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Author: ulvfugl
“A man is like a novel: until the very last page you don’t know how it will end. Otherwise it wouldn’t be worth reading.” ~ Yevgeny Zamyatin, We.
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Everything is going to go.
The End.
Let’s look back, where it started.
The Beginning…
The Sumerians, formerly hunters and gatherers, began settling in villages in the fertile valley of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in the period from 8000 to 7500 B.C.
According to the theory of Denise Schmandt-Besserat, this is how writing began:
Archaeological studies of the period show evidence of grain cultivation in fields surrounding villages, the construction of communal silos for storing grain, and a rapid increase in population. In such a setting, individual farmers needed a reliable way to keep track of their goods, especially the amount of grain stored in shared facilities.
It seems they did it by maintaining stocks of baked-clay tokens—one token for each item, different shapes for different types of items. A marble-sized clay sphere stood for a bushel of grain, a cylinder for an animal, an egg-shaped token for a jar of oil. There were as many tokens, or counters, of a certain shape as there were of that item in the farmer’s store.
Thus, tokens could be lined up in front of accountants, who doubtless organized them according to types of goods and transactions. They could even be arranged in visual patterns to make estimation and counting easier.
This simple system of data storage persisted practically unchanged for almost 4,000 years, spreading over a large geographic area. Eventually, the growth of villages into cities and the increasing complexity of human activities, especially in southern Mesopotamia, forced a shift to a more versatile means of record keeping. This shift was marked by the appearance of elaborate tokens alongside the well-established system of simple counters. Though similar in size, material, and color and fabricated in much the same way as their plainer cousins, the new tokens bore surface markings and showed a greater variety of shapes.
The elaborate tokens were apparently used for manufactured products—the output of Sumerian workshops. Incised cones and rhomboids probably represented loaves of bread and vessels of beer. Disks and parabolic tokens marked with lines signified different types of fibers, cloths, and finished garments. Incised cylinders and rectangles stood for ropes and mats. Other tokens seem to have represented luxury goods, including perfumes and various kinds of metalwork.
The advent of complex tokens coincided with the emergence of powerful central governments and the construction of monuments and great temples, beginning around 3350 B.C. Art from that period shows the rise of a governing elite and the pooling of community resources for celebrating large festivals. The token system, extended to cover goods and services, played a key role in managing massive building projects and orchestrating large public events.
Temple excavations reveal that the Sumerians often kept sets of tokens in clay globes, or envelopes. Temple clerks marked the envelopes by pressing tokens into the soft clay before sealing and baking them, making visible the number and shape of tokens enclosed. Excavated specimens show circular imprints left by spheres and wedge-shaped imprints left by cones.
Once sealed in their clay cocoons, the tokens were hidden from view. It didn’t take long for busy bureaucrats to realize that once the clay envelopes were marked, it was no longer necessary to keep the tokens. In fact, the marks by themselves, impressed on a clay tablet, were sufficient.
Complex tokens couldn’t be stored in clay envelopes as conveniently as simple counters because they often left indecipherable impressions. Instead, perforations allowed such tokens to be strung together, with special clay tags apparently identifying the accounts. In this case, the shortcut that the bureaucrats discovered was to inscribe the incised pattern found on the surface of a complex token directly onto a clay tablet. For example, they could replace an incised ovoid token with a neatly drawn oval with a slash across it.
The result was a practical, convenient data storage system. A small set of clay tablets with neatly aligned signs was much easier to handle than an equivalent collection of loose tokens, and using a stylus for marking clay tablets was a lot faster than making an impression of every token.
Around 3100 B.C., someone had the bright idea that instead of representing, say, 33 jars of oil by repeating the symbol for one jar 33 times, it would be simpler to precede the symbol for a jar of oil by numerals—special signs expressing numbers. Moreover, the same signs could be used to represent the same quantity of any item.
The signs chosen for this new role were the symbols for the two basic measures of grain. The impressed wedge (cone) came to stand for 1 and the impressed circle (sphere) for 10.
In this way, the token system evolved into a kind of shorthand in which signs representing standard measures of grain, impressed on a clay tablet, came to represent not grain or any other specific commodity, but the concept of pure quantity. It was a revolution in both accounting and human communication. For the first time, there was a reckoning system applicable to any and every item under the sun.
Thus, “writing resulted not only from new bureaucratic demands but from the invention of abstract counting,” argued Schmandt-Besserat in How Writing Came About. “The most important evidence uncovered is that counting was not, as formerly assumed, subservient to writing; on the contrary, writing emerged from counting.”
Clay tokens became obsolete by 3000 B.C., replaced by pictographic tablets that could represent not only “how many” but also “what, where, when, and how.” With the introduction of a new type of stylus, pictographic writing developed into cuneiform notation. The resulting record-keeping system proved so efficient and convenient that it was used in the Near East for the next 3,000 years.
“The tokens were mundane counters dealing with foods and other basic commodities of everyday life, but they played a major role in the societies that adopted them,” concluded Schmandt-Besserat. “They were used to manage goods, and they affected the economy; they were an instrument of power, and they created new social patterns; they were employed for data manipulation, and they changed a mode of thought.
So once there was writing, there could be written stories, and one of the earliest we have is the glorious Epic of Gilgamesh. My favourite part is where Enkidu – who I see as representing the wild hunter gatherers and pastoralists who remain connected to wildlife and nature – is tempted by a prostitute to go to the bright neon lights of the city – the ‘lure of civilisation’ so to speak – the streets paved with gold, sex and drugs and rock & roll, something which must have happened to uncountable numbers of people over the millennia and which continues to this day as rural folk move into urban life in search of money and the buzz of ‘modern life’…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh
So then we have all of the world’s literature, one of the wonders of our species, the legacy of millions of minds and imaginations.
What would we be without that?
Fast forward several thousand years, of stories and cities and risings and vanishings of entire civilisations, to circa 1920 when we get a clear glimpse of something that joins the first city states of Sumeria to our own time today, using writing and the newly invented format of the dystopian novel.
‘’In a country constructed of glass, under complete surveillance…’’
Here we can already see the outlines of the NSA and Edward Snowden, as we look back past 9/11, past the Stazi, through 1984 and Brave New World, through the flames of the burning Reichstag the Sonderkommando arranging the corpses into neat piles to make smoke signals warning the coming generations – “Die now or, in four months time, you will know what makes time so precious.”
