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When past predictions of future catastrophic events like ice sheet melt, spreading tropical diseases, and forest fragmentation start to become reality while no substantial means to prevent them from happening has ever been implemented, you begin to question the phrase so often bandied about that “it’s never too late.” It was never too late decades ago and we’re still holding out on that hope. Despite any techno-utopian fantasies you hear in the news, economic activity and growth are still linked to CO2 emissions. Until this fundamental truth is dealt with, we’ll all be spinning our wheels and wringing our hands over our continued descent into ecological and societal collapse. Perhaps this is part of the reason I have not blogged recently. As Leonard Nimoy expressed in his last twitter message, I think I’ll try to enjoy the here and now while I’m alive…
The following is a guest post by commenter BP:
The majority of people visiting collapse and post-peak sites are Caucasian, disillusioned, with a slimmer majority subset being male; in other words, representatives though not participating members of the failing power elite. If these collapsitarians did wield real power, they wouldn’t be deeply dissatisfied with the present social arrangement and secretly hoping for an honest to goodness smokin’ homecookin’ cracklin’ good ole’ fashioned apocalypse to happen in their lifetime. You know, just to spice things up a little bit and provide some entertainment because industrial living can be such a boooooring, regimented drag, man. Tick tock. Time to get up, time to eat, go to work, come home, go to sleep, wake up, rinse and repeat. Even regularity in our shitting is considered desirable in this totalizing system. Watches are slave driving devices – a shackle – your very own drill sergeant and task master all rolled into one convenient portable sleek wrapped modern design. Little wonder you have so many suit and tie clean-cut preppie American Psycho types with their rictus eternally sun shining grins (everything’s alright, everything’s fine, everything’s okay) resorting to extremes: bungee jumping, sky diving, narcotics and gambling, binge eating, binge shopping, binge TV watching, auto-erotic asphyxiation, any and all manner of titillation and stimulation just to get a rise. We’ve been dulled and sanitized, tamed and neutralized. The demographic comprising most of the power elite also happens to be the one most likely to become serial killers preying on their own species. If you live in a foreign land you might argue there’s no difference between Ted Bundy and the president. Either way, it’s another fun-filled pet project to while away the hours with. But I don’t want to give anyone any ideas, and I won’t be held accountable for what you do when you turn off your addictive electronic stimulus delivery systems aka computers tonight, even though we excel at passing responsibility onto something else. The lengths people will go… And these are the lucky ones who still have jobs. YAY!! I don’t even want to imagine life on the other side – we’ll all get there soon enough. Why spoil the surprise?
So raise your hands if you’re waiting for a giant or gradual (does it really matter?) clusterfuck that results in a significant reduction in our species’ numbers, because whatever you think is likely, it’s a necessary precursor to what ever comes next. The table has already been set and our carcass is the main dish.
Now that you’ve had your fill, how about some desert? I have a thought experiment that shouldn’t take too much time. Suppose you’ve decided to kill yourself. You’ve set a date, (a week from tomorrow), a time (midnight), thoroughly planned the method (hanging), bought the needed supplies (rope – duh!), and are dead set on following through. How, if any, would your life change in the time remaining? I’ll indulge in some fantasy since there doesn’t seem to be enough of that going around and Star Wars isn’t out until December. For starters, you could max out your credit and buy that car you’ve always fancied – you know, the one that runs on limited gasoline? You could also screw a few whores and not worry about contracting a venereal disease or what you’d have to say to your wife. Gorge on that chocolate cake and go for seconds topped with ice cream this time, downed with cola and chased with both pizza and hamburgers for desert. Why not? Fuck blood pressure, you’re going to die anyway. Then after your attention deficit disorder kicks in, you could switch to watching porn, wasting time playing Modern Warfare while eating Doritos and not feel one ounce of guilt that you could be doing something more with your life. Consume shit you don’t need to your heart’s content without any second thoughts! After all, ecologically speaking, we’re consumers! Let’s take a moment to give Capitalism some credit. It found a way to manipulate our basic human nature for its own ends and boy has it ever worked. Nothing has mobilized humanity – not pharaohs, despots, kings nor gods – like the wage economy. The best part about the whole affair is you can live without consequences because, in case you forgot, you’ll be dead in a week. Sound familiar? It’s a rarity these days when ideas and reality coincide. Yep, you guessed it. That’s exactly what our species has been doing – living large like there’s no tomorrow – and it’s hastening our eventual collective suicide.
And is that such a bad thing? There’s way too much despair, self-pitying, and despondent anger on these websites. Outside of our narrow anthropocentric perspective, the human race’s demise might even be cause for celebration. If that’s too much, at least it needn’t be mournful. After all, our history on this planet has proven that, if nothing else, we’re two legged, genocide-wreaking, blood-thirsty assassins. The only species that kills for fun, whether it be bipeds, quadrupeds or any other number of peds, we’ve obliterated them all. I’m confused by all this concern about surviving in a post industrial world. Are our souls (if we even have them) really worth saving? Even if a band of hardy survivors manages to achieve some semblance of harmony with their environment, sooner or later some marauding horde is going to come along, fuck things up, steal their shit, and rape their women. Hey, we’ve had a good ride. Nothing lasts forever. Time for something else to take a turn so we can join the dinosaurs. We aren’t going to change or magically turn into peaceful, loving breathren. That’s simply more wishful thinking, a romanticization of a few mythological hunter and gatherer tribes of the past projected onto the future. The reality is we rape, love, murder, bully, give and take, enslave, create music, art, math, and take pleasure in sadism (see UFC, boxing, WWE, Clausewitzian Warfare aka NFL, the latest scandal, the natural disaster channel aka The Weather Network/CNN and your generic horror movie and cop drama), all of which is hard-wired into our DNA. The human race is folly and cleverness stuffed into a complex paradoxical package. There’s no shame in that. I don’t see the point in worrying over what’s out of our control and what can’t be changed. It’s better to laugh than cry and maybe that’s all we can do. Time to stop demonizing the species.
And isn’t it also time we accept ourselves as natural? Our criticism of all the havoc we’re wreaking on the planet implies we’re outside, removed from nature; ironic since this divide is also acknowledged as part of the problem. Nature – ‘The Environment’ – is something we act upon – not a part of. Bullshit. We’re terrestial, carbon-based omnivores. There’s not an ounce of artificiality about us. That includes the products of our actions like the much-maligned villainous scoundrel PLASTIC. Dah, dah, dah, daaahhh. So what if humans synthesized 22 out of 117 periodic elements? That manipulation, as the word implies, came at our own hands with existing elements crashing together in high-speed accelerators. A polar bear – that sacred symbol for the ineffectual environmental movement – and its particular combination of constituent elements didn’t occur naturally on Earth for most of the planet’s history either. It will soon return to that condition in short order. And what of the indignant protest that plastic doesn’t degrade? Be patient. If our species lasts long enough, which I doubt, it might get to witness that little miracle. After all, a lot can happen in the next few billion years. Making the case that plastic is natural is not to say it isn’t disruptive. Any new arrival on the scene disrupts the existing order. Some things more than others. But it still derives from the Earth, doesn’t it? And so do we. And eventually, that’s where we’ll end up – 6 feet under. Maybe it’s better if that happens sooner rather than later. But it’s going to happen one way or the other regardless the constant declarations of ‘we have to do this…,’ or ‘if we don’t do that…,’ I hear on forums, in the news, at home. We’re good at giving ultimatums that we’ll never see through. Every day there’s a new resolution and self-imposed limitation proclaimed with the most dire urgency. The truth is we don’t have to do anything. The Earth will correct a wayward entity and return to balance. The catch is the new stasis doesn’t have to include us. Even if we could do something, it’s too little, too late. So do yourself a favor, enjoy your life and stop worrying so much. Maybe even laugh once and awhile. If you want to plant a tree – do it. If you don’t – knock yourself out. There are no imperatives. We’ve been unduly harsh on ourselves. Trying to be judge, jury, and executioner is just too damn exhausting. Well, my watch tells me it’s time to go to bed. Just another day in the life of the species… Tick Tock, Tick Tock.
It’s evident: Industrial civilisation is a terrible pathology of the Earth.
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Nihilistic but entertaining
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There is something to the idea of moving past the nihilism of our modern world and living in the moment.
What other practical response is there to the crushing realization that we, both individually and collectively as a species, have no future?
I’m not usually a big fan of the simplistic pop-psychology that most so-called “metaphysical” thought passes for these days in the western world, but I find it interesting that many people are taking comfort in the “power of now” message of writers such as Eckhart Tolle.
He, like others before him, faced an existential crises in the form of deep depression, usually a symptom of a psyche that is faced with a conflict that appears to it to be beyond its control and will result in its eventual destruction.
For some people the only way out of this dilemma is suicide. For others it is a descent into schizophrenia which in a way absolves the ego of any responsibility for resolving the conflict. For a lucky few, such as I believe the case is with Tolle, the personality resolves the conflict with a moment of transcendence, a powerful sense of being a part of something much larger than the self. This moment of intense clarity serves to give the ego a new sense of purpose, a new outlook on life so to speak, and renders the previous dilemma powerless.
Anyway, the message of being “in the moment” is not a new one, the great spiritual teachers have all said basically the same thing for thousands of years, and it is a message that continues to resonate today.
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There’s some merit to living in the now. I don’t think that gives people a licence to be ignorant, however.
I wrote this in a comment in the last blog that directly relates:
The legally myopic in America can only live in the NOW. Zen Masturbation becomes default, free of history or context. Nature abhors a vacuum, but Capitalism thrives in it. No wonder they are diametrically opposed. A kind of pervasive dementia has set in. Who says it only afflicts the elderly? I met a man who gestured around him at all the vibrant verdure and asked, “What problem?” If you haven’t yet moved your trailer home near the vicinity of the tar sands or a mining pit, you might be inclined to agree with him. If a bear shits in the woods and you aren’t there to see it …
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25 days ago! You did not forget that one eh? Did you get around to the part about how there won’t be anyone alive to produce the energy for the hard drive and transfer “him” over to a new one every few years? Maybe he thinks the cloud is an actual cloud.
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Maybe he believes in interstellar colonization.
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What is your definition of real power and why do you assume those who wield it are satisfied with their lives?
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Hey, it’s not my research…
“…The results indicated that people who feel powerful in any context tend to be more content.
