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6th Mass Extinction, Abraham Lincoln, Black Friday, Capitalism, Civil War Propoganda, Consumer Culture, Corporatocracy, Ferguson Missouri, Genocide, Indigenous Cultures, Ocean Acidification, Overpopulation, Resource Depletion, Ron Cobb, Sarah Josepha Hale, Thanksgiving Day, The Elite 1%, William S. Burroughs
Tomorrow is Thanksgiving, a holiday created from romanticized myths about grand and cordial feasts between pilgrims and the indigenous people whose lives, land, and culture would soon be exterminated from coast to coast. Truth be told, Thanksgiving sprang from the imaginative mind of Sarah Josepha Hale, an author and editor who campaigned for nearly two decades to make it a national holiday before winning over President Lincoln who made it official in 1863. Some historians believe Lincoln used the creation of Thanksgiving as propaganda during the Civil War to paint Northerners as the true founders of the nation whose cause in the war was virtuous and just. In her writings, Hale also pushed the delusional belief that the “United States government was founded without bloodshed.”
Today the holiday has become fully merged into the capitalist superstructure as a time to binge on turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing, cranberry sauce and puddings just before camping outside consumerist temples for the true day of worship… Black Friday. Riots and mob violence are generally tolerated on Black Friday since it is the key event kicking off the holiday shopping season and driving up corporate profits. Protests and riots for social justice and equality are seen as threats to the capitalist status quo and are systematically undermined, quelled, and co-opted. As I explained in a previous post, the events in Ferguson dominating the headlines are rooted in our socio-economic system.
A few recent thoughts on Twitter about Ferguson and the state of the “civilized” world…
We could go into great detail about each of the above comments, supporting them with a multitude of facts and references, but I think they speak for themselves and summarize quite well the disintegrating social fabric in America and across the world. Compounding the problem of our sociopathic and sclerotic economic system are the environmental crises of climate change, ocean acidification, resource depletion, and overpopulation, none of which can be successfully dealt with unless we address the system that underlies them all, i.e. capitalism and its energy-intensive way of life. The facts tell us it’s much too late to do anything to save ourselves, but this hopeless mindset only serves to empower those at the top who continue to profit from this corrupt and self-destructive system. It’s past time to step outside our comfort zone and do something to try and save a piece of the web of life fast disappearing before our eyes.
The following poem by William S. Burroughs resonates with what has gone horribly wrong in America and perhaps what has always been wrong.
And a happy National Colonization Celebration and Bird Sacrifice Day to you too 🙂
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I think we only have a fraction of that number of police shootings in our entire history, but Police shootings have been on the rise in Canada since 2000 by quite a bit. My friends son, Alvin was shot and killed by a cop here in the Vancouver area (Langley) a few years ago. Complete bullshit! – never had to happen – cops fucked up – shot the kid – lied and got off.
http://www.langleyadvance.com/news/officers-tell-of-fatal-confrontation-with-alvin-wright-1.483384
Homeless in Vancouver: Hey police…why so much killing?
http://www.straight.com/blogra/776941/homeless-vancouver-hey-policewhy-so-much-killing
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Just noticed I was off by 24 hours in this post. That’s what the graveyard shift does to people.
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From the same artist(R. Cobb) in my post…


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The corporate state is “utterly tone deaf to the destruction of the ecosystem”…
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Here’s how it works. Those in power pass some law. It doesn’t much matter how stupid or immoral the law is, it will now be enforced by people with guns: the police and the military. Or maybe some judge sets a precedent. Once again, it doesn’t matter how stupid or immoral the precedent is, it will also be enforced by people with guns. This law or precedent may be that human beings are property, that is, without rights (only responsibilities). It may be that corporations are persons, that is, with rights (and in this case, without responsibilities). It may be that corporate lies are protected free speech. It may be that corporate bribes are protected free speech. It may be that those who kill in the service of production are protected from accountability. It may be that those who destroy property “owned” by corporations face decades in prison as declared “terrorists.”
Those in power often con the rest of us into being proud of being good, defined—by them and by us—as being subservient to their laws, their edicts. They con us into forgetting—and in time we become all too eager to con ourselves into forgetting—that those in power can and usually do legalize reprehensible activities that increase their power (for example, stealing land from the indigenous, invading countries with desired resources, debasing the landbase, all done legally, because those in power declare it to be so) and criminalize non- reprehensible activities that undercut their power (soon after the most recent invasion many people were arrested in New York City for pasting up pictures of Iraqi citizens, that is, humanizing the U.S.’s current targets; consider a law proposed in the Oregon legislature mandating twenty-five year minimum sentences for doing anything that would disrupt transportation or commerce, including standing in the street during an anti-war protest [I’m not kidding]). Another way to say this is that those in power make the rules by which they maintain and extend their power. Of course. And then those in power hire goons—for when you take away the rhetoric of protecting and serving, the job of police and the military boils down to being muscle to enforce the edicts of those in power—to keep people in line.
When we forget that the edicts of those in power are merely the edicts of those in power, we lend these edicts a moral weight they do not deserve. Those in power (usually the rich) declare that those in power may under certain circumstances kill those not in power (most often the poor), and the rest of us forget they’re doing no more than using their power to get away with murder. Those in power declare that those in power may under certain circumstances devastate the landbases—oh, sorry, “develop the natural resources”—of distant communities, and the rest of us forget they’re doing no more than using their power to get away with murdering communities and murdering the earth. Those in power declare that those in power may under certain circumstances destroy entire peoples, and the rest of us forget they’re doing no more than using their power to get away with genocide.
Many of us do not effectively oppose the actions of the government that occupies our landbase because we’re afraid of the consequences, afraid of being killed or imprisoned. That fear is, I think, one reason I have not yet taken out any dams. I am ashamed to admit that, but it is true.
If our fear drives us away from effective action, we should at least have the honor to not make a virtue of this cowardice. So often we pretend that to be a law-abiding citizen is to be a moral human being. Or we pretend the following is a position of moral superiority: to be under all circumstances opposed to all forms of violence (except, of course, that we do not seem to so much mind when it comes to using resources stolen by force from others and from the earth). Even to be opposed to using violence to stop violence done to ourselves and those we love is considered morally tenable, even desirable (and not, oddly enough, despicable). These rationalizations are essential to the maintenance of current power structures.
– pp. 201-202 of chapter entitled A Culture of Occupation
from Endgame, Volume I: The Problem with Civilization
and yes the yugos still do not get it…most of them(family) still watch propaganda and believe the nationalism, demokratism, industrialism old anarcho wording: fuck all ism
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11-25-2014
Water War Amid Brazil Drought Leads to Fight Over Puddles
Brazil’s Jaguari reservoir has fallen to its lowest level ever, laying bare measurement posts that jut from exposed earth like a line of dominoes. The nation’s two biggest cities are fighting for what little water is left….