Nobody paid attention to Zamyatin; nobody paid attention to the smoke signals.
Enkidu always falls for temptation because he does not know any better, until it is too late…
The streets are never paved with gold, only blood, bones, tears and torment.
In a country constructed of glass, under complete surveillance and devoid of individuality, D-503 discovers he has a soul and is now in danger.
http://libcom.org/library/we-yevgeny-zamyatin
First there were a few hundred on the internet who discussed this and what to do.
It has grown to a few thousands, and now it grows faster and faster and soon, I suppose, millions.
And nobody knows what to do.
I was one of the first to face this matter head on without flinching.
This is the most amazing time in all of human history.
We have evolved since about a million or 2 million years or a couple of hundred thousand years depending upon how you define a human being exactly. And then we made the first cities about 6000 years ago and agriculture and civilisation and technology and writing and now we reach our peak, and destroy everything and become extinct and cause a mass extinction event of most of life on Earth.
That’s how I see it.
And just for a brief moment, we have all these things, computers, etc, and access to all this information. And we peer out into the Universe and try to understand why we are here and what’s going on…
And then we all vanish.
Every day I review this picture because every day people are questioning, and I am trying to reply.
Most people are unable to comprehend that this civilisation will collapse, with billions of people condemned to die prematurely, because it is too horrible to face. But it is absolutely inevitable, only a question of when, and exactly how it takes place.
It might be any time in the next 100 years which seems long and vague for humans, but is an instant in geological time, a millisecond, a nanosecond.
And then I think, going by previous mass extinction events, it takes about 10 million years for life to recover. But whatever it is, it will be nothing like us.
So the problem is, how does one live when one has this knowledge?
This terrible, TERRIBLE knowledge. Hahahaha, enough to make a strong man weep. Seriously. It is such a difficult matter each person has to solve for themselves and, if they have children, their predicament is made much worse.
But I think, live in the moment, striving to be as happy as you are able to be, because each moment is very precious and never returns.
And now, I think we come to write our last stories as our era draws to a close.
The Epic of Human Demise…
Everything is going to go.
So, if I did have children, anyone under thirty, say.
What could I possibly advise? This is very hard because I don’t want the responsibility and I don’t know what will happen, but I get a lot of emails from people who feel bad, and I feel obliged to reply and I feel obliged to say SOMETHING, and I can’t be dishonest or evasive…
So….
You don’t need much of anything.
Cut possessions and consumption to essentials.
Stay fit and healthy, physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually.
Get a network of others who share same views. Be loyal and supportive.
Everyone is monitored, so develop in-group language, opaque to outsiders.
http://gawker.com/the-nsa-created-intricate-maps-of-the-social-connection-1417840544
You know what I mean. Do as much off-line as possible.
Share what needs to be shared, need to know, otherwise keep stuff to yourself, especially stuff that matters. One good person you can trust is the most valuable asset you can have, the more the better.
Most people can’t keep secrets. The more they want to, the more they feel compelled to tell someone.
Regard all MSM info with suspicion, as propaganda; nowadays it’s often downright lies.
Distribute important and interesting information as widely as possible.
Don’t be naive. Don’t be anybody’s fool; be your own best friend who you can trust.
It’s going to get much, much worse, so expect that you’ll be shocked. Don’t get knocked off-balance; roll with the punches, bounce back.
Learn stuff all the time, something new every day. There’s a technique to this, make it fun. Go over what you learned yesterday. Get a sense of pride and accomplishment.
Build self-esteem. Learn about ecology, nature, wildlife, the land, the past, what happened. Learn critical thinking. Don’t let anything slide by unnoticed…
Permaculture is good to learn, so is Tai Chi, Qi Gong, Aikido, even basic gardening, cooking, food preservation. One of the saddest thing with so many old people, like me, haha, who have skills – I have knowledge of hand tools used in woodwork and chairmaking with a direct line going back to their invention in Egypt 6000 years ago – is that all this is lost as we die off with no young people who are interested to hand it on to. It’s not just one generation’s knowledge. It’s taken centuries to learn this stuff… Nobody wants to know. Sigh.
Know your enemy.
Who are they?
Well, as far as I am concerned, they are these people. Not necessarily the individual names with the faces and addresses attached, but the whole idea that is acceptable and alright to behave in this way. The whole idea that it is acceptable and alright to live and conduct yourself and your affairs in this way:
WikiLeaks released 249 documents from 92 global intelligence contractors.
We look back a couple of hundred years at the way certain people were behaving and we are shocked and disgusted, and yet we have the same kinds of people behaving in the same kinds of ways, in fact even WORSE, if you check out the actual damage they do.
These people are insane. They have always been with us, since the first cities of Sumeria, these accumulators of wealth and power, whose lust for money is never sated.
But what good will it do them when they inhabit a dead planet? Because that is what is happening and they are to blame, their greed, ignorance and stupidity is the direct cause of this oncoming catastrophe. Everything has to be turned into money, and what good will money be, when Earth is like Mars? Because that’s what is happening….
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/22/the-terrible-plutocratic-plan/
You’re going to have to mix with the enemy, to survive, but you don’t have to become them, or support them, or fraternise with them. Just disguise yourself and shapeshift your way through to get whatever you need. Ostracise anyone who is supporting The Machine.
Some people think that what matters is people and social reform and justice and that sort of thing. I’m not against those things, just that I don’t think they matter anymore, at least not to me personally. I think the only thing that matters is saving the other species for as long as possible and stopping the killing Machine as much as possible. Pretty much the Deep Green Resistance agenda.
But if you disagree, who cares? I don’t have time to debate and argue over crap. I’d rather see some action, someone fighting to save some fucking butterflies or something, than complaining about the bankers. Sooner or later, all those bankers, anyone who even looks like a banker, are going to be ripped limb from limb by hordes of enraged starving folk with machetes. They’ll deserve it. But that’s not my agenda.
It’s time to get apocalyptic, or get out-of-the-way.
http://www.alternet.org/activism/get-apocalyptic-case-new-radical?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark
I mean, we all know everything is going to shit. We all know that’s extremely depressing. We all know it makes you feel suicidal. Okay. That bits done. Sorted. Leave it behind.
