra smartpbones, computers, cars, and furniture–obviously reduces one’s ecological footprint, but not breeding any humans is the most effective way to reduce resource consumption, pollution and biospheric destruction. Don’t you agree?
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“Think about that for a minute.”
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Remember, we now have an Arctic Ocean that is completely ice free during the summer months. That might explain the abnormal weather events and abrupt shift in climate around the world.
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Sorry, the collapse of industrial civilization might be more unpleasant than one expects. Any collapse could be harsh for the entitled rich, wealthy & affluent? They can buy exotic cars & yachts,own more than one mansion,just like painting a target on their backs. The pissed-off don’t care where the target is located. Appearing to be destitute may hurt one’s ego but it might protect one’s health.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/sep/02/rising-costs-threaten-global-unrest-say-risk-analysts
“When people lose everything & have nothing left to lose,they lose it.”
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We need to worry about our fiat currency & ignore the destruction of our habitat. Let’s not prepare for anything until it’s too late. One’s set of living arrangements might change more than they can handle. How many have fallen from the middle class since 2008? Many of the middle class is now in the lower class, more to added soon?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202209/1274500.shtml
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You and everyone else on this site should know by now that the only thing allowing for the continued consumption of natural resources is people burrowing money, getting into debt to buy mass-produced junk. Like I mentioned earlier on this thread, technological innovation has been in rapid decline in the past two to three decades. There really isn’t any new breakthrough technologies for humans to invent. During the 21st century, the only major technological innovations were in the fields of IT (Information Technologies), which has allowed the governments and corporations to better monitor and control the sheeple masses.
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I just read an article a few weeks ago about how Canada will electricify half its buses by 2025 (this article was written around January 2022). And what are the chances of this promise being fulifilled? Well, we intelligent people, who understand how the laws of physics work, know that this promise is 100%, hopium nonsense. There are even ridiculous articles spreading the false news of how we will eventually electricify all transportation i.e. electric trucks, electric airliners, electric cargo boats, etc by 2030 or 2040. This is all nonsense because we intelligent people know that the electricity is nowhere energy-dense enough to power the giant vehicles required to operate the global supply chains. Besides, electricity is NOT an energy source. Electricity is generated by burning or converting an energy source into electricity. Fossil fuels is still the energy source that is the edifice of industrial civilization. All other “alternative” energies–like hydroelectricity, biofuels, wind turbines, solar panels, nuclear fission, etc–are by-products of fossil fuels, and cannot exist without the edifice provided by fossil fuels.
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30 years! We shall see,or not,depending on NTHE.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02092022/study-finds-that-mississippi-river-basin-could-be-in-an-extreme-heat-belt-in-30-years/
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It is becoming increasingly obvious that the American “Dream” is a sham. Most people are in poverty and debt slavery. That is the so-called American “Dream” lol. Forgot about the middle class. There is now only two classes in the world…the uber wealthy elites, who compromise of a tiny percentage of the human population. And the vast masses living in poverty and debt slavery.
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Wonder how long all the violent rhetoric will continue before shooting starts? Bet that can shut down an economy.
These aren’t my Golden Years,these are my Exciting Years.
Can’t wait to see blood in the streets & people afraid to come out of their homes. Traffic jambs will disappear. There just won’t be road rage shootings. 😉
I learning to enjoy this stupid pandemic.
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The mainstream media (and almost everyone) is under the delusion that business-as-usual (BAU) can continue indefinitely into the future. Most people are under the delusion that humans will always invent new technologies that will keep industrial civilization afloat, forever, and that technological “progress” will constantly improve the quality of life. Most people are under the delusion that the Earth has infinite natural resources, and that peak oil (resource depletion in general) is all bunk.
We, “doomers”, know that the mainstream media is all bunk. Technology cannot prevent industrial civilization from its inevitable collapse. Technology cannot replenish depleted, nonrenewable, and irreplaceable natural resources. Technology does not improve people’s lives. It just makes people more dependent on our increasingly-unsustainable civilization.