…The standoff in a nation with more water resources than any other country in the world portends further conflicts as the planet grows increasingly urban. One in three of the world’s 100 biggest cities is under water stress, according to The Nature Conservancy, a U.S.-based nonprofit…
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Yep. That soon come too the American West. The New Oil right there. And we’re wasting it at absurdly unsustainable rate to extract the Old Oil that will extinguish all complex life on earth. Gobble Gobble!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/30215068
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I love how in elementary school they always told you that the pilgrims and the native Americans willingly got along, and that eating a bird whose existence was lived out in pain and misery and then slaughtered only to have some oblivious American family shove stuffing into its anal cavity is somehow normal. Gotta love good old US of A.
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LOL. Hey you.
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Yep. Thanksgiving really does show America’s gluttonous appetite for animal flesh, all the while completely crushing any sort of ethical morals for animals or consideration for the health of the planet.
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Repost…
@davekimble3
The World Bank agrees with me:
A new report exploring the impact of climate change in Latin America and the Caribbean, the Middle East and North Africa, and Eastern Europe and Central Asia finds that warming of close to 1.5°C above pre-industrial times is already locked into the Earth’s atmospheric system by past and predicted greenhouse gas emissions.
And their calculations don’t take into account temperature rise after industrial aerosols fall out of the air. That would equate to an additional 1.1°C to 1.2°C rise. Thus, my calculations are correct…
2.65°C:
0.85°C(since onset of Indust Rev)
1.2°C(loss of aerosols with global dimming)
0.6°C(40-year lag time of CO2 emissions)
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Good article, but with this I disagree.
“The facts tell us it’s much too late to do anything to save ourselves, but this hopeless mindset only serves to empower those at the top who continue to profit from this corrupt and self-destructive system.”
So we are to have hope in the face of extinction so we can spit in the eyes of the elite????? Actually I think the elite use hope to enslave us. The slave is promised heaven if he is a good slave and hell if he is not or if he commits suicide. A good reincarnation if you behave and a lousy one if you don’t. In the words of Gerald Celente, those who have lost everything, loose it. When the people of the world lose hope is when the elite had better watch out….as long as you can hope for a life improvement, a better world, a little more bread, you can be controlled….when all is lost, you are free…
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We are duped and enslaved by false hope.
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Yes, so what real hope shall we hope for. That 6.5 billion people have untimely deaths, and a small remainder can return to hunter-gathering in a world contaminated by the radiation from 400 nuclear plants going Fukushima, oceans full of radiation and plastic but not fish, soil depleted, oil wells left to spew into the oceans, nuclear waste sites untended. Nice world to hope for.
I hope that in fact the enslavers live a bit longer than the rest so they can rot in the hell they are creating.
Come on Mike, you know its over. Extinction isn’t so bad once you get used to the idea. Individually we all go extinct as we are mortals. Once we are dead will it really matter if other humans remain or they all join in the peace of nothingness.
If human death is the worst thing (however inevitable) then extinction of humans is the solution. No birth, no death.
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What about the religious who welcome the collapse as signs that Jesus is coming soon? They don’t fear death, because they think it means they will enter paradise. Oh, the wonderful bliss of ignorance. You don’t have to be that smart in order to be rich, just greedy, so a lot of the enslavers are also religious.
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http://collapseofindustrialcivilization.tumblr.com/post/102290876162/america-is-the-wealthiest-nation-on-earth-but
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KC,
Gerald Celente’s quote is one of my favorites. I can’t remember where I first heard this “Be careful who you piss off.” but I think it rhymes.
At some point the have-nothings will have had enough.
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@KC
For any terrestrial organism, the two most critical physical parameters are temperature and moisture. And for any aquatic organism, it’s temperature and PH (or acidity). Humans are changing all of those factors with their massive burning of fossil fuels. We are the geoengineers of mass extinction.
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Well I learned a couple of things, but he lost me at the end when he said he was buddies with Bill Nordhaus and recommended his book. Good old Bill is the architect of the 2 degree lie.
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But he does confess in the lecture that 2 degrees was purely an arbitrary number that was used and that even one degree was too much.
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He seems like a good man and he could still honestly believe there is a chance to limit the damage. I don’t like to accuse everyone of selling hopium and/or status protecting. I do think that some of these academics are naive and do not realize how completely corrupted the political system is and lengths that powerful men will go to maintain BAU.
On a personal note, someone e-mailed me and asked me if I would be willing to be a volunteer Santa. You know your ass is getting old when they think you would make a good Santa. At first, I thought no, but changed my mind and accepted. I figure that since the little kids future will probably be a nightmare, I can spare the effort to help them dream a little.
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Pingback from blckdgrd:
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Found an interesting discussion of the Anthropocene, a term which has become something of a buzzword, but is in fact a serious proposal by geologists to delineate an “epoch of man” in the geologic record marked by faint traces of our techno-fossils, starting around the time the first subway was built in Europe in the 1800’s.
In a nutshell, the essay proposes that the geologists have inadvertently captured the zeitgeist that industrial civilization has in fact already failed, doomed to fail right from the start really, and all that’s left is the shouting.
“What Must I Do?” at the End of the World
http://woodbine1882.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/what-must-i-do-at-the-end-of-the-world/
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Thanks for this link; looks to be a very good site. I’m reading the essay now.
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The Information Age, while giving humans unprecedented insight into the world and themselves, has also ironically given them a window into the dark and fleeting future of their species. We never were gods, despite all the pretensions.
“Technofossils” – I like that.
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Thanks Mike, and if I haven’t said it before thanks for all your work on this great site.
I’m surprised the essay didn’t mention plastic. I’m fond of telling people that the only trace industrial civilization will leave in the geologic record is a thin layer of plastic.
As seen on Desdemona Despair:
TOXIC: Garbage Island – Part 1
Oh, This is Great
Humans Have Finally Ruined the Ocean
http://www.vice.com/video/toxic-garbage-island-1-of-3
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Pingback from the grand poobah of Techno-Utopianism:
I like this comment:
“I’ve been awake for some time. We’re in a race against time with our destruction— and our side’s winning.”
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding the comment, but I interpreted it to mean that humans are winning in their race to destroy themselves. This would be morbidly self-deprecating, but dead-on correct. Geoengineering the atmosphere to try and halt anthropogenic climate disruption is our last gasp, akin to a nicotine addict smoking through their tracheostomy.
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What about Feminism being hijacked by Consumerist Capitalism and the Military Industrial Complex? Modern Feminism’s biggest concern is, “climbing the corporate ladder of planet destroying corporations and passing laws for women to join combat forces in the military”. These two issues do not concern average women or men and one reason why the Democrats are out of touch and can’t make progress with Environmental or more important social issues.
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Not much kindness and compassion in this patriarchal society we live in.