Like an old jacket you used to wear. Familiar but worn out.
If you’re into suicide, do it. There’s too many of us. Otherwise, get a grip. Don’t go the way that they are currently on NBL, of endless ‘counselling’, because IMHO that’s another disaster. It’s for the people who enjoy self-indulgence and self-pity and the people who exploit them by selling their books. The only person who can sort yourself out is you, and you do it! Right here, right now.
The way I see it, the Roman Catholics had Confession, which was a means for their power pyramid to gather intelligence, much like the NSA and GCHQ are doing now.
People could ‘sin’ and then be absolved and go away and ‘sin’ again, and that became an habitual lifestyle. Remember, the Inquisition was the equivalent of the CIA and lasted for 400 years.
Then Freud and Jung came along and Heaven and Hell were replaced by The Unconscious. Instead of Confession, people lay on the couch and talked about their childhood and their dreams. Same deal really. The equivalent of the Inquisition was perhaps Bedlam, the lunatic asylum.
Basically, all the pyramid power structures that are not fighting to SAVE the biosphere – are there any that are ?? – are the enemy. That doesn’t leave many powerful allies.
It does leave billions of ordinary, rather powerless people who know they don’t like what’s happening. If I was Che Guevara, I’d say it was a perfect time for revolution. The only problem is that a social reform doesn’t fix an ecological crisis caused by exceeding the carrying capacity.
These people are plain evil. They have done nothing good for anybody ever, in their entire history. How does humanity rid itself of such a monstrosity that has caused death suffering and misery for millions and millions of innocent people ?
The problem is power. If the greatest power is corrupt and evil, then who or what will hold it to account for its actions? How can it be removed? How do you prevent it being replaced by something even worse? Only the mass of the people can do this, and they have to understand the problem. Usually they don’t, or they are betrayed by leaders. Any leader who cannot be corrupted will be assassinated.
And now we have the New Age, and all kinds of therapies and therapists and counsellors who’ll take your cash for a book and dvd and a private consultation if you can afford it. It’s just a new priesthood for a new religion, and NTE is a whole new business opportunity for a whole new industry to arise, and some people will spend the whole of the rest of their lives ‘coming to terms with’ whatever it is…
Well, I am a warrior, and that’s not my way of dealing with this. If you get damaged and hurt, you heal yourself as well and effectively and efficiently as you can. I know, because I’ve been through a lot of stuff and been battered all to hell. Be as kind and gentle to yourself as you can possibly be. But there’s no need to rely on someone who doesn’t know any better than you do. How can they, if they have not been through what you have been through, and are doing what they do to make money? There’s a danger in that.
People who are addicted to booze or video games or who are obese or who expect to be told what to do, whole sectors of society – well, what will happen to them? Zombie food?
The old, the children and babies, the pregnant mothers, the weak and disabled, people who rely upon medication for survival, the gentle and tender-hearted ones – what happens?
We know what happens, because it has happened before. We can look back at history and see what happened when societies collapsed. It’s not a new thing. Inform yourself.
Next comes next. We’re going to die anyway. So how are we going to live while we are alive? That’s the bit that matters.
I think Enkidu has to get out of the rotting poisonous city, escape, get back to what he was… find himself again… his soul, his power, his way of being.
Forgive the male tense. There must be a female version of Enkidu, but I have failed to find one. Suggestions in the comments, perhaps.
“It is said there are flowers that bloom only once in a hundred years. Why should there not be some that bloom once in a thousand, in ten thousand years? Perhaps we never know about them simply because this “once in a thousand years” has come today.”
~ Yevgeny Zamyatin.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/7121/description/From_Counting_to_Writing
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Our whole predicament, the important stuff, all in a nutshell. Good job.
I’m with you all the way.
But you say get with others of like mind, away from the Internet. That’s a tough one. I simply cannot find others who feel as we do. Except here, on the Internet. Even people deeply concerned about global warming and peak oil and the rest……and these are rare…….they simply will not admopit to themselves our future is catastrophic.
My system for keeping sane during this is to live my life in three parts.
1. I live like everyone else, as if we are in no real danger….working each day, being a good husband and dad, going to football games and weddings, paying for life insurance, planning like others for the future, etc, all with the typical enthusiasm of normal people.
2. Being environmental aware, active politically to a certain extent, going to rallies like 350.org, preparing for hard times with my little farm and solar panels, etc.
3. Realizing all of the above is probably useless as we head toward calamity. I listen to those like you who are informative and inspiring and not afraid of the truth, and it helps.
Somehow I am maintaining pretty well, though if have my moments of deep despair. But I am determined to see the truth no matter how troubling and hopeless. It helps to know I am not alone, even though I can’t seem to find others in the flesh and blood that see it as I do.
I depend on people like you to remain brave, accepting reality regardless of the pain.
Thanks, and keep up the dialog as we move along and learn more.
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Hi Paul,
Yes. 🙂
Zamyatin was amazing. Scroll to the end of WE for some details. All that talent and insight and then has a miserable life. That’s what I’m talking about really. We are all in that situation now, only worse. Terminally worse. 🙂
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Sorry about the 2 mistakes in the text. Anything else, let me know. I’m slipping back to bed for a bit.
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Haha, no need for an apology, if I was good you should have received absolute 100% perfection, there is a third which awaits your awakening, which I only just noticed, amazing how these things slip by detection however many times one reads…
Sweet nightmares 🙂
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Hey Ulv,
Nicely put. Anthony from NBL.
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Thanks ! 🙂
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Look how the MSM make up total crap. This one was so blatant they had to withdraw it, but they all do this all the time. They are TOLD what to tell us. The worst, now, is the BBC, which once used to be sort of ‘balanced’. It tells the truth for trivial stuff and froth, but the serious political issues are all being filtered and spun, and personally i don’t believe anything they say anymore. TPTB are desperate to keep the masses believing the myth, living inside the bubble.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/the-mails-fake-nairobi-pictures.html
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Incidentally, for people who are into the history/prehistory – pre history being defined as before written records – it’s noticeable that scholarship has tended to be very, what’s the term ? Mesopotamia-centric, hahaha, so to get a broader perspective, it’s interesting that this is what was going on in Peru at around the same period
Click to access Norte-chico-Science-01-05.pdf
And there’s is also the claim of earlier writing from the civilisation further to the east, and the sunken city… maybe I’ll find the links later.