The most powerful people surveyed felt 16% more satisfied with their lives than the least powerful people. This effect was most pronounced in the workplace: Powerful employees were 26% more satisfied with their jobs than their powerless colleagues. The power-based discrepancy in happiness was smaller for friendships and romantic relationships. The researchers posit that this may be because friendships are associated with a sense of community rather than hierarchy, and therefore having power in this kind of relationship is less important…”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130128143016.htm
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I thought BP wrote that part.
I see that “the researchers surveyed over 350 participants” not exactly the biggest sampling I have seen.
And the title “Power helps you live the good life by bringing you closer to your true self” sounds like a libertarian slogan. And the picture looks like typical Madison Ave Tits and Ass bullshit.
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I knew a coworker who was easy to get along with and fun to be around, but once she became manager it was like she became another person, completely domineering and micromanaging. She seemed to relish in being able to control those beneath her. I’ve seen that transformation too many times not to believe that power corrupts.
Have yet to see a benevolent dictator.
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Direct evidence for a positive feedback in climate change
A new study has confirmed the existence of a positive feedback operating in climate change whereby warming itself may amplify a rise in greenhouse gases resulting in additional warming.
http://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/featurednews/title_444193_en.html
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Sheldon Wolin entitled his opus ‘Power and Vision.’ I consider power the realization of your wants even at the expense of others. This usually entails enlisting others to work on your behalf under the (mis)perception of reciprocity. This perception is an essential falsehood (Plato’s ‘Noble’ Lie – it’s only noble because a Noble is telling it – fuck Plato) used to mask unequal exchange in order for there to be an accumulation of wealth in the centers of power. It is real because it can be sustained for an indeterminate length of time, much to the belated chagrin of any upstart military general who is soon overthrown in a reprisal coup d’etat. The lacking element here is legitimacy, for which any nouveau power player begins to take initiatives to substantiate his claims via new anthems, ceremonial rites, monuments and others displays of virility, acts of largesse, and carefully orchestrated associations with divinities and alliances with other secular elements. The perceived right to shit on others, if need be, is a necessary prerequisite to holding power. If all goes well, the people accept the new hierarchy as just and natural. However, these players don’t survive long if they don’t feed the image, howsoever illusory, that they are beneficent. Accordingly, They will feed just enough of a bone to the masses to avoid revolt. Force is used to consolidate fledgling power; thereafter it is used as a last resort when legitimacy fails. In the interim, the exclusive right to exercise force is one element of legitimacy, although it is rarely a true monopoly. De facto rather than de jure is what I’m really talking about, although any player will seek to codify power. When a society is collapsing, de facto elements rise amidst an increasingly inefficient and impotent de jure.
We saw how the 60s movement atrophied as the baby boomers assumed positions of influence; complacency ensued. I’m painting in broad strokes here, and of course there are exceptions (both Warren Buffet and Gates have shown occasional misgivings). They are deluded in thinking their positions are safe, but they will only experience disillusionment the moment before they blackout swinging from a noose suspended below a lamp post. I think if you were to ask most people in positions of power how they were doing, and they were honest, they’d say, “Better than you.” And they’d like to keep it that way. .
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There have been studies in Britain of the types of general stress-related maladies that shorten the lives of the non-powerful. Mammals under stress burn themselves out.
http://www.csp.org.uk/news/2013/10/12/inequality-causes-chronic-stress-health-problems-says-professor
Cognitive capacity declines with poverty:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/29/us-poverty-brain-idUSBRE97S10W20130829
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Sorry for having blocked your comments. Say what you want.
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I’m reminded of the “double-bind,” a concept first floated by Gregory Bateson in Steps to an Ecology of Mind, which has been described as the most stressful arrangement any hapless primate can find himself in. The damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t scenario – familiar to anyone who has ever held a low-level professional job – usually arises because of a disjunction between responsibility and authority: your job depends on you using your judgment, but you must constantly sweat the consequence of doing so because your occupational status allows you only limited latitude yet failure to intervene in even trifling matters can cost you dearly.
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Thanks, Mike. Some black humor – I doubted whether you’d post it for fear it was too dark.
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It’s real, from the heart, true. I’m tired of pretending and hoping.
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“I’m tired of pretending and hoping.”
Your writing over the last couple years never gave me the impression that you are an apoclo-optimist, Mike. Seems that you were delusional only in your heart? 🙂 Acceptance is the only way to go.
Your guest authors have been very good – both prayingforcallamity, and BP massage my conformational bias quite nicely. Still, I enjoy your posts better.
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I left this comment at Ugo Bardi’s blog, but in the simplest terms it states why we are in this conundrum:
The key point in history which set up a feedback loop for rampant overpopulation was the invention of the Haber-Bosch process. Peak people = Peak CO2.
Dennis Meadows: “Forget the details. The basic formula for CO2 pollution consists of four elements. First, the number of people on Earth. Multiplied by the capital per person, so how many cars, houses and cows per man, to come to Earth’s standard of living. This in turn multiplied by a factor of energy use per unit of capital, ie, how much energy it takes to produce cars, build houses and to supply or to feed cows. And finally multiply that by the amount of energy derived from fossil sources.”
http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/04/dennis-meadows-there-is-nothing-that-we-can-do/
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Can you elaborate further on “pretending and hoping?” Did/do you think that the situation can/could be reversed and that we (humans) would/will do what was needed to be done years ago and didn’t?
Personally despite making attempts to reverse the situation, at my core I was closeted (kept these views to myself), and didn’t believe we were headed towards anywhere other than for a huge mass grave. This was purely based upon years of observing behaviors of people all around me, mostly the fact that the skills of listening and hearing was sadly lacking almost across the board of all humans.
Accepting reality seems to be a process that puts all of us on such different locations on the spectrum. This alone makes it almost impossible for there ever to be any action taken. By the time one realizes that all the time and energy they put into whatever their current “solution” has been wasted, they are exhausted physically and emotionally. It’s a constant movement that without a support system to help you recover and move on, it is almost impossible to actually make it through to acceptance of the current situation.
I long ago grew tired of hearing the phrases “there is still time”, “the window is closing” or “we have to act soon” over the years. They are vague and never make it clear what kind of time line we are dealing with. I’ve been hearing these phrases for most of my life and it seems as if there is still time (tell that to the sea lion pups starving to death, they look like emaciated dogs or holocaust survivors with their bones protruding from their skin).
It finally dawned on me that there was a disconnect between myself and these others. I was in a completely different place with a baseline that was far away and continues to recede from those who “believe” that there is still time.
Ugo Bardi. An expert with quite a bit of books and knowledge under his belt focusing on the science of our situation; yet still seems to delude himself that we can actually get out of the current situation and “grow” into a healthy species.
Each time Bardi raises the points of alternate energy, as last weeks previous guest essay at NBL did and so many others too numerous to mention continue to do, I want to grab a hold of them and shove a copy of Ozzie Zehner’s book right down their throat hoping they choke on it.
A recent experience when McPherson was in NYC at an event hosted by the local Deep Green Resistance “chapter” come to mind along these lines. I thought the young man, the DGR “leader” came across as a spineless coward. His career places him solidly in the throws of BAU, he’s in the medical or health care industry.
He encouraged people in the audience that bringing down IC was of utmost importance, but he was not going to participate in any of these actions directly. This wasn’t the first time I’ve heard such ideas from DGR. Why encourage others to do what you haven’t the courage to do yourself. It’s almost as bad as reading what Pray for Clamity writes and then finding out he didn’t have a vasectomy or his mate didn’t get her tubes tied and that they made a home for a child already alive who was an orphan.
Can someone explain to me why I’d go out and bring down a dam while Jensen and others who encourage this behavior and are nowhere in sight in the aftermath of what such behavior will cause?
The vast majority of the audience at the DGR/McPherson event were in the throws of the bargaining phase. How many audience members threw out “solutions” to the situation that merely demonstrated their own thought process. I lost count of how many times solar and wind came up. It was unfortunate that the DGR kid, I just can’t see him as an adult, opened doors with the attendees which resulted in responses that I felt he had neither the skill nor ability to maneuver around.
A particular issue I had with him was that during his presentation he kept attributing the book DGR to Jensen. This added to my disdain to this “informed” individual. It was as if Aric had been whited out of existence when Jensen himself is on record stating that the book was mostly the work of McBay who Jensen refers to as a great strategist and leader.
Every mention of Jensen seemed to be holding him in such great esteem with no mention of the disgraceful and reprehensible behaviors both he and Lierre Keith displayed towards transgender people. Sorry Derrick, Silence = Death to me. It was this attitude that led to McBay’s severing of ties with DGR. So, the local DGR leader can go on and on about a better world, but by behaving in the same fashion as the current BAU does I see no reason to see this utopian world view as being anyplace I’d want to be part of any more than the current version.
Aric McBay speaks of the need for support and trust when forming these resistance “groups” and this young man seemed to be rah, rahing others to do the deeds he hadn’t the spine for. It’s like witnessing a Derrick Jensen clone.
And yet speaking of suicide is a no no in these circles. Wish these people would make themselves more aware of Exit International and why the decision to bring one’s life to a close is a personal decision when a person’s quality of life is not satisfactory to them.
Perhaps the biggest insult from the young dude was when he took the time to come over to me and deign me with his presence. He wanted to know if I was coming to the 6 hour workshop Guy and Pauline were doing the next day. I told him no, and instead of asking me why he merely responded by saying to me, “that you probably are working on your own projects.”
Had he remained still for a few minutes we could have had a conversation, but he was off to the next person before I could respond to his statement. I would have told him “no I don’t do anything anymore” and that all the attempts and projects I initiated (in NYC and surrounding area and this was vastly more than the vast majority of people I’ve run into) resulted in abject failure). I was a stranger to him and all the years of my doing things (not just sitting at a computer typing opinions and thoughts, but trying to create communities, ecovillages, learning to farm, organizing events, workshops, etc., etc.) meant nothing and he treated me as nothing more than a stranger, which is what I was to him and to most others. It’s the “What have you done for me lately” syndrome so prevalent in BAU.
What can one expect in a “speed” meeting? I was of as little interest to him as to most queer men who were looking for their “ideals”. It never dawned on this guy that some people in a room don’t have to be at the front of the room to be interesting or multi-dimensional. It’s as if you need to present a person with a CV to let them know your history and skill set. These days I just tell people to watch the movie “Escape From Suburbia” if they want to know a rather diluted presentation of my journey. For the record I’ve yet to meet anyone who has seen the film after I’ve suggested it.
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Will answer this tonight when I can sit down and compose a proper response. Thanks for honesty.