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Depression is much higher amongst female bosses than male bosses, finds a new US survey of how the sexes respond to having authority at work. I think pushing against nature results in mental problems in both sexes. Authoritarianism is a mental disorder.
BTW, really great website! I visit here when I get depressed about how insane every thing seems, and reading the info here gives me comfort to know I’m not the only one who realizes that our culture is not sustainable.
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Not good for men either…
Suicide is now the single biggest cause of death in men aged 20-49 in England and Wales, with males accounting for 78 per cent of all suicides in the UK. Female suicide rates, in comparison, are declining.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11238596/A-crisis-of-masculinity-men-are-struggling-to-cope-with-life.html
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Canada, home to the suicide capital of the world
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/canada-home-to-the-suicide-capital-of-the-world/
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Six Myths About Climate Change that Liberals Rarely Question
http://transitionmilwaukee.org/profiles/blogs/six-myths-about-climate-change-that-liberals-rarely-question
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This article is right on. Agree completely.
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Good article. Thanks for the link. The last sentence of myth number three could be elaborated. The sentence is: ‘It(fossil fuels) has provided us with countless wonders, but used without limits, it is threatening all life as we know it.’
James Hansen’s studies of what that limit is is around 350 ppm atmospheric CO2.
Over that level, the Holocene ends, and the last 12,000 years of relatively stable climate comes to a close. No doubt everyone here knows that the level now is around 400ppm.
Discovering that treasure trove of energy was the icing on the cake for a civilisation which has other unavoidable, systemic flaws which guaranteed it would not have long-term sustainability. We are a dead civilisation walking.
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And unavoidable human flaws apparently built into our DNA like the urge to procreate 24/7.
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Also, the statement at the end of myth number 5 is itself a myth. We can’t escape our predicament by using less fossil fuels. The only slim hope remaining is to not use fossil fuels at all If we have a low population and a steady state economy, we still continually worsen the climate disruption problem, only at a slower rate, if we are relying on fossil fuels.
Clearly, the world is not going to stop using fossil fuels. We have assiduously constructed a bubble civilisation dependent on fossil fuels for it’s functioning. The question now is when the bubble bursts.
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The Ojibwa tribe has now been reduced to logging its ancestral homelands for dollars in the mistaken belief that this is the solution to their social problems. The free market wins once more.
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Paul, you managed to be genius, nerdy, funny, and frightening all within the same video.
Must see ‘on-the-fly’ video about our evolving and catastrophic abrupt climate change:
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Beckwith may very well be a nerd; OK he is a nerd, but he has shown as much courage and taken more chances than almost any other working scientist.
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Nerdiness is not a problem if the information is solid, and it is.
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I wish there were more with his courage. I especially admire him for challenging the scientific community to change. I kinda like the nerdiness; it’s real.
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Will non-nerds die too,in the NTHE? lol
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Great satirical video skewering both petrostate Canada’s legal assault on climate protest & apathy letting it happen…
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Apathetic is the perfect word to describe the majority of Canadians.
Mount Polley mine spill cleanup requires pressing action, says B.C. environment ministry
Tailings pond breach sent torrent of mine water and waste into several B.C. lakes, rivers and creeks in August
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/mount-polley-mine-spill-cleanup-requires-pressing-action-says-b-c-environment-ministry-1.2847474
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Compared to cutting CO2 emissions rapidly from now (safer & cheaper) geoengineering is a mad & perilous plan…
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Thanks for this ‘aside’ Mike. I’ve been discovering the myth of America – let’s be accurate and call it what it is: complete delusion – for quite some time now. From the founding fathers (what a crock of shit THAT is) to the whole sick “journey” of ‘manifest destiny’ and all that nonsense, to the fact that the U.S. government broke EVERY treaty they ever signed with the native Americans. to all the ‘great (white) business men (psychopaths) and famous inventors – it’s all been fiction. And we’re STILL peddling these lies to generation after generation via ‘edjamakashin’ and skoo -ill -books. At this point, I doubt anyone (in the rest of the reality-based world) believes any of it.
White man turned out to be a real hoot, haven’t we! A haw-haw, what’s on a tee-vee, air Mildred? En hay, pass ’em taters down-ear!
What nobody in power seems to get with Ferguson and the whole militarized cop thing – it’s not gonna last. Once the food shortages arrive, or water becomes scarce, and money becomes useless, the whole façade of ‘society’ and ‘law and order’ goes right down the drain. As it is, if you get an entire area aggravated enough, they’ll make the cops have to start fearing for their lives – especially if they have nothing to lose (no future). How’s a cop gonna go to work when they live in the same town – so people know where the cops live – and leave their family home with roaming mobs of angry people armed to the teeth and looking for revenge? Remember, the whole country is awash in guns. Shit, there’s gangs out there have at least as much firepower and a LOT more members than these town police forces – and they aren’t afraid to die because they already have no future! Attrition alone will decimate the security apparatus once the wheels come off. If the French Revolution is anything to go on, we can expect that the police will realize they’re one of us and that they’ve been used (for ‘protection’) – doing the psychopaths work for them – and turn on their former ‘masters.’
This is all just another signpost on the way to extinction. Times are getting more ‘interesting’ by the day.
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Tom, who is included in the us category? Will the Caucasian police suddenly form a fellowship with the 13% of Black Americans and all the other non white minorities? That would be a departure from the history you described. Why would blacks, latinos and anyone with middle eastern features suddenly trust them? I think it’s possible the police will side with there fellow chosen regular white brothers , but non whites will be in even greater danger when the “patriots” take up arms. Here is the latest example of white cops protecting and serving a black community. Beware – it ain’t pretty.
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Video shows Cleveland officer shooting 12-year-old Tamir Rice within seconds
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/11/26/officials-release-video-names-in-fatal-police-shooting-of-12-year-old-cleveland-boy/
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P.S.
I think Michael Snyder presents some evidence that some PTB are probably manipulating the situation to help bring about some of the conditions I described. Most likely under the assumption that they can continue to program the sheep, that run exclusively on a earlier reptilian/DOS operating system, to behave in a manner that benefits them. Redirect all that growing disappointment and anger of the formerly prosperous white middle class & working class away from the elite and their managerial class toward a different target. It’s simply an escalation of the long running divide and rule strategy. Desperate times call for desperate measures. A war against another/actual state would work too, but not enough Americans are biting right now. Wait till the next economic hit comes and the next round of suffering goes on for awhile. Then we will really hear some saber rattling and maybe the public will fervently rally round the flag. It’s all been done before.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-26/guest-post-did-they-want-more-violence-ferguson-10-coincidences-too-glaring-ignore
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THE TWENTY PREMISES
From “Endgame”, by Derrick Jensen
PREMISE ONE: Civilization is not and can never be sustainable. This is especially true for industrial civilization.