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Someone asked Kurt Vonnegut what he would say to young people today about the future and (it is reported) he said:
“Find your tribe and take care of each other.”
A succinct way to put it, and not limited to the young, I’d say.
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Unfortunately, my ‘tribe’ got overrun by the Romans, and then a succession of other tribes, culminating in the subjugation by the Normans of practically everyone who was not Norman. I do not know what I am, though my father’s description of himself summed up his feelings on the matter: “One of Britain’s slaves.”
By my mid-teenage years I had worked out that there were too many people and that there was too much ‘development’, particularly of housing estates.
I managed to escape from the British ‘slave camp’, only to find that the British elites (and the international money-lenders) had set up a similar ‘slave camp’ in NZ more than century before I arrived.
I arrived in NZ in time to catch the tail end of a reasonably cohesive caring society. By the mid-1980s NZ was seen as a fruit ripe for harvesting; a group of saboteurs masquerading as socialists (Labour) began the great dismemberment. State-owned assets were sold off to international opportunists under the false pretences of ‘increased efficiency’. Voting National made no difference (not that I ever did) because the same policies were imposed by them. A succession of phony Labour and national governments managed to destroy the heart of NZ society and establish a faux society based on consumerism, house construction and looting of what remained of the natural resources, along with corporatized dairy industry.
Groups of people fought the ravaging of the land and the people by the international plunderers, just as many of the Maori had done in the 1800s, and lost.
All attempts to construct new tribes have failed. The vast majority of people are uninformed, deluded, deceived, bought off by the trinkets of consumerism, transfixed by trivia, you name it -anything but informed and prescient.
When present arrangements collapse there may be a possibility of forming ‘tribes’, but that will clearly be after there has been an awful lot of suffering.
There is one small glimmer of hope around here. The professional liar and saboteur, who was MP for the district for many years, who got himself installed as mayor by lying to the people, now has a miserable level of support according to an informal poll; just 18%.
if a new mayor with morals and knowledge were to be elected, where would he start in unravelling the tangled web of lies and unsustainable arrangements?
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By “tribe” I think Vonnegut meant the people in your life who care about each other.
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Yes, I think in practical terms, not the strict definition, a tribe needs to be the Dunbar number, and upwards, toward some manageable limit, so you can have met a large percentage face to face in your life, and have an idea in your mind of them as a real personality. As soon as you live in an anonymous sea of unknown faces, something changes.
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Hi Kevin, I know what you mean about what the governments did in NZ. I was born there & left there when I was 20 in 1989. I remember well as they dismembered the social systems in place. My family still live there living the great lie. I live in Australia where things are no better. We’re the prostitute of China & who ever will pay us for raping the continent.
Brendon
http://pantheistheritage.wordpress.com/
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Great video on our corrupt political economy.
Financialization on par with greenhouse gases…
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In 1993 the human population of the planet was 5.5 billion. Today the population is approximately 7.5 billion which means the cancer is continuing to spread, is consuming the ecological body and is creating a cachexic state whereby homeostasis is destroyed. Dr. Hern thought that maybe the human ability to reason would curtail terminal expansion, that we would perhaps “decide” not to grow any further and thereby save ourselves. We didn’t do that. Reason is not in control.
Here is some interesting reading from Dr. Hern, he did a lot of footwork but missed a few of the most revealing pieces of the puzzle. Even a clear elucidation today would likely not change the course of events in the future. Here’s a link to some papers of Dr. Hern’s:
http://drhern.com/en/news-a-publications/30-population-environment-and-ecology.html?catid=6%3Apublications-in-peer-review-journals-invited-book
Brzezinki speaks to cancer promoters that have everything but power and control. If I could invite them to dinner and a speech I would put a big bloody malignant tumor on their plates, “Their it is gentlemen, there’s your reality.” Many of them will succumb to their own bodily malignancies. “Show me the power gentlemen, show me the power. Truth is, you don’t have any.” A local potentate recently died of cancer. All of the millions of dollars at his disposal didn’t give him any “power’ over his eventual fate. The world is dominated by fools with big empty heads.
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Regarding the influence of tribes (groups) on human behavior, I highly recommend E.O. Wilson’s “The Social Conquest of Earth”. Basically, individuals who form groups gain evolutionary advantages over individuals who don’t, and groups that cohere strongly gain advantages over groups less cohesive.
From a thermodynamic perspective, groups that capture energy gradients (money, political power, oil, etc) crowd out other groups, thus the (increasing) power of the 1%. “Into The Cool” by E. Schneider and D. Sagan extrapolates the thermodynamic principle: nature abhores energy gradients giving rise to entropy producing non-equilibrium systems – to human society (part IV and particularly chapter 19).
What I find curious is that repression is not being accomplished by eliminating individuality, quite the opposite. Consumer culture is endlessly driven by the memes of individuality: “be yourself” – “no limits” etc. Even “rebellion” is absorbed into – and commuted by – marketing – reference Thomas Frank’s “Conquest of Cool”.
Can human society and “free will” overcome evolution and thermodynamics? The evidence and theoretical models clearly point to the answer.
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The inevitable collapse of the future in a bubble economy…
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CIA corrupted everything, even art
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
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When I read the title I thought it was going to be about the rules that apply now, rather than how we got into this mess.
As I see it, the rules for the elites are:
1. Keep the masses distracted via internationalised sport, celebrity gossip and ‘news’ about mating success of caged animals and dogs that can ride surfboards.
2. Keep creating money out of thin air, lending it as zero interest to members of the club, and charging everyone else significant interest. Dilute the purchasing power of money on a continuous basis and call that process inflation.
3. Manipulate or fabricate economic data to create the illusion that everything is just fine.
4. Ensure that official planning (at least that which is public) ignores everything that will actually determine the future.
5. Conduct wars or covert operation as necessary to maintain the flow of resources from poor nations to rich nations.
6. Ensure wealth continues to be transferred from the less wealthy to the ultra-wealthy.
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LOL. OK, great comment, especially number one. But I’m not sure who the trained animals are at this point – the ones in cages or the ones looking into the cages.