The Earth does not have infinite nonrenewable (or renewable) resources. Peak oil and resource depletion is, indeed, real. It is taking more and more energy to extract and refine lower-quality fossil fuels and metallic ores. The easy-to-access fossil fuels and metallic ores are mostly depleted by 2022.
For example, back during Roman times (like 2000 years ago) , civilized humans could extract and refine high-quality metallic ores (like iron , copper, tin, lead, silver and gold) with minimum energy. Those metallic ore mines were close to major cities, the ores had high-concentrations of metals, the ores could be extracted from mines that weren’t very deep underground, etc. Now, in 2022, the easy-to-access metal mines are completely depleted. Now, the only mines worth exploiting are located in remote areas far away from cities (meaning it requires increasing amounts of energy to transport the extracted metals from mines, in the middle-of-nowhere, to factories in cities, to be converted into industrial goods). The ores are of much lower-quality (only tiny amounts of metals can be extracted from massive amounts of dirt and overburden. Lower and lower concentrations of metals from mining). And we have to dig deeper and deeper into the ground to extract metal ores. Obviously, this is a sign that industrial civilization cannot last for much longer.
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly.
But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself.
For the traitor appears not a traitor…He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
He rots the soul of a nation…he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city…he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.”
— Cicero; 42 B.C.
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It is worth noting that most of Homo sapiens to ever live on Earth were born after 1 A.D at the height of the Roman Empire when that quote was uttered by Cicero. There has been a total of 150 billion to 200 billion humans to ever live on this planet during Homo sapien’s 300,000 year lifespan on Earth. Apparently, most of those people lived in the last 1% of the life expectancy of Homo sapiens, so around 100 billion people were born during the past two thousand years. About 8 billion of those people are alive right now. At least 1/2 of the 8 billion people currently alive on this planet are under the age of 25 years old. About 120 million people are born every year…minus 30 million deaths per year, equaling a population growth of 90 million people per year. Perhaps, we are among the last humans to ever walk the Earth? Or, at the very least, anyone, born from this point onward, will most certainly be among the last humans to ever walk on Earth before the inevitable collapse of the global human population bubble in the not-too-distant future.
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Thanks for the numbers.
Whatever the numbers are,it’s too many.
Someone could have told my parents that their Clever Ape would not be special before it was conceived, as if that would have made a difference.
Stupid offspring don’t fall far from the stupid tree. 😉
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The truth be told is none of us on this site knows the exact date of TEOTWAWKI. There is no way we can predict which exact year it will happen on. But when does the collapse of industrial civilization does happen, it would be very obvious. Even though CoIC hasn’t happened yet (after all, the Internet and electricity grid is still online, right?), the signs of humanity’s NTE are very obvious…the most obvious being the exponential growth of global human population. The other being the disappearance of the natural world/biosphere from human activities. The other being the unsustainability of the global economy…it is very obvious (to any intelligent person) that our whole economic system is based on lies…the first being that humanity is seperate from and superior to the natural world. The other is our delusional belief that techology will magically “fix” all of humanity’s problems.
It is very obvious that humanity’s presence on this planet is unsustainable. So yes, humanity’s extinction in the near term seems inevitable.
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We don’t know the date but it’s getting closer everyday.
I’m dreading the the pain & suffering that we will experience in the near future due to our brainwashed delusions. Its going to be hard on the deniers & the ignorant.
“It won’t happen to me! I’m 10 feet tall & bullets bounce off me.” You must be an idiot,too. 😉
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It also seems like we are at the pinnacle of technological “progress” . I don’t think it is possible to make increasingly “technologically advanced” computers, smartphones, cars, planes, and all of the other fossil fuel-based technologies because of the law of diminishing returns. Ask yourself this simple question…what “breakthrough” technologies were developed since 2010? The only way we can fool ourselves into believing in the myth of technological progress is by coming up with a new iPhone or video game console every year with minor modifications from the previous versions. Planned obsolescence is now called technological “progress”. Yet we are incapable of something as simple as discovering a new energy source to replace fossil fuels…probably because there doesn’t exist anything that can replace fossil fuels.