PREMISE TWO: Traditional communities do not often voluntarily give up or sell the resources on which their communities are based until their communities have been destroyed. They also do not willingly allow their landbases to be damaged so that other resources—gold, oil, and so on—can be extracted. It follows that those who want the resources will do what they can to destroy traditional communities.
PREMISE THREE: Our way of living—industrial civilization—is based on, requires, and would collapse very quickly without persistent and widespread violence.
PREMISE FOUR: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.
PREMISE FIVE: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below. It is acceptable for those above to increase the amount of property they control—in everyday language, to make money—by destroying or taking the lives of those below. This is called production. If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice.
PREMISE SIX: Civilization is not redeemable. This culture will not undergo any sort of voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living. If we do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it (civilization, and probably the planet) collapses. The effects of this degradation will continue to harm humans and nonhumans for a very long time.
PREMISE SEVEN: The longer we wait for civilization to crash—or the longer we wait before we ourselves bring it down—the messier the crash will be, and the worse things will be for those humans and nonhumans who live during it, and for those who come after.
PREMISE EIGHT: The needs of the natural world are more important than the needs of the economic system.
Another way to put Premise Eight: Any economic or social system that does not benefit the natural communities on which it is based is unsustainable, immoral, and stupid. Sustainability, morality, and intelligence (as well as justice) require the dismantling of any such economic or social system, or at the very least disallowing it from damaging your landbase.
PREMISE NINE: Although there will clearly someday be far fewer humans than there are at present, there are many ways this reduction in population may occur (or be achieved, depending on the passivity or activity with which we choose to approach this transformation). Some will be characterized by extreme violence and privation: nuclear Armageddon, for example, would reduce both population and consumption, yet do so horrifically; the same would be true for a continuation of overshoot, followed by a crash. Other ways could be characterized by less violence. Given the current levels of violence by this culture against both humans and the natural world, however, it’s not possible to speak of reductions in population and consumption that do not involve violence and privation, not because the reductions themselves would necessarily involve violence, but because violence and privation have become the default of our culture. Yet some ways of reducing population and consumption, while still violent, would consist of decreasing the current levels of violence—required and caused by the (often forced) movement of resources from the poor to the rich—and would of course be marked by a reduction in current violence against the natural world. Personally and collectively we may be able to both reduce the amount and soften the character of violence that occurs during this ongoing and perhaps long term shift. Or we may not. But this much is certain: if we do not approach it actively—if we do not talk about our predicament and what we are going to do about it—the violence will almost undoubtedly be far more severe, the privation more extreme.
PREMISE TEN: The culture as a whole and most of its members are insane. The culture is driven by a death urge, an urge to destroy life.
PREMISE ELEVEN: From the beginning, this culture—civilization—has been a culture of occupation.
PREMISE TWELVE: There are no rich people in the world, and there are no poor people. There are just people. The rich may have lots of pieces of green paper that many pretend are worth something—or their presumed riches may be even more abstract: numbers on hard drives at banks—and the poor may not. These “rich” claim they own land, and the “poor” are often denied the right to make that same claim. A primary purpose of the police is to enforce the delusions of those with lots of pieces of green paper. Those without the green papers generally buy into these delusions almost as quickly and completely as those with. These delusions carry with them extreme consequences in the real world.
PREMISE THIRTEEN: Those in power rule by force, and the sooner we break ourselves of illusions to the contrary, the sooner we can at least begin to make reasonable decisions about whether, when, and how we are going to resist.
PREMISE FOURTEEN: From birth on—and probably from conception, but I’m not sure how I’d make the case—we are individually and collectively enculturated to hate life, hate the natural world, hate the wild, hate wild animals, hate women, hate children, hate our bodies, hate and fear our emotions, hate ourselves.
If we did not hate the world, we could not allow it to be destroyed before our eyes. If we did not hate ourselves, we could not allow our homes—and our bodies—to be poisoned.
PREMISE FIFTEEN: Love does not imply pacifism.
PREMISE SIXTEEN: The material world is primary. This does not mean that the spirit does not exist, nor that the material world is all there is. It means that spirit mixes with flesh. It means also that real world actions have real world consequences. It means we cannot rely on Jesus, Santa Claus, the Great Mother, or even the Easter Bunny to get us out of this mess. It means this mess really is a mess, and not just the movement of God’s eyebrows. It means we have to face this mess ourselves. It means that for the time we are here on Earth—whether or not we end up somewhere else after we die, and whether we are condemned premises or privileged to live here—the Earth is the point. It is primary. It is our home. It is everything. It is silly to think or act or be as though this world is not real and primary. It is silly and pathetic to not live our lives as though our lives are real.
PREMISE SEVENTEEN: It is a mistake (or more likely, denial) to base our decisions on whether actions arising from them will or won’t frighten fence-sitters, or the mass of Americans.
PREMISE EIGHTEEN: Our current sense of self is no more sustainable than our current use of energy or technology.
PREMISE NINETEEN: The culture’s problem lies above all in the belief that controlling and abusing the natural world is justifiable.
PREMISE TWENTY: Within this culture, economics—not community well being, not morals, not ethics, not justice, not life itself—drives social decisions.
Modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are determined primarily (and often exclusively) on the basis of whether these decisions will increase the monetary fortunes of the decision-makers and those they serve.
Re-modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are determined primarily (and often exclusively) on the basis of whether these decisions will increase the power of the decision-makers and those they serve.
Re-modification of Premise Twenty: Social decisions are founded primarily (and often exclusively) on the almost entirely unexamined belief that the decision-makers and those they serve are entitled to magnify their power and/or financial fortunes at the expense of those below.
Re-modification of Premise Twenty: If you dig to the heart of it—if there is any heart left—you will find that social decisions are determined primarily on the basis of how well these decisions serve the ends of controlling or destroying wild nature.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Consummatum est
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Can’t find much to disagree with there, but once we create and deploy the technological enzymes, co-enzymes and match them with our fossil fuel ATP, the digestion of the planet’s thin surface becomes inevitable. There’s not a resource gradient we can’t attack with our ingenuity to feed an appetite that was never meant to be sated. I’m pretty sure also that appreciating the complexity of nature, thinking about complexity and engineering new tools is a dopamine linked activity. We’ve been led to do what we’re doing in so many ways, each body part modified to facilitate tool creation and use. Turn one way and take a cellular, reductionist view and then turn around 180 degrees and observe technology and human civilization and you almost have a mirror image, but human participants are functioning and very few are observing. I would bet that not one of the professors at MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, and others, have an awareness of what’s really going on here, on this planet, they just function within the bounds of their specialties, tightly bonded to their respective disciplines and technologies. Should one possess it, is sharing a broader awareness even wise when it would likely only inflame the animal passions of a great majority of humans that question the value of higher reasoning? Or am I underestimating the average man?