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The mating success of these ‘caged’ animals leaves much to be desired:
A Ukrainian couple’s inability to rein in their passion for each other ended in tragedy when a woman was killed by a train and her partner had his legs torn off during pre-dawn love-making on a railway track, police say.
The accident took place in the southeastern Ukrainian region of Zaporizhia early on Saturday.
“Returning from our friends’, my girlfriend and I could not overcome our passionate nature and wanted to feel a sense of thrill near a railway track,” a police statement quoted the 41-year-old man as saying.
A police spokesman separately said on Sunday that the pair was believed to have ‘been drunk.
The woman died on the spot while the man was hospitalised with his legs torn off below the knee.
Police did not release the names of the victims, saying it had opened a criminal probe over the safety violation.’
I didn’t bother to read the item when I first saw it but your comment inspired me to.
On a more serious note (not a headline for mainstream NZ)
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/29/carbon-budget-talks-urgent-ipcc-lord-stern
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‘Despite repeated pledges by governments to cut emissions, greenhouse gas output is still rising. Lord Stern said the carbon budget calculations of the IPCC must form the basis of international negotiations on climate change. He said: “If we continue to increase annual emissions, the budget will be depleted even sooner. That is why I think nations, cities, communities and companies will recognise the importance of these findings and will increase the urgency and scale of the emissions reductions that they are planning to undertake. I also expect this emissions budget to focus the minds of governments in the international negotiations towards a new climate change treaty, to be signed in Paris at the end of 2015.”
A slight problem here, of course. The British government is critically dependent on the continuation of present financial arrangements (City of London).
With respect to market valuations of BP and Shell etc. there has already been discussion about ‘stranded carbon’, i.e. carbon that is booked for extraction that cannot actually be extracted for environmental reasons.
2014 and 2015 are going to be very ‘interesting’.
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Geoengineering to the rescue…
“…It [geoengineering] opens the door to blind faith in science – ‘oh, science will figure it out, no need to worry’.
That’s the next logical stage of climate change denial. First they denied that it was happening. Then they accepted that it was happening but denied that it was anthropogenic. Then they accepted that it was anthropogenic but denied that there is anything we can do about it and said that it isn’t as bad as scientists say. Now they’ll say ‘yes, it’s terrible, but science will figure it out – what we need is more growth, growth, growth to fund the science, therefore we need to keep burning carbon’.
There is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that science can figure out the technologies that will let us have our carbon cake and eat it too. Of course all avenues of research should be pursued but not at the cost of abandoning the precautionary principle. The author of this article is quite right to worry that this will be what happens.”
Why has geoengineering been legitimised by the IPCC?
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Ulvfuql, in this one, you described some feats of those who were and are corrupt and greedy, and you did this very well. It’s important knowledge, and one which is not readily obvious to most people around. To me, one of most disqusting things is this “mimicry”, this “theatre”, this “double standard” which vast majority of corrupt and greedy folks do: they are so nice and pleasant and seemingly good-natured on the outside, they are often so much skilled in appealing as “good guys” to others; yet in the same time, when they know nobody’s looking and it’s unlikely someone would ever find out about what they do, – the mask is put away; and then they talk and act their actual self – corrupt and greedy self, and it leads to death of living beings (humans included). This is a huge force which pushes mankind towards… No, not “towards” – it’s already another word: _through_ a huge planetary catastrophe. We are well in it already, as you know.
Oh, by the way, if someone who reads this never seen movie “Home” – i highly recommend it; among other things, near the end, it brings just a few very simple to grasp but also very massive facts about how exactly we are already well into a planetary catastrophe. It has exceptionally beautiful scenery and photography, some good music, it’s officialy free to watch in HD, and is available in many languages. Englsih vevrsion is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU . For other languages, one can just search for “home” in one’s native language (if it’s not english) on youtube, simple as that.
But there is more to it than just a bunch (well, relatively few, in compare to whole population) bad guys. You said in the article: “know your enemy”. This is a good advice. You said: “all the pyramid power structures that are not fighting to SAVE the biosphere – are there any that are ?? – are the enemy”. It’s true, except it’s not “the” enemy – it’s just “an” enemy.
Because, in your own article, there is a bigger enemy than “they” you are talking about. This enemy you described yourself, though without naming it as an enemy directly. This enemy is, in your own words: “billions of ordinary, rather powerless people”. You yourself said about facts which leave no choice but to conclude that this is indeed the one strongest enemy we have – namely,
1. “Most people are unable to comprehend that this civilisation will collapse, with billions of people condemned to die prematurely, because it is too horrible to face”
– very true, they are unable; and by being so, they are also unable to do anything with intention to change the civilization into any less harmful (to life on Earth) form, nor to try to avoid, or soften, or at least delay said collapse. It’s like when majority of passengers in a lifeboat in the middle of a vast ocean, feasting on very limited food supplies, destroying chances of everyone to reach the land alive – including those very few who do understand that for any chance to survive, at very least, food consumption is to be cut to absolute minimums. Thus, naturally, those who feast – are enemies of those who know better, effectively destroying their chances to survive;
2. “the wealthiest 20% of the world’s population recieves 76% of the world’s income”