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PMB says: “Can you elaborate further on “pretending and hoping?” Did/do you think that the situation can/could be reversed and that we (humans) would/will do what was needed to be done years ago and didn’t?”
I feel I’ve listened to enough experts, read enough scientific reports, lurked around enough internet forums, and observed my fellow man enough to say that there is no point in trying to keep up with the latest news bite for any sign of real change in the status quo. I see that the IPCC is consistently overly conservative and in fact incorporates into its global warming projections the assumption that we will invent technologies to pull CO2 from the atmosphere in order to avoid the worst-case scenarios. The IPCC also does not event count the CO2 emissions from the single largest polluter on the planet -the U.S. Military. No government has a coherent plan and in fact repeatedly works to undermine any such plan that is intended to deal with the collapsing biosphere. For instance, CO2 emissions from First World countries were simply off-shored to developing countries. Pete Dolack of Systemic Disorder blog told me these new trade agreements like the TPP would “speed up global warming and other environmental destruction.” Anything that interferes with more and more growth is eliminated or disregarded because economic growth is what generates profit and tax revenue to keep the whole Ponzi scheme going. From one of Pete Dolack’s recent essays:
…The earliest countries that adopted capitalism could “export” their “excess” population though mass emigration. From 1820 to 1915, Professors Foster and McChesney write, more than 50 million people left Europe for the “new world.” But there are no longer such places for developing countries to send the people for whom capitalism at home can not supply employment. Not even a seven percent growth rate for 50 years across the entire global South could absorb more than a third of the peasantry leaving the countryside for cities, they write. Such a sustained growth rate is extremely unlikely.
As with the growing environmental crisis, these mounting economic problems are functions of the need for ceaseless growth. Once again, infinite growth is not possible on a finite planet, especially one that is approaching its limits. Worse, to keep the system functioning at all, the planned obsolescence of consumer products necessary to continually stimulate household spending accelerates the exploitation of natural resources at unsustainable rates and all this unnecessary consumption produces pollution increasingly stressing the environment.
Humanity is currently consuming the equivalent of one and a half earths, according to the non-profit group Global Footprint Network. A separate report by WWF–World Wide Fund For Nature in collaboration with the Zoological Society of London and Global Footprint Network, calculates that the Middle East/Central Asia, Asia-Pacific, North America and European Union regions are each consuming about double their regional biocapacity… – Link
Nearly all the population is ecologically illiterate, and this includes well-educated doctors, technical and engineering experts, public officials, teachers, etc. The environment is invisible to most of these people because they are blinded by bias and ignorance, inundated by mass media feel-good consumerist propaganda, or simply too tired from the drudgery of their work to give a fuck. I can no longer pretend that the human species has anything but an increasingly dysfunctional, dangerous, and dark future. Look at how the Middle East is unraveling right now. That area can’t be cleaned up or made even halfway normal again because they are suffering systemic collapse from climate change, overpopulation, resource wars, and overreach of American empire.
No, the situation cannot be reversed any time soon because the global economy is already committed to many more decades of fossil fuel burnings as so many have already pointed out. For Example:
“Greenhouse gas emissions are expected to continue to rise—nobody thinks we have reached maximum emissions and things will soon be turning around,” Ken Caldeira, a climate scientist with the Carnegie Institution for Science in Stanford, Calif., said…
…“Substantial reductions in emissions are possible for both the U.S. and the rest of the world, but it will take herculean efforts and transforming the global energy system into one that does not use the sky as a waste dump,” Caldeira said. “Tiny, but positive policy moves, like increasing automobile efficiency, certainly help, but if we are to get serious about avoiding the risk of dangerous climate change, we need to up our game by somewhere between a factor of 10 and 100 over what we are doing now.” – Link
and…
…Since 2000, global carbon intensity has dropped by about 1% per year. But if we want to avoid more than 2°C of global warming, global carbon intensity has to drop by about 6% per year… – Link
And of course the oft-repeated 2°C global warming limit is, as we know, an arbitrary number concocted by politicians and business leaders for their convenience and not based on any sort of evidence that such a limit would actually protect us from ruin. Indeed, the 0.85°C that we have already experienced has set into motion catastrophic ice sheet melt at the poles and disrupted the earth’s hydrologic cycle, Jet Streams, and weather patterns. Sea level rise is accelerating exponentially and could reach 7 meters by 2070, according to Paul Beckwith’s calculations which he still holds firm to. Florida, one of the most vulnerable states to SLR, forbids its government officials to even utter the words climate change or sea level rise and then forces them to undergo a psychiatric evaluation if they do. These sort of antics that we keep reading about in the news certainly don’t inspire confidence that this species has a long and prosperous future before it. Hell, even supposedly “biodegradable plastic” really is not biodegradable. Humans have created a bubble civilization which has completely detached its inhabitants from reality and the fact that their economy is entirely a subsidiary of the natural world, not vise versa. Rather than accepting this, what are we doing? Building sea walls and desalination plants, establishing new shipping routes and exploiting resources in the thawing Arctic, and studying ways to geoengineer the weather. This is how this civilization defines progress and anyone who gets in the way is a terrorist of some sort. Many things could have been done decades ago and they never were. Each day that goes by is simply another nail in our already sealed coffin.
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I think things will unfold much diferently than any of us can imagine. The pyramid scheme cannot run without increasing amounts of cheap energy. Unfortunately, energy supply is decreasing and costs are increasing (in general). The high energy costs have already curbed demand. I see this trend continuing as economies shrink and survival becomes more and more of a local endevour as opposed to something we purchase at a store. The days of corporate and military hedgemoney are coming to a close.
Of course, wether the biospheric damage already done will prove to be terminal for human life remains to be seen. I am not optimistic due to the nuclear facilities that will need to be powered down in a time when the prohibitive costs may make those projects unnaffordable leading to deadly radiation exposure.
The beast is starving, and so too will most of its progeny, as it no longer excretes their manufactured survival.
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Very excellent post, Jensen is so scatter brained, he can barely form a complete sentence, let alone a complete thought. 8 year old kids spend 8 hours per day looking at video screens, so that by the time they are 18, they are mentally ill, explaining why teen self harm emergency room admittances rose 70% in the last 10 years. Self directed, narcissistic, obsessive compulsion fantasies are where we mistake talking the walk for walking the talk. How did this denialist fantasy extremis enhanced world come about?
My guess is that when our brains developed enough to the point where we could actively contemplate our own mortality, we needed a mental defence mechanism that would allow us to focus on day-to-day survival tasks unhindered by morose thoughts.
Thus, we invented the life-after-death fantasy to facilitate denial of mortality. This is why religion is a world-wide phenomena. We are high-functioning crazy. This is why renewable energy boosters deny reality. This innate “deniability” is what kept us strong in the harsh daylight of reality, it will also be our downfall. How else do you think that Naomi Klein can justify her childbirth, or how some gays deny their own sexuality for nearly all their lives. I think you are very close to something important. Do not rage at the hypocrisy, this deniability is only very human and natural for our species.
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I had an existential crisis reading DGR. I found the arguments compelling. Angst ridden, I called two close friends from my university days to give voice to the recurring thought – WHAT DO I DO? I wasn’t willing to sacrifice my life like Keith or McBay argued was necessary for new ‘recruits’; on the other hand, the argument they kept bludgeoning home that the sooner this system comes down through the strategic targeting of vital bottlenecks, the more of the earth that will be viable for future generations really tore at me. I could see the logic. At the end of the day, my unwillingness to die to save future generations won out. That made me feel like a selfish asshole. It was my wife who pointed out the same objection that PMB voices – they weren’t willing to do what they were asking others to do themselves. I remember an interview with Jensen where he said that wasn’t his ‘role.’ All his admirers were later in an uproar when he sought succour from the Feds over death threats after years of haranguing authority. Their indignation was proportional to their blindness. They felt betrayed. My wife also pointed out something else – he was in the business of selling books.
That’s what all these post peak luminaries are doing – if they’re pushing a book, then they’re in the business of peddling hope because hope sells. They’re closet capitalists. Given what they preach, they’re hypocrites. Perhaps some have genuine intentions to help others, but they are mostly helping themselves. The only prominent figure who had a momentary break of honesty was Orlov when he said he was in the business of collapse porn and that there was very little you could do to prepare for collapse. Incidentally, this was after his last book; at the time of these statements, he had no intention of publishing anymore on the subject. I do not know if he’s changed his mind.
So, I reached an uneasy self-reconciliation – I would do what I could for my family and prepare them the best I could. My father has two 1/2 acres – I returned to live with him, enrolled in a one- year carpentry course, bought a resource library of books, started permaculture, planted over a 100 trees and shrubs, spent over 10000$ of my savings building a compost bin, root cellar, glass greenhouse, composting toilet, and purchasing various prep items like water filtration systems, food, herb press etc. I never got around to installing a manual pump for the well because I ended up alienating my family.
I returned to my wife’s native country and now spend a lot of time helping her parents – who are aging farmers – practice conventional monoculture and industrial agriculture. Even with machines, farming is a lot of hard work. We just planted corn this spring. They use a plastic sheet mulch to cover the rows. There’s a highway nearby that’s a constant mechanical stream of consumers and noise pollution. Plastic and a lot of other consumer refuse lies in ditches and on the edges of the fields themselves. We have a plastic covered greenhouse. I’d scowl at that plastic. But it’s not like plastic is going anywhere, huh? I’d rail against the world and bust my wife’s eardrum with the diatribes.
At first, I wanted to get my hands on everything that critiqued society so that I could understand it. I read extensively. Then I grew impatient when things grew repetitive. I needed practical responses and finally found them. Eventually, I saw holes in these as well.
That’s another thing these authors do – they make you loathe yourself, wrack you with guilt and dissatisfaction so that nothing – not even the most innocuous and arbirtrary thing – isn’t a reminder of what’s wrong with the world. I was primed to see things through a lens of black. Rather than a solace, nature became was an object of misery and loss and I became a contemptible, miserable human being. It almost ended my marriage.
My wife’s parents still retain a lot of the traditional ways of the past that peak advocates are constantly beseeching people to learn but never seem to get around to doing themselves because – I don’t know – maybe they’re too fucking busy writing books and nurturing their audience and future sales. Her parents pickle, make all kinds of sauces and medicines, forage, eat food most people in the West haven’t heard of, and are capable of some creative craftsmanship. While they have practical skills, their parents were master craftsman. So they have been diminished. As we all know by now, this totalizing system is an acid that dissolves traditional ties, community and culture so that people are forced to work for a wage. However, the newer generation has been thoroughly incorporated into the capitalist framework. Industrialization came quick here without reflection or pause. It makes a mockery of ‘leadership.’