Humans certainly have provided the catalytic activity to change the chemical composition of the biosphere and it appears that these reactions will run to new equilibria with as little awareness as the reactants in a chemical titration. This tribal, competitive ape is having such a good time consuming the planet within the confines of its anachronistic brain structures, that it’s likely it never will achieve the control necessary to escape its own terminal trajectory.
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It probably is not wise, but the desire to do so is perfectly understandable. I’m grateful that there is an online doomer community or whatever to discuss, learn and vent with, but I do not know a single person in the real world to have brutally honest discussion with about our predicaments. It makes for a surreal existence. I don’t think anyone can have a broader awareness until they have examined themselves first.
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Apeman has a tool fetish and the next development of it includes the application of geo-engineering duct tape. These efforts will invariably prove futile as unintended consequences arise and the complex biospheric systems of Earth continue to unravel.
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Yes. Geoengineering is another layer of insanity fraught with unknowns.It cannot stop the increasing acidification of the oceans.The best book I’ve seen to analyze the craziness in detail is ‘Earthmasters’ by Clive Hamilton. Our progress trap seems to be escape proof, unfortunately.
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It’s very sad that so many people are so preoccupied with the manifold “issues” confronting us today that they fail to see and address their source: industrial civilisation.
Acculturation to the compartmentalised nature of industrialised civilisation makes it extremely difficult for its individual members to comprehend its inherently mortiferous nature. The forest cannot be seen for the trees as it were. People just don’t see the big picture. They are consumed with their own pet issues, their specialised functions and their own self-interest. They are incapable of taking a holistic viewpoint.
Just my opinion
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There is a saying about your salary dictates your understanding of things. I’m just a wanna be artist/housewife and I get it. But I have to keep my opinion to myself, because I live in a rural area in the Buckle of the Bible Belt. If you say or do anything that shows you are an environmentalist, people look at you strange. I’ve had grocery clerks make snide comments because I use reusable bags. The only way I know to cope with what I understand is try not to fear death and to think that the Earth is just one of billions of other planets, even though I think there is something sacred about our home planet.
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That saying was invented and promoted by an army of salaried ass kissing conformists who don’t know shit. AKA- most of society. I lived in Georgia for a number of years, so I have seen the attitude but probably not as bad as you since I’m 6 foot, 230lbs and not shy. Don’t let em get you down Louise.
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Lived there myself as a child — Valdosta.
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I can’t post a link with his tablet,but some here might find Clive Hamilton’s essay
‘Will China save the world or destroy it?’ interesting.
See clivehamilton.com
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David, if you get any of that mutant hail in your area make sure to duck & cover.
http://clivehamilton.com/will-china-save-the-world-or-destroy-it/
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Thanks, Apneaman. We’re near Ravenshoe in north Qld, so a long way from that storm in Brisbane. Looked pretty severe.I might invest in a hard hat.
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The ideas put forth by Jay Hanson are spot on. Not only will we collapse, we’ll pick ourselves up and proceed to collapse again. And it is about power, from the fascination and desire for the power of a Harry Potter magic wand to vanquish your competitors to the powerless citizen buying guns or pit bulls in an attempt to gain some amount of power over lives that are powerless. You’ve probably noticed that any coalition of more than three people is quickly suppressed by the government and their lapdog media, if not by pepper spray. Any collection of weapons and ammo greater than needed personally is investigated by ATF and results in your door being broken in. There never will be a “people power” that can gain traction when the democratic process is controlled. What a master stroke to put a black boy, “hope and change” for the masses, into power, when he actually represented the financial district. That’s a wolf in black sheep’s clothing or like putting a black in charge of the slaves on a plantation and finding out that the row you have to hoe has not gotten smaller but has been multiplied by two. Same with Bill Clinton, po boy from Arkansas, now gets hundreds of thousands for “speeches”. How about the first woman in the presidency, now there’s some hope and change, not. (That reminds me of that Burroughs clip with the evil, mean, pinch-faced women. God help us.)
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Here is a piece that points out how team Hollywood is hard at work helping to prime the liberal sheep for team Hillary in 2016. I hope she wins just for the sheer entertainment value of listening to the right go completely ape shit.
The White Women of Empire
http://wrongkindofgreen.org/2014/11/28/the-white-women-of-empire/
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James, you have identified the key problem in the path of further human evolution: development of higher consciousness. By that term I do not mean some transcendent spiritual awakening; that is rare at this time, and hardly to be relied on for deliverance from the almost certain doom we are unconsciously embracing. Ironically, the solution we need is in a better functioning of the very intelligence that has landed us in this crisis. What is needed now is to use our intelligence reflexively to develop control of our minds and behavior from the higher centers within our brains that we are currently not using effectively. To accomplish this task with the multitudes will not be possible in the time remaining to us. If however we can affect enough of those capable of influencing the direction of society, it would perhaps be enough to stem the tide of madness. In my view this re-education effort is the only option open to us at this late hour. That it seems almost impossible to pull off is an unfortunate truth of the present situation. We are not without precedents and promising directions to move forward with this, but it will of course never happen unless enough people see the necessity of it. Finding those people is the first step…
I work with people who I try to help deal with their substance addictions. It can be very frustrating to observe them avoiding and denying the simple available solutions to their difficulties. Over time one comes to realize that their blindness and denial is an intrinsic part of the addictive process. When one is faced with an entire culture deep in addictions of every variety you have the individual problem writ large. How do you get people to face the truth when their whole lives are based on lies and fantasies? And yet we have to try – it’s the only game in town, and you can bet your life on that!
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Are former heavy substance abusers who are now clean, law abiding, heavily indebted mass consumers truly recovered? If you are now a gadget junkie who’s bimonthly fix of brand new e-stuffs requires armies of African parents and their children to work hip deep in toxic mud to mine the Coltan for your new dopamine delivery devices, what has changed? There is still a trail of victims in your wake except this time they are someone elses family. There will be no great awaking for consumer society. We are like IV drug users who, from are own actions, have contracted aids; it’s too late for AZT. We are simply waiting for the cascade of the consequences to arrive.
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I agree Apneaman. Recovery from substance abuse is just the tip of the tentacles of societal addiction. A deeper process needs to be engaged to deconstruct the false persona we are initiated into from birth. And few are they who dare to enter that self-deconstruction. The easier and softer way of conformity and pursuing what indulgences are available trumps the hard path of self-inquisition required to birth a new self beyond society’s conditioning. Few are called to do this, and fewer yet continue to put up with the ostracism and general contempt the zombies spew on them. Not to mention the torments reserved for them should they challenge the psychopaths who currently rule this ugly realm. The few who see what is really happening are in a very poor position to do anything about it. Nevertheless some of us continue to writhe around trying to shed our chains of delusion, and even to find ways to free others if they would only allow us…
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Surviving over 15 years of reckless heavy drinking with ever increasing IV drug use tacked on to the last 5 years for good measure, I think I’m somewhat qualified on denial. I’m sure your aware that the planing, ritual and using takes up every waking moment of any serious addicts life and without filling that time with meaningful and/or enjoyable activities, there is no sobriety. I just can’t see billions of happy consumers giving it up to take up a life of farming and craftsmanship for any reason no matter how bad things get. I don’t say that to discourage you or anyone who is following their conscious. Please believe me, I have diligently searched for every loophole and wish I had come to a different conclusion.