– but, man, “top” 20% is not “they”, because it’s some 1,5 billions people. Being bad, greedy, evilly selfish is a sort of disorder; normal human behaviour does not include that, because, after all, healthy human instincts – are instincts of social creature, who care much about other living beings (not just about humans). I’ve met few truly bad guys in person – ones who’d cripple or kill or destroy without second thought should it be useful (to them) and knowingly non-punishable; those are, by my experience, waaay less than 1% of the population. Even if it’s full 1%, their collective wealth is, as of now, 39% or so ( http://www.nbcnews.com/business/richest-1-control-39-worlds-wealth-growing-6C10141007 ). Their share is projected to grow. But it’s still the less than a half world’s wealth, and will remain lesser part for many years, perhaps all the way till collapse. Also, most of this wealth is not real; it’s not even paper nowadays – just some numbers in electonic databases. Should they all go and demand payment in full, waaay less than 10% of their wealth will be given to them – the rest is nowhere to be found, simply does not exist, thanks to modern fractional reserve systems. While much, if not most, of world’s poomen’s wealth – is coin and paper, which is, first, matherial, and second, is an accepted method of payment between one and anyone else. So in reality, top 1% does not have 39% of world’s wealth; more like some 1…3% of it, only. This, i suspect, cuts “your” 76% figure in half, too, since 39% i talk about – are part of 76% you talk about (and then even more, since remaining 19% have much of “virtual” wealth as well – in compare to the world’s 80% poorest, that is). That’s how, the largest “capitalist” entity of the world – are indeed billions of innocent people. Collectively. Average one of them own a little amount of real wealth, but when we include non-monetary wealth – food, clothes, shelters/homes, posessions, – their sheer numbers dominate everything. One good example is http://usdebtclock.org/ : as you can see, nearly 75% of US national assets – are household assets, some 8% – are “small business assets”, much of which is fairly earned (not “bad guys”‘s) wealth, and only some 18% of US assets – are corporations’ assets. Of course, most of each – is virtual wealth; non-existing in matherial terms. Still, only ~18% is total assets of US corporations – many of which are known to be huge economies of themselves, dominating the world (not just USA). Significant part of household assets are, of course, assets of “bad guys” – luxury and abundance they get, – but in real terms, after all, millionaires don’t eat 100 times as much as average Joe in US, don’t own 100 times more cars than average Joe does, don’t wear 100 times more clothes. Luxury items may be priced 100 times higher – even 1000s, – than average Joe’s items, but most of that huge price is virtual. Because, in terms of resources and labor, excellent food does not really cost 100 times more, per pound, than average food; excellent steel does not cost 100 times more, per pound, than mediocre one; luxury items, like supercars, have vast fraction of their price being “for name”, “for prestige” – selling less than thin air, so to say. So you see, that capitalism so many are blaming in all kinds of wrong doings, – in reality, much if not most of it is driven by innocent people – ones who just do exactly what you said we are to do: “live in the moment, striving to be as happy as you are able to be” (which is absolutely normal mammals’ (humans included) behaviour indeed). Next time you read someone blaming capitalism – make no mistake, most of such blames are in fact to be put on innocent people of the world, if to put on anyone at all (i doubt blaming each other is useful, though);
3. “But what good will it do them when they inhabit a dead planet? Because that is what is happening and they are to blame, their greed, ignorance and stupidity is the direct cause of this oncoming catastrophe.”
– strong greed is an aberration “naturally”. But nowadays it is massively cultivated (in media, education systems, etc) to the majority. Most of presently “somewhat” greedy people – are _made_ greedy; for them, it’s not the defining trait, though. They are greedy only nearly as much as human’s (and, apes’ in general) habit to mimic others goes. Strong (enough to be “very evil”) greed – is still one feature of few “properly bad” guys, those who are less than 1% of the population. However, the same cannot be said about ignorance and stupidity. Most humans were and still are rather stupid if we measure humans’ smarts vs the problem at hand – which is, mankind’s inability to maintain tolerable levels of life-support functions of Earth’s biosphere. This is rather obvious since even many most brightest humans alive are clueless about what to do (as you rightfully mention yourself, except you say pretty much everyone’s clueless). Just imagine if all the innocent people of the world you talk about – some 6+ billions souls, – would suddenly see the solution to the problem. If only it could be! Then indeed, a revolution against greedy elites could be easily done; because, when “we the people” clearly see that something needs to be done in order to survive, – then elites can’t do a thing. Army, police, even most staff in institutions like CIA (or, inquisition) – are quite innocent; once they see the solution, they will use, if needed, their main argument, – which is force, of which the main amount is in the hands of very usual soldiers, policeman, field officers and field agents (majority of whom are, again, just normal innocent people at heart; often bent by the system they serve quite much – and being very angry at it for that, already). Same for ignorance. And, we should not blame innocent people. By God or by evolution (or perhaps by both), surface-dwelling humans are creatures who can’t directly (with their own personal senses) see, or hear, or smell or taste the whole world; not even billionth part of it in the same time. Even from orbit, astronauts only see a shape, some colors, largest features – an extremely over-simplified “shadow” of true physical processes, which is photons and atoms interacting all around the world every gazillionth of a second, shaping the world. We are not built to solve global (planetary problems) – we are built to solve narrow class of problems: not too microscopic, not too wide-scale; not too fast, not too slow.
I could go on, but it’s too much already. Apologies for that, Ulv. And, anyhows, you cheer up, man. You know what, 10 millions years – for Earth, – is not that much. After all, whatever, we’ll die, as a species, and most of species with us. Big deal. Next time, it might be a better ending, you know. Cheers!
Basically, all the pyramid power structures that are not fighting to SAVE the biosphere – are there any that are ?? – are the enemy. That doesn’t leave many powerful allies.
It does leave billions of ordinary, rather powerless people who know they don’t like what’s happening. If I was Che Guevara, I’d say it was a perfect time for revolution. The only problem is that a social reform doesn’t fix an ecological crisis caused by exceeding the carrying capacity.
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Hello F.T.
So in reality, top 1% does not have 39% of world’s wealth…
No ? I think you don’t understand.
In UK, the Monarch owns all the land. People buy it and sell it and may think they own it, but at any time, the Gvt. can take it away, on behalf of the Queen, because it all belongs to her. Same goes for Australia and Canada. Do you think the 0.01% richest people are so stupid that they have their wealth in zeros and ones on computers ?
Or in pieces of paper ?
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Short version: oh, why, i do. They indeed are that stupid (well, vast majority of them, anyways). And i know it is so – see the last paragraph of long version for a few details on that.
Long version:
0.01% of richest people are stupid enough to allow currently ongoing destruction of the biosphere; they couldn’t, of course, to prevent it themselves, – however, they could steer the majority of the population to do so, somewhat like it was done to steer hundreds of millions of humans – large part of then existing world population, – to work very, very hard and/or fight during world war 2. But 0.01% are clearly stupid enough not to do it. So, why would i be NOT thinking that 0.01% are having most of their “wealth” as zeroes and ones in computers?
In fact, they do.
In UK, only 2.1% of money is paper and coin; 97.9% – is zeroes and ones in banks’ computers ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply#United_Kingdom ). In the same time, top-1% of UK population in terms of income – own some 21% of all the wealth in UK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Wealth ). Now tell me, what most of that 21% is, if 97.9% of UK money – are zeroes and ones in computers? Huh?