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Let your troubles fall to the wayside. All your problems have been solved.
The iPhone 14 is out!
Hope no one confuses me with someone that gives a shit about a people that worship a monarch.
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Most people still believe in the myth of technological progress. Most people still falsely think that there is a technological “fix” to the unsolveable problems that technology created in the first place. In other words, the denial of the collapse of industrial civilization is as strong as ever despite the collapse looming ever closer on the horizon.
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Who owns the water? Whoever wins the water wars.
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The recent increase in the price of food might be a sign of the near term global famine looming on the horizon. Just FYI, per capita food production peaked in the early 1990s (about 30 years ago), and today we are producing less food per capita than back then. I would imagine higher food prices will make food unaffordable to large swaths of the human population, and destabilize governments around the world…not just in the “3rd world” countries (like China and India), but also for “developed” countries (like Canada, USA, Japan and Australia). Higher food prices can easily make food unaffordable for lower-income people in “developed” countries, especially people living paycheck to paycheck. Especially when the cost of rent is going up, as well.
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If my last link wasn’t entertaining enough,here’s a list from which that one can pick their favorite.
https://climateandeconomy.com/2022/09/09/9th-september-2022-todays-round-up-of-climate-news/
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Seems like you and I are the only people still posting in this thread. I wonder why?
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I’ve just redefined confirmation bias.
1. – too much ego.
2. – inability to accept facts
3. – rejection of possible conquences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79bzxxMYMWw
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https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2022/09/death-by-hockey-sticks/#more-2314
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Watching parents watching their special children suffer due to their unlimited growth delusion might be entertaining.
Wonder why they chose to end up where they are headed?
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https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2022/09/13/a-question-of-value/
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It won’t be long before we find out if he’s correct.
1:50 – 2:45
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It is already happening…human habitat is already starting to disappear from Earth, and abrupt climate change is clearly underway. Let’s see what the world is like in 2026 or 2030. During the meanwhile time, the price of food is guranteed to continue increasing…until food starts to literally stop appearing on the supermarket shelves due to the supply chain collapse and/or electric grid black outs.
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Wonder how conservative this report is?
https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/united-science-we-are-heading-wrong-direction
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And yet the clueless masses still think there is never-ending technological “progress” that will fix everything! They are deluded with as much hopium as ever. Nevermind, the fact that technological “progress” is an illusion. All the corporations can do to fool the masses into believing in this illusion is by planned obsolescence. Come up with a “new” iPhone or video game console every year, and with some clever marketing and PR, convince the clueless masses that we are making never-ending technological “progress”. In reality, all this tech “progress” is just clever marketing to disguise the reality of mass-producing goods as cheaply as possible and encouraging relentless consumption. The only “progress” being made is the ability for corporations to come up with new and ingenious ways to swindle as much money as possible from their gullible consumers.
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The Queen! The Queen!
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/british-genocide-tasmania
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I’m glad we focused & continued to follow the delusion that brought us here.
“I have just returned from Pakistan, where I looked through a window into the future,” Guterres said. “A future of permanent and ubiquitous climate chaos on an unimaginable scale: devastating loss of life, enormous human suffering, and massive damage to infrastructure and livelihoods. … What is happening in Pakistan demonstrates the sheer inadequacy of the global response to the climate crisis, and the betrayal and injustice at the heart of it.”
The betrayers are the overpopulators & their co- conspirators are those that didn’t say “Enough!”. NTHE is their punishment?