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WATCH | The Nonprofit Industrial Complex: an Accessory to the Crime of Capitalism
“Perhaps one of the most advanced mechanisms by which the ruling class maintains the status quo is the manipulative and ever so infamous Nonprofit Industrial Complex. This is an intricate system involving relationships between the Ruling Class, State bureaucracy, Social Service and Social Justice Organizations. The purpose of this complex is to create an accommodation to capitalism, though they’re known for tackling the effects of policies under the system that create the problems in the first place, attacking the symptoms of the disease rather than the disease itself. Though not all nonprofits fall victim to this accommodation, many of them exist solely for self-perpetuation, in which the organizations fashion themselves to only mitigate the problem that needs solving, rather than eliminate it in order to justify their existence.”
http://wrongkindofgreen.org/2014/11/28/watch-the-nonprofit-industrial-complex-an-accessory-to-the-crime-of-capitalism/
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It’s true that my posts and ideas have more the quality of daydreams or science fiction fantasies. What’s one to do having fully acknowledged the reality of our collective failure in this human experiment, and the certainty that our ultimate demise will be horrible beyond belief? The deep impact of this knowledge, this knowing of the ghastly failure of all our fond dreams of beauty and love and higher truths being doomed to disappear in a final holocaust of our own vanities and cruelties and stupidities has been shattering to whatever worldview I had scrabbled together for myself.
I believe that love is the ultimate value, meaning, and purpose of life. And I will continue to believe in, worship, and try to serve that no matter what, right through the ending of my earthly life.
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I Also believe that an awakening of real love for each other and our beautiful planet is the only real key to our survival in any worthwhile sense. The ultimate tragedy will be when we fail to realize and embrace this understanding.
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For a long time I have felt that Feminism was a way for the ruling class to control women and get more workers to lower wages. Sherlyl Sandberg’s Lean-In is just more corporate propaganda. Ms. Magazine when it first came out didn’t have ads, who was funding it? I might be a conspiracy nut, but Google Feminism and Capitalism. I’m just disappointed the movement pushes climbing the corporate ladder and combat roles for women when there are so many environmental and social issues that are more important.
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Also, women are the ones who buy the marjority of the junk corporations produce. Women have advanced from being domestic servants to corporate, consumerist slaves.
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Indian jihadist ‘kills 55 for ISIS, quits because no pay’
“An Islamic State recruit from Greater Mumbai was intercepted in Turkey, and then interrogated and arrested by India’s secret service. Suspected of killing up to 55 people, he allegedly left because they didn’t pay enough, India’s media reported.”
http://rt.com/news/210091-isis-india-recruit-quit-arrested/
You know that income inequality is really getting out of hand when even young jihadist’s are doing unpaid internships. Poor kid. Working his ass off doing beheadings 12 hrs a day and he still lives in his parents’s basement. Down with the 1% jihadist’s!
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This should spark a disgruntled youth jihadist movement in Mecca.
“Occupy Kaaba”
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…”But define sanity? I like the sentiment but the majority of the population is deemed sane, whilst swallowing tripe, living a structured oppressed life, whose interests and ideas are influenced and driven by current media trends. But never the less remain happy. Basically I wish I was a happy idiot because consciousness is a real drag!” ~ Alex Paxton
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And so I bring to you my newest product, “Easy-Believe”, in eight exciting colors, guaranteed to release the most soul-nourishing dopamine flavors into the furthest reaches of your brain. Eat them, suck on them, give them to your children. They’ll never let you down, ever. My personal favorite is black ponzi. Just take a pen in your hand and sign on the dotted line, everyone’s doing it and everyone’s a winner. For a limited time only buy two or more flavors at half the price and feel your worries melt away. Our newest flavor, techno-utopia, comes in Apple green, guaranteed to satisfy your most futuristic longings. Don’t let extinction sadness overwhelm you. And for those needing an extra lift we offer white Soma, our only Easy-Believe (Tm) product that doesn’t require you to believe anything at all. Visa and Mastercard accepted.
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We just had a huge earthquake here. House felt like it was going to collapse.
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…The longest fault in Northern Arizona is the Anderson Mesa Fault near Mormon Lake. Professor Brumbaugh says it is more than 20 miles long and the north end reaches almost to Interstate 40, into Flagstaff’s city limits.
“If, in the worst case scenario, the whole fault moved, it could conceivably produce an event as large as about 6.9. That would mean a tremendous amount of damage in Flagstaff,” he said. “We’re talking about roads disrupted, water lines out, maybe disruption of power such as electricity, some buildings collapsed, several hundred injuries and there might be as many as 14 deaths.”…
http://www.flagstaffbusinessnews.com/could-flagstaff-be-rocked-geologists-watching-for-earthquake-activity-officials-planning-for-action/
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God Damn Frackers!
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Into the pervasive doom and gloom let me toss this:
Rows and flows of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons everywhere,
I’ve looked at clouds that way.
But now they only block the sun,
They rain and snow on everyone
So many things I would have done,
But clouds got in my way.
I’ve looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down and still somehow
It’s cloud’s illusions I recall
I really don’t know clouds at all
Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels,
The dizzy dancing way that you feel
As every fairy tale comes real,
I’ve looked at love that way.
But now it’s just another show,
You leave ’em laughing when you go
And if you care, don’t let them know,
Don’t give yourself away.
I’ve looked at love from both sides now
From give and take and still somehow
It’s love’s illusions I recall
I really don’t know love at all
Tears and fears and feeling proud,
To say “I love you” right out loud
Dreams and schemes and circus crowds,
I’ve looked at life that way.
Oh but now old friends they’re acting strange,
They shake their heads, they say I’ve changed
Well something’s lost, but something’s gained
In living every day.
I’ve looked at life from both sides now
From win and lose and still somehow
It’s life’s illusions I recall
I really don’t know life at all
I’ve looked at life from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It’s life’s illusions I recall
I really don’t know life at all
Joni Mitchell
Innocence, truth, and beauty. Somehow her song reveals something precious that helps me keep going.
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The debate on whether so-called “renewable energy” can power our present set of living arrangements will rage on as we slide down the net energy cliff. Part of the problem is that the debate over “renewable energies” is couched in semantics that are misleading as described in the following article by Steven Smith, …
The pressure is on to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to slow climate change. The way proposed by most people is to switch away from fossil fuels to alternatives such as wind, solar, tidal and geothermal. Such alternative energy sources are often described as ‘renewable’ or ‘sustainable’. This terminology implies to most people that such alternatives can meet our energy demands in perpetuity, without polluting the environment. This is wrong, and will lead to serious errors in policy making.