This year, I was able to plant an orchard using permacultural design – lots of nitrogen fixing shrubs, pest confusers, benefical insect attractors, etc. I grow a lot of things from seed and plant nut trees on road sides. It’s a hobby.
Being a caucasian male gave me enviable privileges others can never dream of. It’s a curious thing why there aren’t more minorities on these sites. I don’t have an answer why. I assume they’re so busy trying to get by that they don’t have time for idle contemplation So, yeah, I’ve found that if I can find a way to shut off the shit and get these commentators out of my head, I’m happier and better for it. I don’t think these people are helping anyone. My post is a peak counter-revolution of sorts.
I’ve been through the wringer with Kubler-Ross’ 5 stages of grief and right now I’m on the other side in acceptance. Some people never get there and that’s fine. It’s not like this is a self-righteous linear progression to a higher plane of evolution. That’s the problem I have with her framework. People do what they have to do to get by. Who the fuck am I to judge? Most people will never be willing to contemplate life without electricity, for example. This is normal, given what people were raised to see as normal. We’re creatures of habit. In closing, I don’t think anyone can accept as ‘okay’ what humans have historically done to each other or their landbase, but I can accept that it’s a constant and move on. That’s my story.
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I too went through a similiar phase of thought. I think leading by example is better served in acts of creation rather than destruction. I have my own permaculutre project going on as well. But I have no illusions that this is something for everyone. It is a privelage of middle class or better people aware enough to spend their time and earnings in a more benefical existence.
If I could not do this permaculure project, I would wander the forests, foraging and hunting, moving with the weather and living with what nature provides. I have no interest in being a part of this society if I cannot do it in a way that does not lead to ruin.
Pretty much the only thing I am short of where we currently are is water. We get it from the city, but irrigation is provided by a gravity fed canal. It runs close enough to our home that if the power is off we can carry it (half a block) from the canal to water. But drinking water is a different story. I have the rain barrels but still have to get the roofing and gutters for rainwater harvesting.
Here is my project:
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I agree with you, BP. Good post, good comment above. I’ve been through it all and can’t post on many sites anymore because they don’t like what I have to say. That’s fine, I don’t need to post. I don’t talk to people about this anymore. I want IC to collapse asap only because there might be an increased chance for other species to survive and begin evolving without human beings around. We’re a flash in the pan, really, and it’s no surprise that we will become extinct. We’ve been more destructive than any other species and now our time is at an end, even though we have the intellectual capacity to see it happening in real time right in front of our faces. I’ve come to realize that we really couldn’t have stopped this, not really. People tell me, “yeah, well I’M not like that, not me, I would be a kind, earth-loving, peaceful, non-violent, lover of the earth.” I answer, “You think so, but your children and your children’s children would be ‘like that’ because it’s in your DNA, man. We’re all like that. We’re people. We can’t be anything else. Deep down, we know this.”
I’ve been aghast at the horrible stories in the news lately. I’m old and it’s pretty hard to disgust me, but societal collapse is happening all around us and no one cares. At least, no one cares enough to do anything. Not even me. I thought there would be a general economic back-to-the-stone-age depression before I’d see such horrific acts against women, animals, the destitute, the downtrodden, the mentally ill, the powerless, the poor. I was surprised even though I shouldn’t have been. Before I retired, I even told my students in class to watch for these things.
Now that I think about it, maybe I shouldn’t wish for a quick collapse of IC because there would be an off chance that some human beings would survive. Then, of course, they’d simply set out to re-create the horrors of h. sap. and the hell would begin again. Without a single doubt.
I’m rambling here, I know. Sitting beside me in a cage on the floor is a chicken who can’t walk. She shuffles across the bedding to be beside me when I type. I have no idea why. I have to keep her in the house because the other chickens would kill her. Why doesn’t she just stop eating and die? Why does she try to stand up every time she falls down? Why does she chirp at me when I ask her? What’s she saying? I bring her the first blades of grass that are just beginning to show up outside. She eats them and chirps some more.
I think I stick around to watch it begin, I want to be reassured that no humans will be left alive after this is over. So maybe my chicken is asking me, “So, what’s it like to be a member of the most destructive species that ever evolved on this planet?” I answer, “It sucks.”
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I don’t really understand your attitude of preserving the rest of the animal kingdom because you think most human attitudes and vices will disappear. You do realize we share many common behaviors both beneficial and shitty with many other animals? If you really wanted human style selfishness, greed, intolerance, violence, lying/cheating and environmental destruction to end then you’d better hope that most of the animal kingdom eats it right beside us.
Hell, most birds and ungulates migrate because they use up every resource they can without a second thought and have to move on to another land because the environment is too depleted to support them anymore. Most animals kill or mercilessly bully the deformed or abnormal. Many social animals will steal, lie, rape and take advantage of the weak for more dominant positions. Many animals, especially predators and primates, go to war with each other and leave carcasses scattered across the landscape (If you want videos of these things I can send some to you). Arrogance towards other animals we don’t understand? Also common. A common house cat thinks you’re a complete moron because you don’t think or act like they do.
Seriously, stop elevating other animals above humans. How do you know that parrots, crows, whales or prairie dogs have no concept of an afterlife? You can’t even understand what they say to each other, so how can you just assume they don’t? If anything humans are just cobbled together mimics of many other species’ behaviors. All of our advanced technology is pretty much composed of copied abilities.
Anyway, I don’t hope or pray for anything to go extinct because the gesture is unnecessary. Everything goes extinct sooner or later. Also, if only a few humans survive the bottleneck of low population and drastically changed habitat it will ensure that their descendants don’t stay human. Birds aren’t dinosaurs after all.
Also, don’t make other animals communicating with you into some weird accusatory thing. It’s not healthy and your chicken probably just wants to be fed some more.
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If you thought “corporate personhood” was a problem, corporate sovereignty takes things to a whole new level
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LMFAO.
Not potent enough for suicide…
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/26/monsanto-lobbyist-herbicide-safe-to-drink-video_n_6949816.html
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Patrick Moore, Man Who Refused to Drink Roundup, is Not a Monsanto Lobbyist
We’ve all been had on this one.
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He’s a spin doctor, total fraud:
More dead trees from drought-stressed forests and bark beetle infestation means more carbon in the atmosphere. I suppose we can replant with GMO trees that need no water and are impervious to heat, insects, pollution, and torrential floods. Plastic trees with concrete root systems?
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Oh those damn environmentalists are just so alarmist about the so-called 6th mass extinction. We can reconstitute the web of life with hardier, hybrid species after the human population crashes, right?
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This entire post is a rehashed George Carlin bit. At least give credit where credit is due…
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Not that I totally agree with you in this instance, but perhaps another reason not to blog so often -everything being said is simply a rehash of what has already been said.
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Our planet will become like the others, inhospitable to complex life. You can take that either one of two ways. A) Who cares, we’re all going to die waa waa #YOLO or B) This is a challenge.. “where there’s a will there’s a way”.. we may not be perfect, yet through ourselves as a means to a higher purpose (and not the end in ourselves), we can do good in the cosmos by ensuring complex life and its tool creating ability survives any and all mass extinction events, to become an indestructible force of nature that will leave the earth and transform the solar system.
I follow Peter Ward’s theory from Under A Green Sky and think he’s right that we will have a ‘Planet Medea’ with purple oceans, arid duneless deserts and altogether create a H2S witches brew of death and poison, in addition to methane clathrate release from abrupt global warming bringing that planetary state much sooner than can be predicted. I understand that this could be the last time our planet is this favourable to life. It may never ‘recover’, and the period in which earth remains habitable to complex life is smaller than the period in which it took complex life to evolve. Time is against the earth playing host to a powerful force of life emerging once again, so this is serious, we’re not something to just be thrown away — a lot of time and energy has been invested into ‘evolving’ us, I don’t accept the death warrant regardless of how insurmountable threat seems, even if i’m starving to death I still won’t. It’s a betrayal of life as a whole.
The miracle and failsafe may be so simple (but so hard) as creating Manmade Closed Ecosystems, a dome over an area with a controlled/ deterministic ecosystem that is closed with respect to matter but open with respect to energy. We must learn to live in extreme environments via these Closed Ecosystems and extend life into new material ‘frames of reference’ beyond carbonaceous biology to eventually go beyond those Closed Ecosystems and endure in the extreme environments of space without the technological scaffolding, to become intelligent extremophiles that can acknowledge the limitless possibilities that can occur in time IF ONLY WE ENDURE, to become an indestructible force of nature and animate the lifeless dust of space — That is, I believe, the ultimate prize. DON’T LET IT BE FOR NOTHING.
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I was picturing myself as a truculent old man creaking away on a rocking chair. Watched that clip, it’s been awhile and goddamn if he doesn’t deserve credit. He was Socrates incarnate. I was thinking of stuff people in collapse blogosphere accept as truth and looked to challenge those assumptions. They’re going to say the same thing when Britany Spears dies – that it was a real loss for humanity. Doesn’t that cheapen the language?
Hey, man, if this reminds people of Carlin and sends them back to watching his bits, it did something positive. Better than anything I could write.
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Robert Crumb: Cradle to Grave
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Many doomers, especially beginners, like to focus on Arctic methane and global warming as the uber-boogey man for humanity, yet global warming is only 1 out of 6 direct drivers leading to runaway, irreversible, unstoppable mass extinction within one or two generations. We are just 5 to 10 years away from widespread fighting and genocide over food and water shortages. That will just be the beginning.
All of today’s renewable energy products have 30-year life-cycles and will all be useless toxic waste just when energy and mineral shortages become intense. It is a cascading confluence of crises that will overwhelm our youth. America has already killed 20 million civilians since WW2 and that was during times of plenty, just imagine what that country will do when actual real life shortages kick in.
Millions of black people were killed in the Congo early in the 20th century for control of rubber trees to produce car tires. Millions of blacks were killed in the Congo early in the 21st century for exotic minerals for our kids to lose their fucking minds on smartphones. In between those two times, we filled the world’s poor countries with millions of tons of guns and ammunition. Soon, it won’t be so long that you won’t give a fuck about global warming, when the world’s hungry-angry dark people come a gunning for you. Try skipping four meals, and you’ll begin to understand what’s coming. Peace and love will be the last thing on your mind.