As for their “powers”, they are much more limited than it might seem. In UK, the queen and the government may dream all they like about “taking all the lands away from current “owners””, – yet they can’t do it in practice, unless they feel suicidal. Because if they do, then it’ll be a revolution, the end of monarchy in UK, and fall of the government.
My country is excellent example of how this happens. Our last monarch was unwilling to give land to the people. Our first parliament realized that it needs to be done, but our last monarch disagreed with that, and used his still significant (at the time) power to disband our first parliament ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Duma_%28Russian_Empire%29#First_Duma ). The 2nd duma did the same, and our monarch disbanded it as well.
10 years later, in the spring of 1917, angry russians, collectively, decided that monarchy is no more. Tzar Nikolai II was very surprised when he was practically forced to quit his job.
Temporary government was formed. Then, just like the Nikolai 2 before it, it failed to realize that to give lands to people is the only possible way ( http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/provisional_government.htm ); instead it tried to enforce continuation of lands’ ownership by nobility ( http://www.johndclare.net/ER1.htm ). Most of the population went against it, including lots of soldiers, sailors, officers, politicians, you name it. That government, despite giving LOTS of freedoms to people, and being much more cooperative in general than previous – monarchic – government, lasted for ~8 months only. Just one short paragraph from wikipedia about it:
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By October 1917 there had been over four thousand peasant uprisings against landowners. When the Provisional Government sent out punitive detachments it only enraged the peasants. The garrisons in Petrograd, Moscow, and other cities, the Northern and Western fronts, and the sailors of the Baltic Fleet in September openly declared through their elected representative body Tsentrobalt that they did not recognize the authority of the Provisional Government and would not carry out any of its commands.
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Lenin did not make the same mistake. He promised land to people, and he kept his promise ( http://www.russianlife.com/blog/peace-land-bread/ ). The regime he created – remained stable, and managed to change the country to one of world’s leading industrial, military, cultural powers. In and shortly after 1917, my country was underdeveloped, beaten, anarchic, and threatened by various hostile forces, both inside and foreign ones. Just 40 years later, it became known as one of two world’s “superpowers”. That’s how much you get from giving lands to people; it creates new, powerful motive to work more, and do more, to grow more – and it ends up with more of everything. The opposite is also true: take the lands away from the people who work it, and you get all kinds of trouble.
So, UK government can’t take people’s lands away from people, unless they have a death wish – and even then, it’d last for a very brief (couple months) period, tops, after which such a government will cease to exist, and lands will go back to rightful owners. Queen? She better not do it, either. Otherwise she probably will end up exactly like Nikolai the 2nd did: arrested, moved away from capitol, and shot down in some basement. Note, Nikolai the 2nd didn’t even do the thing in full: he didn’t take away farmers’ lands, – he merely refused to give lands to farmers who worked these lands (lands were owned by nobility for hundreds of years in Russia, but in early 20th century, russians peasans were starting to realize that it is their labor which creates nearly all of agricultural land’s value – and therefore, it is unacceptable if someone else owns what they have created without even sharing anything with them).
0,01% richest people control alot, can do alot, and have huge power – in compare to someONE else. In the same time, 0,01% richest people control little, can never do many things they actually want to do, and have very limited powers – in compare to whole mankind. Both things are true, you see. Oh, and regarding stupidity – they are not Einsteins, too. In general, among 0,01% richest, distribution of intellect seems to closely follow distribution of intellect in general population – i.e., majority of 0,01% richest are mediocre minds, and some few are proper idiots, and some other few are smart and very smart folks. Because unlike 1% richest, “membership” in 0,01% richest is mainly defined NOT by income – but by wealth, most often inherited wealth. And while there is some correlation between intellect and income (though not so strong), – there is no significant correlation between intellect and wealth, in the same time ( http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/02/06/correlations-of-iq-with-income-and-wealth/ ).
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Yes, dear F. T., I know all that.
But they have had thousands of years to learn how to take care of their power and money, and they have still not understood NTE, just like you, because only a few people get it, even on NBL.
The Queen doesn’t suddenly say, one day, that she will take everyone’s land away, that’s ridiculous, I never suggested any such thing. But she has the RIGHT to do so. As in WW2, anything the Gvt wants can be taken, ownership counts for nothing. Power resides with whoever has the loyalty of the police and the army.
In other countries it’s very different, and the crisis we face is global, and we don’t know how it will roll out because there is no precedent for this. But having enormous power and wealth, means access to enormous influence. The Queen is just an old woman, a figure head. Just like Obama, the real power is behind the scenes.
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F.Tnioli sez: … there is a bigger enemy than “they” you are talking about. This enemy you described yourself, though without naming it as an enemy directly. This enemy is, in your own words: “billions of ordinary, rather powerless people”
This is a worthwhile statement. Our fate is intertwined with our sheer numbers, and almost all of us are ordinary and powerless. As they say, demographics are destiny. Even if I were powerful, I’m less than certain I would want the responsibility to manage contraction, not that anyone is in fact doing so. I don’t have the hubris to think I have answers. Further, dismantling civilization and easing suffering don’t appear to be priorities. More like party til dawn breaks crimson.
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That statement struck a cord with me as well. “We have met the enemy… and he is us”.
Walt Kelly first used the quote “We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us” on a poster for the first Earth Day in 1970, shown below:
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Truth is I immediately thought of Pogo and Walt Kelly’s prescient clarification. But since I’ve used that elsewhere, I decided to forgo another citation. Thanks for bringing it up.
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Oversimplification. Perhaps, dangerous one, too. I mean, the “billions of innocent people” – is not the same as “us”, as in, not “mankind”. One may not like it, but there is definitely “good guys” and “the enemy” in this. “The enemy” = billions of innocent people, i.e. vast majority of existing population; but, only majority – not entirety! And “good guys” = very small fraction of the population which lives, some or other way, in a manner which does NOT reduce life support capacity of Earth’s biosphere. Some indigenous small cultures (some are still alive!) still living old-ways, some of the best organic farmers in remote regions, some hermits of the modern world, like http://www.details.com/culture-trends/career-and-money/200907/meet-the-man-who-lives-on-zero-dollars .