I’ve been thru all the Universe’s law books & have not found anything that said one is required to take responsibility. That must be where the saying came from: “It’s not my fault!”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/betrayal-and-injustice-un-secretary-general-says-global-climate-change-response-is-falling-short-170409764.html
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The overwhelming majority of people have NO idea how DEPENDENT industrial civilization is of fossil fuels. Once you realize how utterly and completely dependent we are of fossil fuels, it becomes obvious that a sudden and catastrophic collapse of industrial civilization is inevitable. When the global supply chains and electric grids permanently fail when fossil fuel extraction drops to insufficient levels, the collapse of industrial civilization will happen. When it is no longer possible to extract sufficient amounts of fossil fuels out of the ground to power industrial civilization, it is GAME OVER for industrial civilization. Do I understand what I am saying?
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To parapharse Sam Kinison: We have deserts in America but you don’t have to live there,assholes.
“… basin states have ‘no plan’ on how to cut water use.”
40,000,000 entitled special children can’t agree,so they may take their water & go home. The baboon brains could have chosen to keep the population at a steady 40,000. An old codger once said: “Fuck the fools!”
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My cousin: “Let ’em die dumb!”
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There is no combination of natural resources that can sustain a global human population of 8,000,000,000 people. The human population bubble is probably going to collapse before 2040. Possibly before 2030. There is no way we can sustain the global human population for much longer. Yet, (virtually) everyone denies that human overpopulation is even a problem..or that it even exists. Especially those people that continue to reproduce.
I recently saw a couple with six biological children in the supermarket. Their oldest child was no more than 15 years old. The youngest was probably only two years old. And the female human breeder was no more than 40 years old. And she was already pregnant with her 7th child ready to be born within a month or two.
Really, what hope do any of their children have when industrial civilization collapses in the near future, followed shortly by near-term human extinction? Unlike many (most) people, I was smart enough to not breed…because I realized a long time ago the inevitabity of NTHE. And I certainly don’t regret this decision. Because do these breeders really think they are at an advantage over me by passing their genes onto the next generation of humans? Especially with human extinction literally right around the corner? Yep, humans are literally breeding themselves to extinction.
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It is a sad state of affairs.
Stupidity,ignorance & denial are continuing pandemics.
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I drive a car several hundred kilometers every week for the sake of recreation (not for any essential reasons like work). Thereby, contributing to fossil fuel depletion and global warming. I am doing everything within my finanical limits to contribution to human population overshoot. I am fairly sure you are also contributing to the human population overshoot and environmental degradation, just by simply existing. Even if one takes conscious decisions to limit one’s ecological footprint (by minimizing purchases of non-essential items and not reproducing), it is undeniable that any human’s mere existence on this planet is contributing to ecological collapse. I am not trying to devalue human life. I am simply stating the obvious…that humanity’s mere presence on this planet is unsustainable.
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Choices are nice. Water or fossil fuels?
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/18092022/drought-wracked-california-allows-oil-companies-to-use-high-quality-water-but-regulators-error-strewn-records-make-accurate-accounting-nearly-impossible/
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Theoretically speaking, water is more important than fossil fuels. Unfortunately, thanks to human overpopulation, humans cannot survive without fossil fuels. Especially since food production and our entire water supply is dependent on fossil fuels. No fossil fuels => global supply chain collapse=> no electricity . No electricity means no water coming out of the municipal taps. Without fossil fuels, cities will have no means of purifying or distributing water supplies to their citizens. Yet, to continue supplying enough fossil fuels to power industrial civilization requires destroying the water supply that people depend on for survival. This is the ultimate dilenma!
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“It’s human nature to conflate all success as skill and all failure as personal inadequacy.” Therefore anyone that loses money is a failure or stoopid?
https://zensecondlife.blogspot.com/
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One of the main reasons why the collapse of industrial civilization will be abrupt and catastrophic is due to the inevitable collapse of the global supply chains. When the supply chains permanently break down, it is GAME OVER for industrial civilization. And guess what energy source powers the global supply chains? Fossil fuels…more specifically, petroleum/oil. Trucks, trains, airplanes, cargo ships and other giant machines, all powered by oil. There isn’t a single object in industrial civilization that isn’t dependent on global supply chains for its manufacturing and distribution.