Because of population pressures, we have to grow more food in the next 50 years, than we ever grew in all of the last 500 years. Yet, in 2006, we already passed world peak production of wheat, soy, corn, fish and wood. Right now, 1 billion humans have to walk over a mile each and every day just to get fresh water, yet in 10 years, 66% of humanity will be short of fresh water. Sure, you can skip four meals, you’re tough right? Try skipping a couple of days without water.
Now, let’s pretend that you agree with me that mass extinction is forever. That may be tough enough for some of you, but imagine if, in order to avoid mass extinction, we had to take little Johnny and Suzie’s smartphones away from them. It’s the same as asking a 50 year old to give up his car to save life on earth. Out of my cold dead hands. LOL!!! Goodbye life on earth, we hardly knew you.
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This article is very western cultural-centric. It’s assumptions that all cultures are immersed in porn and violence is false and therefore, its conclusion that a sustainable population living in balance is not possiible is also false.
These populations still exist in certain remote parts of the planet. No, they are not perfect, and are strange by our standards, but they are still living sustainably as they have been for thousands of years.
We can change. Maybe not in totality as a culture, but enough of us to make a difference. If we couldn’t change, then I might have this same nihilistic attitude/view.
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That being said, I do believe there is a high probability that we have set in place certain conditions that may lead to an ubinhabitable planet.
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We haven’t changed for decades except to increase global consumption of all resources and expel ever-larger amounts of waste -GHGs, trash, plastic, and chemical pollution. Africa and South America are working on destroying the last two large rainforests in the world. Capitalism has spread like a cancer across the globe and the peasants are moving to the megacities in developing countries. Growth, growth, growth. All while the natural world continues to dwindle with mass die-offs happening at an ever- increasing rate over the last century. If we are changing, I think it’s more like a tumor metastasizing and engulfing its host.
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Like I said, I doubt we will change as a society until that society is no longer possible. However, there are many of us who are doing our best to live outside the current paradigm as much as possible. To what end I don’t know. But there is no excuse for doing nothing.
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That argument no longer holds a lot weight with me when the results amount to the same thing – nothing. I suspect we all wish we were living in another time – but that time isn’t here yet – and it most certainly won’t be the way we imagine it.
If we lived 100 years ago, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Things are going to play out. In the meantime, whatever floats your boat. I’m not going to hold people who do nothing in contempt anymore. I’m not saying you’re doing this. I was. Instead, I’m going to laugh at our folly. Anyway, I’ve spent enough time laboring these points. Good luck with permaculture. It really is a lot of fun for those fortunate enough to be able to practice it.
Laugh of the day about false advertising:
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There are other options outside of permaculture, and just because your personal efforts failed doesn’t mean no one else could succeed. On a whole, personal actions mean little, but when it comes to evolution it means everything. I wonder if the few little mammalian rats that survived the Permian gave a damn that their personal actions mattered little? No, they simply tried to survive and the successful ones led to all of us today. Society will die out one day. This species will die off one day.So what? Roll the die and take your chances anyway. Whether it be for moral reasons, paranoia, a lust for adventure or whatever else it doesn’t matter.
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IS DOOMERISM JUST FOR WHITE PEOPLE?
…They know the inherent violence that it takes to run the system, they know the infrastructure is crumbling, they know that there must be a permanent underclass in order for the “logic” of capitalism to be sustained, and they know that the natural world is being destroyed (ask any immigrant laborer, who actually has to pick the tomatoes). They know these exeriences first-hand, but can’t do much about the structural problems because, well, wage slavery takes a lot outta’ ya.
But honestly, are white doomers doing much better? The system still lurches forward, with more people taking on more debt and sinking deeper into poverty, and with 200 species going extinct a day. Meanwhile we have a Caligula-style oligarchy at the helm, runaway climate change, and dolphins being born without eyes in the Gulf of Mexico, due to oil pollution (lest we forget)…
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As your post further down suggests, the whole collapse field is fueled by electricity via coal or hydrodams. The collapse luminaries ride airplanes to attend conferences with electricity, working toilets and powerpoint presentations.
This online activity is mostly for the shrinking privileged classes who do not have access to power. It’s a pet project designed to make us feel better; the irony is it can leave people feeling worse than a Catholic guilt complex.
Sooner or later, there’s a reaction to everything. Peak and collapse sites reacting to capitalism, some people in the discussion then react against the discussion.
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Melting ice sheets/SLR can set off largest earthquakes, volcanoes
Climatechange causes destructive geologic events
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An increasingly dysfunctional, dangerous, and Dark Future
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An increasingly dysfunctional, dangerous, and Dark Future
etherghost says:
I say…
Scientists would like to politely disagree:
Climate Change Helped Spark Syrian War, Study Says: Research provides first deep look at how global warming may already influence armed conflict.
Chilling Syrian numbers: 83% of electricity cut, life expectancy drops 20 years
The Middle East is a critical geopolitically strategic place because of its oil reserves for which we prop up the corrupt House of Saud and other dictators in the region. Remember that we overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, in order to install the Shah of Iran who allowed British Pretoleum’s domination of Iranian oil. Nearly a century of nurturing and exploiting radical Islamists to serve the interests of the British and American Empires and the thirst for resources by Western citizens weened on suburban living, gas-guzzling automobiles, fast food, and industrial age values have contributed to the dysfunctional and destabilized Middle East of today.
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from ‘Todd Cory’ via America2Point0:
thanks for posting this mike. it helps me feel a little bit less crazy when others are willing to state/ see the obvious.
so often i see my good “green” friends, bemoaning “them” (the republicans) who don’t believe in agw, or how “they” (the government) should do something to fix the problems, or how i should vote for democrats or sign petitions. i think it is a way for “normal people” to obfuscate their responsibility, pretending they are victims… when we all know “they” will do nothing but try keep the status quo going as long as possible, because human behavior is simply non-negotiable.
the cognitive dissonance is what is so absurd. it is like watching someone hitting themself in the head with a hammer, while complaining about how their head hurts. humans are insane.
and yes, who said +2 C is “safe” when the maunder minimum’s -.4 C caused the little ice age.
no, this will not end well… but since human behavior is non-negotiable, i just spend less and less time being concerned with the upcoming cliff, and more time focusing on how good life is now.
what an amazing moment to be alive.
todd
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Internet service was down for the last four days so I was doing some reading, “Mapping the Mind” by Rita Carter. I found this passage on p.42 to be in agreement with our conclusions:
“Our urge to rationalize behavior probably has considerable survival value. The human species got where it is largely by forming complex social constructs – from the hunting party to the political party – and making them work. To work they require that we have confidence in them and to have confidence we need to believe that the actions of these organizations are based on sound, rational judgements. At one level, of course, we know we are kidding ourselves. For example, all governments, in all societies, have some policies that are demonstrably irrational. However, no government member, anywhere, ever admits this – not at the time, anyway. Instead they rationalize their policy-making. We may see through it, but basically we like things this way – it makes us feel safe.”
So basically what we have is a subconsciously directed Homo erectus fossil fuel hunting party with the added capabilities of technology, without willfulness, with a wordsmithing module that tells us we’re doing the right thing and that God loves capitalism, F-150 trucks, war heroes, Coca-Cola, that humans are special, growth is good and that the technological singularity is just beyond the horizon. What’s to argue with there?
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Sounds ominously, depressingly right on the money.
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Maybe we are all climate change deniers
…Our social selves resist also because what is called for requires so big a change. This one is personally very compelling for me.
Our culture is designed around cars and a consumer life. If I were to change my lifestyle to reflect all that I think I should be doing, I would be living so differently from everyone around me that I would isolate myself. My life would become a statement that I don’t intend to make. There would be very little I would have in common with my friends, and some might react with resentment, guilt or envy. I would be different. A hard thing for a social animal!…
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I was trying to do just that and ran into isolation. It was also so damn stressful. I ate voraciously and was still losing weight running around trying to do all the things I thought had to get done. To an observer who didn’t share my urgency, I had gone crazy or turned into a zealot – actually they’re the same thing.
“…[a]ll that I think I should be doing…”
Those are the magic words. I don’t wish to feed that beast anymore. It feeds back feelings of guilt, anxiety, inadequacy, etc. Book authors also excel at pushing fear.
Our time is a few of us sounding the fire alarm bells while the rest of us are still fast asleep. A mad scramble probably ensues with nightmarish consequences. In the aftermath, most concerted efforts will fail. Some could succeed – for awhile. No one knows how long our species will last. There’s way too much speculation going on and the pundits I’m losing patience with are as guilty as anyone. Like these forums, I’m content to do some things in the margins and laugh again.
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The Sahel creeping south by about 36K square km a year, 400% increase in sand dunes projected over the next 20 years
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One more comment on DGR. If your goal is to bring down industrial civilization, wouldn’t it behoove you to be as discreet as possible? Yet the authors pull a 180, not only announcing their intentions, but providing lurid details of their strategy, tactics, targets, and organizational structure. It makes one almost believe they’re part of FBI’s entrapment division. They divide their army into two groups; the first is conspicuous, above board, working within legal means of protest; the rest are covert anonymous operatives. One is safe, the other is dangerous with a high risk of mortality or life in prison. Guess which category the authors fall into?
“But they already know who I am,” the authors might protest. A valid objection. Almost like it was planned this way. “There, I did something. Let other people do the hardwork. I feel better already.”
Given white people’s track record, you would expect they’d be the last people you’d go to looking for what to do to ‘save the environment.’ It’s the equivalent of looking to technology to save us when it helped create the problem in the first place.
Less is more.
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Good essay and many good comments.
BP mentioned in the last thread about the argument between Paul Krugman and Richard Heinberg. I read recently that Krugman’s PhD supervisor was William Nordhaus,which would largely explain Krugman’s ecological ignorance.(Although any mainstream economics professor could probably do an equally fine job)
Nordhaus was a key figure in the campaign to undermine the ‘Limits to Growth’ report,and the Stern report.
Clive Hamilton’s ‘Requiem for a species’ is well worth reading,but if you don’t want to read the whole book,chapter two ,titled ‘Growth Fetishism ‘ is highly recommended.
It is an excellent critique of mainstream economics in general,and Nordhaus’s approach to climate change in particular. You will be shaking your head in wonderment at the absurdity of it all. Almost like Monty Python in print.
A change of subject. I don’t approach the debate about hunter-gather societies versus industrial civilisation in terms of whether they were ‘noble savages’ but about which system could have long-term sustainability.