Energy generated for human use cannot be ‘green’, ‘clean’, ‘renewable’ or ‘sustainable’. These words are all part of the ‘greenwashing’ or ‘sugar-coating’ vocabulary used for the benefit of corporate or political interests, or simply words of misunderstanding. They have no foundation in rigorous scientific language or thought.
Put simply the Earth can be considered as an open thermodynamic system in terms of energy but a closed system as far as matter is concerned. The sun continues to radiate energy to the Earth, and energy is re-radiated to space, more-or-less at the same rate. Over a very long period of time (many millions of years) there is a progressive increase in entropy and a net loss of energy from the Earth to the rest of the universe but this natural process is not significant on time scales relevant to humans.
However, humans increasingly wish to convert solar radiation into different forms of energy such as electricity or fuel, that can do work. This can only be achieved by creating devices or machines to convert one form of energy into another and the resources for those devices come from the Earth’s crust. Those devices have a finite life span and depend on yet further infrastructure (transport, cities, factories, universities, police, etc.) to maintain and operate them, which in turn has a finite life span. Continued mining, refining and manufacturing is required.
The amount of energy captured from the sun by such devices can never be enough to restore the Earth to its original condition. This is determined by the second law of thermodynamics. So the process of mining, building and manufacturing, to convert and use energy, inexorably depletes and degrades the Earth’s mineral resources. It is irreversible and unsustainable. It makes no difference whether we consider solar, wind, hydro, coal, bio, nuclear or geothermal energy. They are all unsustainable according to the laws of physics.
The second law of thermodynamics also tells us that we cannot completely recycle resources that have been extracted from the Earth and refined for use (such as metals, helium or phosphate fertiliser). The greater the percentage we try to recycle, so the energy cost increases disproportionately. So whether the resources that we want to use are still in the ground or are in circulation above ground, human industry will inevitably dissipate and lose those resources.
The more people we have on the planet, and the more energy we use, the faster and more extensive is the degradation of Earth’s resources. Humanity is like a huge organic machine, using energy to mine and deplete minerals. The more energy that is put into the system, the faster the degradation occurs. Nuclear fusion energy, if it comes to be, might be particularly efficient at degrading our resources and environment (one effect of such technology may be to convert our lithium reserves into helium which will escape the Earths atmosphere and be lost forever).
Energy for human use is as unsustainable and non-renewable as mining. So to talk about ‘renewable energy’ or ‘sustainable energy’ is an oxymoron, as is ‘sustainable mining’ or ‘sustainable development’. The more energy we use, the less sustainable is humanity. The sooner that people realise this, the sooner we can embark on the process of reducing energy consumption, rather than clutching at the straws of alternative energy sources to perpetuate the unsustainable.
In subsequent posts I will show that resource limitations are just decades away, not centuries, and that the scramble for resources will increase demand for fossil fuel energy.
To which the author of Green Illusions, Ozzie Zehner, replied on twitter yesterday…
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Interesting.Thanks Mike.The comments are interesting ,(still reading them.)
Steven is not correct in comment number two when he states that the plants are increasing the entropy of the Earth. The important point to remember is that the Sun-Earth system has to be considered in it’s entirety.
The local decrease of entropy (increase of order)which the growth of plants is, is only possible because of the energy being supplied to the Earth by the Sun.
But that energy supply is accompanied by an increase of entropy in the Sun, as the energy is released by the nuclear reactions there. The system as a whole has an increase of entropy, despite the fact that there is a local(on Earth) decrease of entropy.
I’m not an expert on this, but I’m pretty sure that the above is correct.
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You and Steve are both correct…
“…Life can at the same time both cause an immediate, local increase in entropy and a long term slowing in the growth of entropy.” – link
I believe this as fact:
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For the record, here is what Steve said:…
I am aware that there are problems applying simple thermodynamic principles to the Earth system that is not in a steady state, and some of my chemistry colleagues have warned me against doing this, but nevertheless agree that the message that I convey is correct. I find that some people prefer common sense arguments while others expect a theoretical case. So I try to use both.
The question of negative entropy and plant growth is challenging. However I am satisfied that plants obey the 2nd law. Plant growth contributes to an increase in the entropy of Earth, by making a major contribution to global water cycles, heat transfer and weather patterns. This reference addresses this point although there will be more useful references out there.
Click to access npre20105463-1.pdf
An individual plant appears to contravene the 2nd law but most people overlook the relatively massive transpiration of water. A plant appears to represent order created out of disorder, but the environment that sustains the plant undergoes a greater degree of disorder (increase in entropy). Same as a washing machine.
Plant growth contributes to the ongoing increase in entropy of the planet but since land plants have been around for 400 m yr or so, the Earth apparently copes well, and plants continue to adapt to the very slow rate of change of the biosphere.
What is different is the challenge created by billions of humans demanding materialistic lives, in the last few decades.
I return to common sense arguments to say that recycling 100% of all our materials is impossible. Can you imagine a world without mining?
Many people argue with what I say, I think, because they cannot cope with the reality of what I point out. They come back to the argument that the Sun will shine for 5 b years and produce more energy than we can possible want, so surely there is not a problem. Well the truth is even more ‘inconvenient’ than the ‘inconvenience’ of global warming. We will rapidly run out of resources to make use of all that solar energy.
Steve Smith
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This about entropy is quite true, and similar to stuff I was pondering years ago, for instance, you see people running around building things, working against “disorder” to create “order”…but underneath the process of taking oil molecules from under Saudi Arabia and putting them in the skies over Detroit, and moving banana molecules from Costa Rica to Sweden, etc. is overall a far more dissipative process. Even the sheer movement of people over the face of the planet is not much different from molecules moving around faster when heated in a beaker…
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And Steve’s other comment worth saving here:
I accept that my article can be seen as unconstructive but it is meant to be the opposite and I will address this below.
The information that you provide on uranium is useful. Can you tell us whether the supplies of uranium you refer to are ‘reserves’, ‘resources’, or the total amount in the earth’s crust? A reference would be great.
However, it does not change my argument. We all know that there are huge amounts of energy in solar radiation, geothermal, wind, wave and uranium-fueled nuclear energy. The problem is making use of it.
The constraint in the system is not the magnitude of the energy source but the resources to convert that energy into work.
The use of any energy, whether coal or nuclear, achieves the net dissipation of our finite resources. I have watched the process in action for most of the last 6 decades during which time fossil fuels have been used to extract and refine resources for consumption by us humans. Switching to a different source of energy will not change that.
What is different today is that some resources are running particularly low, and require greater amounts of energy to find and refine them. So they are becoming more expensive. Which in turn makes energy generation (or work) more expensive.