A computer, for example, is made out of 40 elements on the periodic table of elements. To extract those metals and fossil fuels (and other raw materials) for manufacturing the components of a computer, requires energy from fossil fuels. To transport those raw materials to be manufactured into the individual components of a computer (i.e. motherboard, hard drive and circuitry) requires yet more energy from fossil fuels. And then, transporting those individual components to other factories to be assembed into a computer, requires yet more energy from fossil fuels. And then transporting those finished computers to a warehouse for distribution, requires yet more energy from fossil fuels. And to transport those computers from a warehouse to a retailer, requires yet more energy from fossil fuels.
And yet, we think industrial civilization is “sustainable” and can exist without globalization and fossil fuels lol. What a joke.
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The punch line for the joke is …. Overpopulating Clever Apes.
A global population of a few million would probably not worry about a shortage of a few resources. I can’t wait to see global warming make food scarce, I’m really tired of seeing fat,obese & morbidly obese eaters everywhere I look. They will look funny when they lose so much weight that their cloths hang on them like a rag. Collapse will close stores so they can’t buy new clothes? 😉
Putin talks nuclear. Let’s have a giant bar-b-que of Clever Apes.
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Yet, most people are still under the false assumption that the Earth’s natural resources are infinite. I can’t imagine what the next five to ten years will be like as the global supply chains literally start breaking down. And goods in supermarkets and stores literally start to “disappear”. I assume that hi-tech devices– like cars, computers and smartphones– will be the first items to disappear. I wonder what people’s reactions will be like as retailers (like BestBuys and Walmarts) “run out” of the latest e-gadgets?
I wouldn’t be surprised that the recent increases in the price of food is a sign of the beginning of global famine. Because food production might already be incapable of meeting food demand…hence the price goes up. It likely that global food production is already in decline due to peak oil, abrupt climate change, fresh water scarcity, top soil erosion and other biophysical constraints.
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Empty store shelves & empty wallets might become the new normal.
I’m wondering if idiots think buying overpriced,price gouged stuff to maintain some businesses bottom line,on credit,is worth more than deciding to skip the crap,keeping money in their pockets & having the ability to purchase anything of necessity that adds value to their lives with cash without credit interest added to the purchase.
“Use It Up, Wear It Out, Make It Do or Do Without”
How can one impress others & themselves if they don’t own the latest sucker delusions?
I’ve got $4.00 to spend because I have followed this advice.
http://www.providentplan.com/601/use-it-up-wear-it-out-make-it-do-or-do-without/
Frugality is not a virtue if one can’t carry all their money. 😉
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Apparently, they (the corporations) are still advertising useless junk–like the latest video game console or smartphone–on the streets of Toronto (and other cities) via electronic billboards. So there is still demand for this crap. But it would be incredibly stupid to waste one’s precious money on something that isn’t a necessity. Especially when someone is already in finanical debt or otherwise lacking in money. Yet many/most people are doing exactly that. For example, I was recently talking with someone on Facebook who just spent several hundred dollars on a ps5–the lastest video game console–despite working at a minimum wage job, barely being able to afford rent/food and etc. He has barely any money, yet blew several hundred dollars on something that is completely unnecessary. How is this rational?
I have an answer to why people are spending so much money on unnecessary junk: social media advertising. Social media sites–like Youtube and Facebook–promote endless consumerism. Not only are there advertisements on Youtube videos, but the majority of the videos on Youtube are advertisements. The majority of content on social media is just advertisements for promoting mass consumerism.
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The Clever Ape species can’t get along with it’s self.
This is too much bliss for monkey minds?
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I suspect that– when the collapse of industrial civilization does actually happen– aka when the global human overpopulation bubble does inevitably does burst in the foreseeable future, global human population will be reduced extremely quickly by starvation, war and disease. I suspect it is possible that 5 to 6 billion people perish within just 2 to 3 years of the CoIC. And the remaining two to three billion people will be gone within 5 to 10 years of SHTF. I don’t think the “decline” of global human population will be steady or slow. It will most likely be a catastrophic and abrupt die-off of global human population. The question is, if you happen to be alive when NTHE becomes undeniable, will you be willingly to take your own life to avoid needless suffering? When SHTF does happen, you basically have zero chance of surviving. So will you die slowly from starvation, disease and/or violent social strife…or would you just commit suicide to relieve yourself of a painful death when NTHE happens? That is the ultimate question we should be considering.