The unanimous evidence of early European Explorers to Australia is that of an environment brimming with abundant life after 50.000 years of Hunter-gatherer presence.We will never know how long it could have continued , but apart from catastrophies like asteroid impact or European invasion,I can’t see any reason why it could not have continued while the climate remained habitable. All available evidence is that industrial civilisation will last about 300 years. I wonder if there is a lesson there?
Industrial civilisation is dependent on industrial agriculture,which has six systemic flaws which guarantee that this system will not have long-term sustainability,even if
CO2 was an atmospherically benign substance.
These systemic flaws did not exist under a hunter-gatherer system.Most long term readers to this blog will be aware of these flaws,but I will list them below.
1. Soil erosion.The informed estimates of the amount of soil erosion on the area now cultivated or grazed are around 26 billion tons per year.The informed estimates of the amount of soil formation on that same area are around 2.5 billion tons per year.
We are all dependent on that soil for our existence.Soil erosion has existed since soil first formed,but when the rate of soil erosion exceeds the rate of soil formation,the only question is ‘How long do we have left’
2 Dependence on fossil fuels. Industrial Agriculture has been accurately described as a system for turning oil into food.When the energy inputs of production,processing and transporting are considered,each energy unit of food consumed requires around ten units of fossil fuel energy.
See:’Food,Energy and Society’ by David Pimental.
3.The ‘fixed ‘ nitrogen required by industrial agriculture is supplied by the Haber-Bosch process,which Mike mentions in a comment above.Without the Haber-Bosch process ,the maximum human population that could be supported on the land area now used for our food production is around 3 billion. It has not only allowed a ballooning of our population,but the disruption to the natural nitrogen cycle has led to other serious problems,such as the eutrophication (with Phosphorous) of river systems and ocean dead zones.
See: ‘Enriching the Earth’ by Vaclav Smil
4.Conversion of other nutrient cycles into linear systems.Towns and cities flushing waste into the sea means that those wastes are no longer returning to the earth from which they came.The nutrients in them still cycle in geological terms,but in the shorter term they are mainly lost to ocean sediment.Industrial agriculture them becomes dependent on the mining of mineral nutrient deposits.Those deposits are finite.
Phosphorous is the nutrient in shortest supply.
See: ‘Feed or Feedback’ by Duncan Brown, ‘Scarcity’ by Chris Clugston,
‘Extracted’ by Ugo Bardi.
5. Dependence on fossil water. Many aquifers supplying water to industrial agriculture are being drawn down at rates far greater than the rate of aquifer recharge.Some aquifers are not being recharged at all. Water shortages for agricultural and other uses will become an increasingly serious problem.
See:’When the Rivers run Dry’ by Fred Pearce, ‘Water’ by Solomon.
6.Dependence on the use of huge quantities of various biocides,which causes enormous damage to various ecosystems ,and our own health.We all know about
‘Silemt Spring’. Read ‘Poisoned Planet’ by Julian Cribb as well.
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I should have made that ‘Seven Fundamental Systemic Flaws’
7.Deforestation.The deforestation in the past and continuing now,which is a pre-requisite for agriculture,is the main underlying reason for soil erosion and structural degradation,and a major reason for the loss of biodiversity,and a major contributor to climate disruption.The deforestation of large areas can also lead to a regional decrease of rainfall and even desertification.A huge problem.
See ‘A Forest Journey’ by John Perlin
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I should have mentioned that the Haber-Bosch process is also very energy intensive and is dependent on fossil fuels.
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Reblogged this on Industrial Civilization – A Cult of Death.
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The damage wrought by the Haber-Bosch process and our civilisation’s misuse of it is immense. Ever the techno-optimist, Vaclav Smill’s book on it should really have been titled ‘Devastating The Earth rather than ‘Enriching The Earth.’
An excerpt from ‘Poisoned Planet’ by Julian Cribb :
‘In addition to the 30 million tonnes of manufactured chemicals produced and released each year, humanity also concentrates and releases vast amounts of nutrients through worldwide agriculture, transport and manufacturing. Johan Rockstrom of the Stockholm Resilience Centre and colleagues estimated that humanity injects 121 million tonnes of elemental nitrogen from the atmosphere annually into soil and water processes. We also discharge an estimated 8.5 to 9.5 million tonnes of elemental phosphorous into the oceans. Together these act as serious contaminants and greatly exceed the volumes naturally recirculating in the Earth system. In the case of nitrogen, they have already exceeded a dangerous boundary, a level which, in the opinion of the scientists, humanity ought not to transgress for its own safety.While not linked to large-scale human mortality, the release of these nutrients is slowly killing many of the world’s rivers, lakes and an expanding area of ocean. This has so far led to the formation of hundreds of ‘dead zones’-areas of water that have been stripped of oxygen due to nutrient pollution-and the resulting process of stagnation, leading to heavy losses of fish and other local water life.
The release of nutrients is also closely tied to humanity’s largest impact on the planet: soil erosion.With satellites revealing that half the Earth’s land surface is already degraded, it has been estimated that around 75 billion tonnes of soil are displaced by farming, grazing,construction and development every year, together with all the chemicals that bind to soil particles. While soil is not normally regarded as a contaminant, dust has a significant effect on human health,especially that of infants.
Some dusts carry heavy metals and other toxins. It is also a reminder that we mining the planet in order to feed ourselves–and that sooner or later, all mines become exhausted.’
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Awesome post Davey.
► We have to grow more food in the next 50 years than we grew in the last 500 years.
► We need 6 million hectares of new farmland every single year to do this.
► We lose 12 million hectares of farmland every single year.
► Earth has only 60 years of farming left at current soil degradation rates.
► England has only 100 harvests left at current soil degradation rates.
► In 10 years, 2015, 66% of humanity will be short of fresh water.
► Humans and livestock eat 40% of earth’s annual land chlorophyll production.
► Humans and livestock are 97% of land vertebrate biomass.
► Crop and pasture lands caused 80% of all species extinctions.
► We already passed world peak production in 2006 for wheat, soy, corn and fish.
► We are running out of cheap, accessible potassium and phosphates.
► These irreplaceable fertilizers cannot be manufactured by humans.
► The nitrogen eco-system is badly corrupted it kills off river and ocean life.
► We face mounting crop losses due to drought, flood and extreme weather.
► There are 80,000 untested chemicals in our environment.
► We add thousands of chemicals to our food in a captured regulatory environment.
► We spray so much herbicide and pesticide our croplands are “Green Deserts”.
► GM foods destroy soil ecology and poisons us without our permission.
► GM crops destroyed 90% of Monarch Butterflies in 20 years.
► 3 neo-nic laced seeds will kill one bird and is water soluble.
► Monocultures cause bee malnutrition due to a lack of bio-diversity in pollen sources.
► Bee malnutrition weakens colonies against poisons, disease and extreme weather.
► We add nanoparticles to our foods without testing for long term safety.
► We add computer designed, synthetic DNA to our food.
► We kill elephants and orangutans to clear forests to grow palm oil.
► This palm oil is burnt as bio-fuels in Germany’s diesel cars in Europe.
► Rainforests are slashed and burned in South America to grow soy.
► Pigs in China eat half of all the soy grown in South America.
► Our food is killing off life on earth.
► Runaway mass extinction is unstoppable and irreversible once started.
► Ocean plankton declines of 1% per year means 100% gone in 70 years.
► When ocean plankton is 50% gone, you can save your breath.
► We then only have to wait 10 million years for recovery.
► You should notice I did not mention global warming even once.
► Global warming is only 1 out of 6 Direct Drivers of Mass Extinction.
► Therefore: Green Energy will not stop Mass Extinction.
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► IPCC climate mitigation, carbon sequestration and adaptive strategies all assume more cropland availability.
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I’ve read the number of people this planet can support indefinitely (not sustainably – that implies forever) is anywhere from 1 to 3 billion. Let’s assume it’s true.
For there to be a real improvement in our species’ prospects, Capitalism and population reduction must occur first. Since they’re intricately linked, we’re really talking about degrowth. Until this happens, nothing of substance can be done. In the interim, the things that are done aren’t even half-measures – they’re more like 1/1024 measures. Capitalism makes it next to impossible to participate outside the market economy. Usually that means having a car or some other mode of industrial transportation – but usually a car. How can we honestly think we’re doing our part when we’re still using cars, to say nothing of everything else attached to industrial production? It’s fantasy.
So where does that leave the actions of individuals and small groups of like-minded individuals? It leaves them with the solace of personal realization, which is really self-gratification. This course of action does not hold any tangible difference on a macro level from those who seek self-gratification in the typical consumer/casino style of accumulation. That’s fine, but a little honesty would be refreshing. Since the whole point of making preparations is for the preservation of the species, the onus is on those proponents to show how their actions will help before degrowth makes real action possible.
I also don’t get those who castigate others for having children, as if abstaining will resolve our overpopulation crisis. Death via famine, disease, and war will reduce our population, not abstinence. Besides, our species didn’t decide to overpopulate the planet – it responded to a surplus of energy.
Last, if the world can only maintain 1-3 billion, that means upwards of 50% of us need to die. Seems like a lot of luck is needed no matter how carefully you plan. Blind luck or misfortune, depending on your viewpoint, was probably largely responsible for us getting here in the first place.
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I did notice that the high priest of the Church of Euthanasia is still alive… hypocrite.
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A popular argument among some “doomers” is this: An individual can do nothing or vanishingly little to change the vast jugernaut of history, capitalism, greed, war, etc. therefore one should not waste one’s time trying to do anything in that direction. The fallacy here should be obvious, but is often not to those wanting to embrace a do-nothing philosophy that relieves them of all responsibility for changing the world, or themselves for that matter. It is true that the unaided efforts of a single individual can do little to effect cultural changes, but the effectively organized efforts of large groups of individuals can and have done so.
I don’t want to get into making a list of all doomer fallacies, but here is one related to the one above: Unless you can prove to me conclusively that your idea for group impact to accomplish change will work without fail, or better has already accomplished what you hope for it – then it is invalid and not worth considering. I invite the reader to deconstruct this proposition for him/her self.
As a footnote: Consult Eric Bernes’ Games People Play. One of those games is – You put up an idea for some positive action aiming to achieve certain results, and I will shoot it down. Those who enjoy playing this game can devote a considerable part of their time to finding or creating opportunities for this gambit. There are many pay-offs for the player, including “See how much smarter I am than you? Don’t you feel stupid now for putting such a silly idea out there?”