Everyone can see this happening. It is exactly what the laws of physics tell us will happen. We have probably hit peak production for some metals already. And peak metals will translate into peak useful energy. While we can do a better job of recycling of some resources in the future, it will become increasingly more expensive.
I am mainly arguing against using the misleading terms of ‘renewable’ or ‘sustainable’ energy because they give people false expectations. By all means talk about alternative energy or future energy, but we must realize that reduced consumption of resources and energy is inevitable, which means a change in lifestyle and values.
A less materialistic and consumptive lifestyle could be a great improvement in my opinion, with the potential to improve the quality of people’s lives. The dream of ‘renewable’ energy feeds the insatiable and unsustainable appetites of humans, in my opinion. And currently this means continuing to make demands on fossil fuel consumption with consequent negative impact on climate change.
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Barry Brook suffers from tunnel vision. He thinks that the several systemic flaws of industrial civilisation will be solved by using nuclear energy to allow a never ending consumption spree.
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As do nearly all so-called “renewable energy” proponents.
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If you’re like me and you’re looking to kill some quality time before civilization kills us all, check out theses 5 lectures from 10 years ago.
The 2004 CBC Massey Lectures, “A Short History of Progress”
In A Short History of Progress Ronald Wright argues that our modern predicament is as old as civilization, a 10,000-year experiment we have participated in but seldom controlled. Only by understanding the patterns of triumph and disaster that humanity has repeated around the world since the Stone Age, can we recognize the experiment’s inherent dangers, and, with luck and wisdom, shape its outcome.
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/massey-archives/2004/11/07/massey-lectures-2004-a-short-history-of-progress/
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Thanks ,Apneaman.I recently reread his book,which is a compilation of he lectures,so I probably won’t listen to these at present,but I agree that it is worth listening to .
I remember that there are a couple of mistakes.For instance, at one point he states that if we used fossil fuels more slowly,we would avoid the disastrous effects of climate disruption.No doubt everyone here knows that that is incorrect.
Even if we had a low population and a steady state economy,(which some people think is the cure for the systemic flaws of industrial civilisation),we would still continuously worsen the climate problem if we kept burning fossil fuels.
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Your welcome David. Are there any similar radio programs from Australian broadcasters? Good guests with extended interviews/discussions.
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Quote of the day on Japan’s techno-utopian wet dream of building underwater cities to “‘capitaliseon the infinite possibilities of the deep sea’ to accommodate human life, as rising sea levels endanger the survival of island communities.“…
“It is worth remembering Fukushima and the recent TEPCO announcement that they have literally no control of the overflow (directly back into the sea) from the central core’s cooling chamber of at least one of their four reactors.
It is also noteworthy that the radioactive water long term storage tanks from the reactor coolers are deteriorating at an unanticipated and accelerated pace leaving plant operators without adequate time to prepare new storage tanks.
That means the ocean topography that remains within healthy levels for habitation is greatly reduced if not altogether eliminated, it suggests to me that this story is ill considered or false.
Anyone with the will to live healthily should avoid Japanese waters for a few thousand years.”
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Apneaman,
Kevin Anderson endorsed the article you posted a few days ago. I would put Robert Scribbler into the camp of techno-optimists…
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I posted the article on Scribbler’s site first. I genuinely thought some of his readers would find it to be informative and thought provoking. Robert seemed especially provoked.
http://robertscribbler.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/big-arctic-warm-up-to-drive-freak-thanksgiving-snowstorm-for-us-east-coast/#comment-27973
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I’m open to new technologies, but by all accounts, Einstein has been proven exceedingly prescient…
“It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.”
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Telephone land line and a simple 2 slice toaster have been the most reliable technologies in my experience.
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Low wattage, high lumen LED lights… worth the money.
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The Temptation of The Technofix (The Quest for “New Nature”)
“We hear a group of speakers from a conference on “Techno-Utopianism & the Fate of the Earth” organized last month by the International Forum on Globalization. A range of speakers offer perspectives on humanity’s efforts to improve on nature, including critical looks at GM, synthetic biology, nanotechnology and electrosmog. Geoengineering, as we hear, is setting a new precedent – a technology designed not to improve life on earth but to mitigate the effects of older technologies. All the speakers are drawn from the afternoon session of the conference organized on October 25, 2014. The first speaker is Professor Clive Hamilton, from whom we heard about the dangers of geoengineering back in episode 663. Next we hear from a new speaker to the show, Pat Mooney, on the promise and dangers of nano technology and its almost complete lack of regulation. Next is Debbie Barker from the Center for Food Safety on the failure of GM. She makes the point that while GM has singularly failed to live up to its promises as regards better yield and improved health of its consumers, it may nevertheless prove successful as a commercial enterprise for the GM companies. Next, we introduce a new speaker and a new topic to the show; we hear Jim Thomas who focuses on synthetic biology, which has been called “extreme genetic engineering”. He concludes with a report of a breakthrough agreement on this hitherto largely unregulated area. Andy Kimbrell on genetic redesign of human beings. We conclude with Katy Singer on the still poorly understood but disturbing dangers of electromagnetic radiation. The pattern of carry out only token efforts to investigate potential health hazards is a disturbing one.”
http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/701
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This is a great website…
http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/UNWELCOME_GUESTS
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I second that. I’ve been following it for years and years. I still miss the original host of the show, was sorry when she left around the 10th anniversary of the show. Her replacement, who teaches English, has too much hope about our being able to turn this ship around.
However, for anyone really wanting an education that show is the place to go. A plethora of topics and issues addressed by a myriad of people across a wide spectrum. I send people there all the time and even suggest they forgo “college” and use the site as their base of learning. It’s much less expensive and could actually lead to developing a mind that is capable of critical thinking.
So much to choose from and I’d recommend starting with shows featuring Thomas Linzey.
For those with children this might be a great place to start developing a real relationship. Listen to the show together, or apart and then have discussions about the topics. Hey, you’ll both be teacher and student, learning from each other.
Might even be able to get some of those offspring away from the financial industry before oil prices sink so low that this time (as opposed to the myths of the 29 crash) where we actually see bodies crashing through windows (that don’t open in modern buildings) littering the sidewalks of New York. There might even be some jobs opening for street sweepers (like the guy at the opening of Mr. Peabody and Sherman segments).
Anyone taking notice of the situation regarding Bill Cosb? Women keep coming out of the woodwork. Watching a society in collapse isn’t fun. Like Rome in the time of Caligula. A sign of the hidden world behind celebrity. Cosby, Al Capp, Joan Crawford, Bette Davis, Shirley McClaine, Fatty Arbuckle, etc., etc. A whole society taking the blue pill confusing what’s an illusion with what’s real.
Hey, how about some up beat music. Just came across the story of the Cowsills. Do any of you remember them? The real life source for the Partridge Family. What a case study in dysfunction. 7, count them 7 offspring. Military, alcoholic, sexual predator father. Children having children.
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