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I feel that everything you said is more possible than many imagine.
For me, I’m living forever just to piss people off. 😉
The overpopulating lower life forms that I call the Clever Ape will get exactly what it deserves.
It only deserves to be called “it”.
Money worshipers will worship money until it’s too late to worship what is the ultimate wealth,their habitat. The fool will willingly be the fool.
https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2022/06/30/greenhouse-emissions-rise-to-record-erasing-drop-during-pandemic
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The following article sheds light on the primary reason behind the extreme growth in human population during the past couple of hundred years.
Government policies that outlawed birth control/abortion and promoting maximium human reproduction during the industrial age might be the reason behind the unprescdented growth in human population during the past several hundreds of years. Discouraging/outlawing birth control and abortion and encouraging maximum reproduction might be why human population growth is skyrocketing. Maybe it is our socio-economic system that is encouraging and causing overpopulation rather than humans instinctively lacking in the ability to control their own population?
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Clicked & scrolled the CIC link & will read it in full later.
Governments aren’t necessary to control population. It’s the responsibility of the self centered,egotistical,narcissistic Baboon Brains to protect their habitat from overpopulation. Trying to get this message thru the Monkey Minds skull is this fools errand.
“Your children aren’t special.” The only consolation is watching their children suffer & die from their parents stupidity. There shall be crying & gnashing of teeth.
Clever Apes, Baboon Brains, Monkey Minds are all proper names. 😉
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“Australia’s top climate scientist says “we are already deep into the trajectory towards collapse” of civilisation, which may now be inevitable because 9 of the 15 known global climate tipping points that regulate the state of the planet have been activated.”
But politics,economy & religion are more important.
On the doomsday clock we are 100 seconds to midnight. Putin is a wussy if he doesn’t go nuclear. Real men “Ain’t Skeered!”
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-06-08/collapse-of-civilisation-is-the-most-likely-outcome-top-climate-scientists/
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Abrupt climate change theoretically wouldn’t be as bad as it is (and will be) if the world wasn’t so overpopulated by humans. The fact that there are now 8,000,000,000 people on this planet (global population growing by over 200,000 humans every 24 hours, too) will make mitigating (let alone surviving) abrupt climate change and the collapse of industrial civilization very, very unlikely. For even a small number of humans. Homo Sapiens is very much doomed at this point. I think humanity’s extinction in the near term is pretty much inevitable. Not just because of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), but because of a plethora of other reasons. Like overpopulation, the depletion of nonrenewable resources, biodiversity loss, pollution, top soil erosion, fresh water scarcity, AGW, resource wars and newly emerging virsuses. It is only a matter of time before the global supply chains and the electrical grids permanently fail aka SHTF. And when SHTF does actually happen, NTHE would soon follow. Of course, when SHTF does happen, we wouldn’t be talking about it on the Internet because when industrial civilization does collapse, that means no more electricity. No electricity meaning no more Internet.
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Anthropogenic global warming is like a snowball rolling down hill. Get on the bus my special children.
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“I’m frightened. Of us.”
-William Golding, ‘Lord Of The Flies’.
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Here is nice quote for you by George Carlin: “everybody knows by now, all businessmen are completely full of shit. Just the worse kind of low-life, criminal cocksucker you could ever run into, a fucking piece of shit businessman. And the proof is, they don’t even trust each other. When a business man negotiates a deal, he automatically assumes the other guy is trying to fuck him out of his money as fast as possible. So he must fuck the other guy out of their money, a little bit harder and faster. And when it comes to the customers, the customers bends over and get their asses fucked by the businessman. When someone said, “the buyers beware” he must have been bleeding out of his ass. “”
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