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Alright !!!!!
We developed hope in the form of religion so that we can function day-to-day unhindered by thoughts of our own mortality. After all, life after death makes so much sense. We are high-functionally bat-shit crazy. That’s why I don’t get angry at the apparent hypocrisy of denial, it’s human nature developed from high-risk / high-reward hunter-gatherer behaviour. Agriculture did not change that. Like all things natural, our strength is our weakness.
We need a new world e-currency based on carbon tax dividends with no share for government and corporations just like James Hansen wants. That’s why the Rockefellers and The Ford Foundation fund Naomi Klein as a spokesperson for corporate/government control of future carbon taxes. Just ask her if governments should control carbon taxes. The funny thing is we can fix one of the only two things we agree on, but we are too greedy and fearful. We are too stupid to live and will not survive mis-anthropogenic climate change.
Evolution is not random complexity. How can an octopus evolve to camouflage its colour and apparent texture to match random background colours? Priests ask you to believe in life after death without proof just like scientists ask you believe in multiple universes, faster than light space and time travel.
By the age of 8 years-old, our kids spend 8 hours per day watching video screens, while we subject them to sex and mind altering drugs until they go crazy trying to make the world notice.
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For those wishing not to do nothing, I think they cling to a moral argument that Timothy expressed earlier – ‘there’s no excuse for doing nothing.’
I can think of another moral argument – “we fucked up, deserve whatever happens, and it’s time for something else to ascend to the top of the food chain.” I can imagine other animals might say, ” Please stop. You’ve done enough.”
Whatever floats your boat. I don’t do nothing, but even if I did, I’ve yet to be convinced it makes a difference one way or the other. BTW, that’s assuming we want the species to survive. I’m not convinced our survival is a good thing. It’s not necessarily bad, either. I’m content to just let it play out. Kind of do my thing in the margins and get out of the way.
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Um, I don’t remember anyone recommending abstinence. Ever heard of contraception? Overpopulation can he addressed by lowering the birth rate or increasing the death rate. The former seems more humane to me. In our current predicament, we have probably run out of time to solve it that way, so a huge increase in the death rate is in the near future… I find it perplexing that those who realize that a time of die-off, turmoil and suffering is almost certainly close at hand, would bring a child into the world to have a connection to the future, when that future would probably rather have been avoided by the child if he/she had had a choice.
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I meant abstinence in the sense of abstaining from having children, not sex. I should have been more clear given the regular usage. Overpopulation will only be addressed by death at this point, as you admit.
People have kids because they want to go on living. They may not believe there’s a great die-off coming. Or they do believe but don’t know when. Or they just don’t care. Or they want to hope for the best. Try to understand people instead of judging them.
How about letting the kid decide? He or she can kill themselves later. A lot of them do. We always have that option. Fuck, no one asks to be born. Given your line of reasoning, if you’re sure there’s a great die-off approaching, why aren’t you living it up or killing yourself? Have some fun before it’s too late!!
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While I agree there’s a die-off in the future, it’s based on logic. Is everyone logical? They might demand more, like when is this going to happen, how severe will it be, will it happen uniformly across the globe or will some places be impacted more than others. What will the future be like? Will it be suffused with radiation or will there still be pockets of viable land? Nobody knows and a lack of specifics undermines persuasive efforts.
It’s always a role of the dice when you have children. Parents hope they aren’t born retarded, don’t get hit by a bus, get raped and murdered by a pedophile and a plethora of other pitfalls. Having the spectre of a massive die-off doesn’t change that reality, just makes it more likely to happen. I don’t think we’re witnessing the end of times, just the end of this way of life. There’s a difference.
It’s unreasonable to expect people to abstain from having sex, so why should we expect people to abstain from having children? As long as there are people, there’s going to be people having kids. Hoping people manage their populations better in the future is as far as I can go. And if you want the species to live more in harmony with the planet, that entails having kids anyway.
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BP,
I won’t be directing comments at you in the future,and I would be obliged if you return the favour. Just keep breeding,and let the kids commit suicide when the obvious future eventuates? I wom’t be taking lectures from you ,Sunshine.
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Global drought news…

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Ironic this takes place in Sioux County.
Just a replay of Monsanto above.
Nebraska Farmer Invites Pro-Fracking Commission Members to Drink Contaminated Water
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That’s the real deal and well done. Yet the bureaucrats sit stony-faced and, no doubt, they’ll forget about that little demonstration within a few days because clean water is taken for granted. The horror show of capitalist industrial civ must go on.
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Why can’t they just admit that they don’t give a shit?
The survival instinct? All my observations point to the opposite conclusion.
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They’re old and grey too. Won’t be around for The Great Die-Off.
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They’re aren’t exercising the full spectrum of arguments available to them. I mean, come on! How else are they going to stay cool when the cornfields are baking in 100 degree heat?. These old farts need air conditioning. Can’t anyone see that?!?
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Robert said, “I did notice that the high priest of the Church of Euthanasia is still alive… hypocrite.”
I’m uncertain whether this was directed at me, but I’ll reply anyway. I’m not suggesting human agency should decide who lives or dies. Nature and time will. We’re in overshoot and I would think everyone understands a severe reduction in our numbers is necessary, whether acknowedged or not. After that happens, and provided we’re both still alive and want to continue living, I’d be happy to sit down and talk about what we can do.
In the meantime, if people (not directed at Robert – this is in general) are so concerned about their impact on the planet, why not just kill yourself? It would reduce your impact more than anything else could. That there would still be 7 + billion people plugging away, lessens its significance, although it can still represent a personal triumph for others to emulate.
That this option is usually not entertained suggests to me that people are concerned about their impact for other reasons – they want to ease their conscience while they go on living comfortable lifestyles – environmental activism in a nutshell. It’s not the tangible effects (there are none) – it’s the symbolic significance. We do things designed to make ourselves feel better all the time. It’s a kind of negotiation or bargaining with one’s self.
I don’t want to die right now either. But I don’t see how feeling wracked with guilt helps. I pestered my family with that shit – “you need to do this – we should do that – we have to feel bad and do something before it’s too late.” I had no right. That’s religion talking, man, another thing designed to make us feel better – with an unhealthy dollop of guilt to boot. You become a zealot. And there’s a lot of Christian symbolism wrapped in doomerism – waiting for the apocalypse, forcing others to see the light of all our problems, saying if we don’t do this or that, it’ll be hell on earth. But people are going to go down that route. I did. So, all I can do is shrug, man. Do what you gotta do.
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I bought the Humanure handbook by Jenkins. He’s been composting his shit for years. It’s safe if done well.
Anyway, I made a composting toilet – a real nice one with seat, box, lid, enough room so you could either sit or squat – and asked if my parents would be willing to use it. Basically, this means shitting in a bucket with sawdust or leaf litter. I’d be the one to empty it. They said no, even though they’re dependent on a well and should husband that water source. But of course they said no. For most people, that’s going too far. It’s just not the right time.
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Not directed at you BP. my apologies for being sloppy
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With the Earth groaning under the weight of 7.3 billion people, most wanting to consume as much as possible, I think the last thing any ecologically literate person would do is add to the burden. Ah, but it’s so important that my special genes have a connection to the future, isn’t it? Never mind that that future is going to be a nightmare on stilts.
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Is there any reason to believe that the human tendencies towards competition, tribalism and hierarchy that are manifest at all levels of modern societies and result in technological warfare, will in any way be altered with the discovery of any new viable energy source? Would a “new beginning” really change human behavior? It seems that the mega-BTUs already thrown at education have had little lasting effect upon the mental template. In the transition from single-celled existence to multi-cellularity, peace did not become the norm but rather vicious predation at a larger level ensued. Isn’t this what the technological ape does at the offshoot technological level, go to war to obtain and eat someone else’s lunch to maximize their own reproductive success and accumulation of wealth. So what would more energy and technology do for us except crank up the level of destruction? We gleefully gloat over our technological progress like a wolf would gloat over new larger canine teeth while considering its next victim. Technological “progress” is just the next biological arms race embarked upon by a mindless species of ape. Really it doesn’t matter how much energy we have or the extent of our technological progress, in the end, the near future, the process is lethal.
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Since we’re all embedded in this malignant system and enjoying the benefits of longer lifespan, endless growth and complete disregard for the integrity of the body, many of us would just as soon that things continue on as they are, only with more. Being a malignant entity is damned good until it’s not. Too bad that the organic component of human civilization (that’s us) evolved to dissect our surroundings, encode the results as information and then find ways to reassemble elemental components into advantageous tools as if this was all a gift from God. Some gift, like giving a box of matches and lighter fluid to some kids and telling them to use their new found power responsibly. We can pretty much figure out what happened next. The metabolic fires are burning bright tonight in the industrial and developing world. Techno-kid lit the whole planet on fire, too bad there’s no place for the exhaust to go. When the fire stops you can count on most everything having been consumed.
We’re not a “live in harmony” species, we’re a greedy, shortsighted, competitive predator and the world is sizzling and popping on a spit above our fossil fuel fires. Each day approximately 200,000 more are welcomed to the barbecue as thick smoke hits the tropospheric ceiling, each new customer with an empty plate waiting to be filled. The flames lick the flesh and another chunk of well-done ecosystem is carved from the planet and served to the hungry. Only from now on, at this orgiastic apex, portions will be getting smaller and soon those claim tickets decorated with presidents will no longer be honored. Those that thought they had a seat at the table in perpetuity will have a rude awakening when the real capital owners show them the door and find them a place slopping the hogs out back.
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The myth of Europe’s Little Ice Age
http://www.voxeu.org/article/myth-europe-s-little-ice-age
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Ugo Bardi says:
The collapse of the shale bubble: does it bring also the collapse of climate denial?
I say:
I wonder if things would have really ended up much different, even without the massive PR campaign by the FF industry. Bill Gates appears to know the damage being done by AGW, yet he still invests heavily in FF:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/19/despite-climate-change-rhetoric-gates-foundation-invests-14-billion-fossil-fuels
Obama appears to know the damage being done by AGW, yet his environmental record is arguably worse than that of his predecessor:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119790/obamas-environmental-record-doesnt-deserve-krugmans-praise
Nearly all world leaders appear to know the damage being done by AGW, yet no meaningful action has ever been instituted through any UN climate change summit in 23 years:
http://www.monbiot.com/2015/03/10/applauding-themselves-to-death/
In fact, we followed the projections of ‘The Limits to Growth’ study to a T for the last 4 decades:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/limits-to-growth-was-right-new-research-shows-were-nearing-collapse
And the FF industry is still at it, “quietly building a network that dwarfs Keystone”
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/03/16/us-oil-pipeline-industry-quietly-building-network-dwarfs-keystone
I think there are complex civilizational systems running the show that no one has any control over.
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New idea. Futurology tours to North Korea for the kids, just so they’re not blindsided when GDP per capita drops below subsistence level.
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In 1998, Carnegie Mellon researchers warned that the internet could make us into hermits. They released a study monitoring the social behavior of 169 people making their first forays online. The web-surfers started talking less with family and friends, and grew more isolated and depressed. “We were surprised to find that what is a social technology has such anti-social consequences,” said one of the researchers at the time. “And these are the same people who, when asked, describe the Internet as a positive thing.”
The Shut-In Economy
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That’s why I’ve got to get off. Actually, if I don’t stop, my wife will kill me (talk about depopulation). Being on the internet makes me a high consumption person to begin with. Per capita consumption maybe just as important as overall population. See Wackernagel et al.
Before I go, don’t miss out on purchasing my latest boo- get the fuck outta here. I’m joking.
Have a good one everybody.
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It appears bearing children is contentious for some. Here are the critiques I’ve come up with for an ecologically aware person’s desire to curb overpopulation through contraception.
a) it’s too late. Human population is on the high curve exponentially. The time for this was on the slow upcurve when, unfortunately, people were oblivious (except for maybe Malthus)
b) at the human scale we have now, it invariably involves industrial processes like resource extraction of rubber, oil for plastic and pills, manufacturing, transportation, dissemination, and education. With limits within reach resulting in economic contraction and the onset of degrowth as carbon emission flattening and oil prices suggest, these measures represent a level of cost that is not feasible long term. The scope of the problem is too big for human initiative.
c) for an ecologically literate person to ignore one’s footprint is ironic. There are single people in the west who consume more energy than entire third world families, where birth rate is often higher.
d) suicide will happen just like some traditional societies resorted to infanticide when herbal contraceptives failed. As unpleasant as this might be to some – (no parent wants to see their children die) it is the reality.
e) the only effective contraceptive is hard limits. Humans will continue to have kids util they can’t. Nature will do this work. Suicide will be a minor footnote. I imagine the elderly will be the first sacrifices, not the infants.
The sensibilities we have now will be obsolete in the future. The point was never that suicide is a good thing – merely that it will be one real event that lowers our population, by no means the main one. I suspect people will once again be more comfortable with death. I’m not interested in confirming people’s views or making them feel better.
Nevertheless, I wish everyone good luck. I appreciated the opportunity to share my views. Thanks again, Mike.
Regards,
BP
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Do you ever get the idea that most people can get by within their own routine environments and matching mind space without giving much thought to anything. As if the thalamus is determining what stimuli they pay attention to within that environment, and gets them to routinely gain access to those resources that keep them alive – without much thought. Someone might say, “I’m going to eat at McDonald’s today”, but saying that is just a running commentary, other parts of the brain have already made the decision for them. As I’ve said before, the prefrontal cortex cannot have free will, as it does not have the emotional connections that can motivate the behaviors that guarantee access to life giving resources. The lower levels of the brain “decide” what you need and where to get it while the prefrontal cortex is free to describe those actions or report upon what the lower brain has decided. Much of what the lower brain decides is a result of subconscious conditioning by advertising. Advertising has a significant effect upon the subconscious parts of the brain where decisions are made even before it is assembled in the visual cortex and sent to the prefrontal cortex. An advertisement for a new medicine may show smiling faces, have beautiful music and show great family experiences while side effects are related verbally which the thalamus is likely filtering out in favor of the more emotionally laden information. It’s not the verbal/rational part of the brain that makes the decision to use the medicine or not, but rather the emotional part, the limbic system.
A rational argument will not elicit a rational behavior. The behavior will continue as it has for the last hundred million years with the added bonus of “sapient” commentary.
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‘A rational argument will not elicit a rational behaviour.’
Bullshit.
What is the point of education campaigns if they do not have an easily documented result?
To argue against contraception because of it’s environmental impact is laughable.
Compared to the impact of our other industrial activities,the cost of producing contraceptives is minuscule.
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Education campaigns generally target the emotions, not the intellect. For instance, campaigns to curtail Crystal Meth usually show individuals before and after substance abuse to elicit a strong visceral “emotional” reaction. Much more effective than providing a full written description which may be impossible for many to read and then think about in an effective manner. Discourage sex or encourage condom use by showing a lot of reproductive organs eaten up by various diseases, not by harping on the dangers of overpopulation.
Is this blog an education campaign? What about Guy McPherson’s blog with its contentious, whiny, dim-witted commenters? Reality cannot be ascertained by posting a music video or undergoing grieving counselling. A developed mental model of reality is not available to the vast majority of mankind and never will be. Humans have evolved to create and use tools to break into nature’s storehouse, that is what they’ve done for tens of thousands of years and that is what they’re doing today without any greater perspective. I used to be somewhat of a misanthrope because of all the environmental damage, but why bother, they’re not even conscious, for the most part. Just emotional apes that took an evolutionary wrong turn some time back and now approaching the end of their technological escapade.
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It would be interesting to know how many hundred thousand couples around the world have decided to have one or zero children entirely because of rational argument.I am in that group.(zero children)
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Well done and informative 28min Doc from the ABC – the one down under – on the inescapable chemical exposures of living in industrial civilization. I completely agree with James that we operate on emotion and rationalize afterwards, but I suspect that the toxicity of modern life has played some part in the great dumbing down. I do not believe the end result would be all that much different with more critical thinkers walking around. It’s fucking frustrating though.
Our Chemical Lives
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4207313.htm
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The Theory of Everything Stupid
http://www.dailyimpact.net/2015/03/30/the-theory-of-everything-stupid/
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-31/china-builds-6-million-bridge-nowhere
Ghost cities, bridge to nowhere, smog fog… Seems to be in a horror movie.
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One of the functions of the prefrontal cortex is to provide a control mechanism over emotional desires and passions. We no longer just jump in and “do it”. We’re rather circumspect, instead planning when, where and how we’ll do it so that we don’t run afoul of any social sanctions and/or punishments. We’re still tethered to what the body and lower limbic system wants, we just get to plan how to get it, and more of it, and more of it………………………. Some of our most intense planning is in how to cheat, take a shortcut to the reward without getting caught. Even though the world may be coming to an end, the typical human is continuously reminded by its limbic system as to what’s important – food, water, sex, entertainment, social ranking, personal wealth surplus. Having to think about too much CO2 in the air and cutting back on carbon fuel use must create massive dissonance in a lot of people who are living their lives to the beat of a different drummer – a beat emanating from the center of their brains to which the prefrontal cortex must dance.
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Collapse Data Cheat Sheet Available Here
(free use policy)
http://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/311m7d/collapse_data_cheat_sheet/
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because in front of exponential population, ind civ could not provide every body with car, money, women, drugs, excitment, etc., they get it from gaming. millions upon millions of them, burning coal to live their dream on screen. I hear my 30 yo son playing (with others, mind you, so that he beleives he is not alone). He has helicopters, friends, no need for water or food, no need to evacuate, just bond with your friends and conquer. all night long. I ask him: what will we do when the electricity is gone? or if we do not have money to buy electricity? he says he does not want to think about it. they sure know what living in the present means.
I am glad my sons are not going to have children
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I just scrolled down NBL and learnt that ‘Everything is perfect,just as it is.’
There you go. That’s where decades of pampered privileged pondering can land you. I can hear Voltaire chuckling from here.
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And the lesson is, if you should have a peak experience, during which you are afforded a glimpse of the unity of all creation and the many-splendored, life-affirming revelations that flow from it, for God’s sake keep it to yourself. Eckhart Tolle had just such an experience sitting in a London park, and the bastard has now written a slew of books and serves up canned buddhism to anyone who will pay.
I can’t think of any insight more precious, or more damned dangerous in the hands of your average primitive primate bent on helping themselves to another chunk of spiritual materialism to shore up their faltering sense of self, than the idea that ‘everything is perfect.’
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I was chuckling too (lol actually) when I read Paul C’s comment (who I like). We all must deal somehow eh? It reminded me of a song from the LEGO movie I watched with my little twin nieces last month. The song is called “Everything Is Awesome” and I laughed out loud when I saw/heard it. The girls thought it was great that I was enjoying myself and laughed along with me. I think the song should be the official denier theme for the majority of humanity. I wonder if Paul C saw that movie?
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Looks as though the word ‘awesome’ is now destined to be without meaning.
You’ll have to post this on NBL. Thanks.
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NASA Scientists Have Frightening Answers About Future Megadrought on Reddit AMA(Ask Me Anything.
Someone asks: How screwed is California?
Answer:
“Well, for sea level rise, places like the Bay Area, the Delta, a lot of the coastal cities, and the whole area near Arcata and Eureka will eventually have serious issues.
The changing rainfall patterns are likely to be a bigger deal in the immediate future though. Lack of water is already a big issue, in large part because it’s used so unwisely in Ca. This particular issue has a long history behind it, Cadillac Desert: The American West and Its Disappearing Water by Marc Reisner provides a great overview of the history of water use in Ca and offers great insight into why some of the bad decisions were made in the first place.
The overuse of ground water, especially in agricultural areas, is extremely troubling because refresh rates for aquifers are on the order of thousands of years due to the extremely slow percolation rate of water through the ground.
With a radical restructuring of the agricultural and ranching system in California the state could probably weather through moderately well, but it would not be easy and the political will is not likely to emerge soon enough or be able to fight the big money agribusiness operations active in the Central Valley.“
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MSM – 10 Years late as usual.
The Arctic climate threat that nobody’s even talking about yet
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/04/01/the-arctic-climate-threat-that-nobodys-even-talking-about-yet/
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So many words. We humans fear death, think its something bad to be avoided. Unfortunately it cannot be avoided. Every baby is born with a death sentence. The only way to end death of humans is extinction. No more humans no more death.
Did anyone really mind not existing before they were born? I didn’t. Won’t mind not existing when I am dead.
Unfortunately once born we have to die, and dying is usually not pleasant. But being dead…..piece of cake
“Death is the easiest of all things after it, and the hardest of all things before it.”
Abu Bakr
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I loved this! Thank you for speaking for those of us who don’t have the ability to express themselves as well. You put all my vague feelings into clear writing.
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