Of course, if one is realizing he is contributing to Earth’s biosphere destruction by his way of life (even if one is willing to stop it, – but is unable to do so given the culture one is a part of), then he can say “we” when we talk about the enemy; but it’s still dangerous to do so as long as it creates an impression that _everyone_ is a “member” of the enemy’s “ranks”. Clearly, not everyone is. There are folks and even cultures out there who _could_ go on for many thousands of years living the way they do, – in the enemy wouldn’t ruin their life support systems completely, that is. Which is quite possible imho; but not inevitable. That’s how i still think that perhaps in some parts of the world, as i guessed elsewhere, some “good guys” will survive through. Like, in Tibet, or in some parts of Scandinavia and north edges of Eurasia, or in some high platous in Africa, or perhaps some parts of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_horticulture#Highlander_Horticulture communities. Some agricultural tribes in Africa are living in the same areas for some 4000+ years, managing not to ruin their local biosphere, soils, fertility. Not all of those are any much commercialized nor “civilized”, even today.
I don’t think these people are part of the enemy i was talking about – and you were talking about, xraymike79. And i don’t think Daniel Suelo – the man who decided not to use money anymore, – is a part of the enemy, either. So, you see, it’s not as simple as “mankind kills itself”. It’s more like “majority of mankind kills mankind, but some few societies and cultures are not doing it, and some individuals are not doing it”.
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Here you go, F. T., something for you to get your teeth into 🙂
http://investigate911.org/Oligarchy.htm
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300 souls ruling the world eh? More like couple dozens thousands “commoners” – using the term outta that piece of … wishful thinking, – might be, while deteriorating remains of european monarchies become increasingly over-delusional about amount and extent of real power they wield (or rather, scale and extent of powerlessness they are put into by “commoners”).
I don’t expect you to agree with me, Ulv; but i expect you to agree that i am not alone in my opinion, because
http://www.forbes.com/sites/russalanprince/2013/07/22/who-rules-the-world/
and
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed–the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html#.UlKfEBArxpg
P.S. If only it’d be as easy as some 300 “bad” guys doing “wrong” things. It can be solved quite easily, you know. A few spec ops operations done udner command of truly patriotic officers and a good general or two, and voila, no more problem. But, it ain’t that easy at all. Like said above, the problem is not rotten elites – it’s just “a” problem, one of many; “the” problem is majority of mankind living in a destructive (to life on Earth and to our own species itself) ways since – increasingly destructive since the invention of agriculture, but especially last couple decades, of course. Or do you think it is those 300’s doing? Certainly not, eh.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/world-bank-whistleblower-reveals-how-the-global-elite-rule-the-world/5353130
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Psychopaths make up some 6 percent of the population. These “people” control vast numbers of other humans through manipulation of a system which causes them to behave as if they too were psychopaths. If we are to in fact reform our society into one which functions rationally we must deal realistically with psychopaths.
The system is a power structure designed and built to allow them to get what they want with a minimum of hassle. They do not have the emotional capability or awareness of love, quilt or empathy. They are incapable of these emotions. They are not like us. They are basically predators like lions or tigers. When one talks about the “one percent” this is who they are.
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ulvfugl sez: Don’t go the way that they are currently on NBL, of endless ‘counselling’, because IMHO that’s another disaster. It’s for the people who enjoy self-indulgence and self-pity and the people who exploit them by selling their books.
I haven’t been tracking discussions at NBL for some time; too voluminous for me. However, I’m curious why you believe counseling is a disaster. Sure, the self-pitying, victimhood, self-enrichment, and exploitation angles are obvious, but OTOH, there is undoubtedly need for guides through the wilderness of awakening. Self-appointed gurus and spiritual leaders are nothing new, but if people subscribe and spend their last funds on salves and soothes, who are we to steer them elsewhere? Might be just another misdirection from truth and acceptance, but it won’t matter and is certainly less awful than drilling the arctic or some equivalent industrial-ecological disaster.
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My words followed on from ‘if I had kids of my own under thirty’ and were very much in parallel to the recent threads on NBL. Certainly, lots of people ARE going to spend the rest of their lives ‘coming to terms with NTE’ and handing over money to NTE counsellors, and there’s nothing I can do about that except to say that I think that there are better ways to spend the rest of your life. You can get locked into a loop, and the so-called therapists take advantage of that, because they gain their livelihood from it. I’ve been observing this for years in the ‘alternative’ industry, and now they have a vast new market opening up.
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I recently came across this documentary.
The Day the Earth Nearly Died.
What is interesting is the suggestion that the Permian extinction event took 80,000 years, and that it took place in three phases. (So the title is totally inappropriate)
Also, although 95% of life was annihilated. some large vertebrates got through the bottleneck.
There is no question in my mind that TEOTWAWKI has already occurred, and that utterly catastrophic changes to the composition of the chemistry of the atmosphere and oceans have been set in motion by humans, and that Industrial Civilisation is on its last legs.
However, NTE may well be further out than some commentators have suggested (2030), and the die-off may well extend through most of this century.
I know many people focus on Fukushima and suggest that nuclear radiation will become lethal around the entire globe when currently functioning nuclear power stations lose their cooling systems. Against that argument is the fact that people living in fringes of Hiroshima did not keel over and die. Indeed, despite the initial burst of radiation and the contamination, a thriving city was rebuilt on the location of the bomb blast.
On the other hand, people living in industrial environments who eat industrially produced food are keeling over and dying.
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I agree with you on the timing. Near-term in geologic time was triggered at the start of the industrial revolution, and we know that future climate/biosphere disaster is already built into the future from past human activity. If you look at current global fossil fuel consumption as well as population growth, the impetus is already there for even more catastrophic climate forcing and environmental damage. There is no sign of this wrecking ball coming to a standstill for quite some time.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/climate-change-people-get-very-emotional-about-the-subject-its-not-all-bad-owen-paterson-accused-of-being-irresponsible-after-he-plays-down-the-dangers-of-global-warming-8849496.html
‘Speaking on the fringes of the Tory party conference, Mr Paterson said that a major UN report into climate change published on Friday suggested the threat of global warming had been overblown and indicated his confidence that humans would be able to adapt to its consequences.’
As Environment Secretary, it is his job to promote business-as-usual looting and polluting, rubber stamping destruction of the environment and destruction of the future of the next generation.
Until such psychotic sociopaths and environmental criminals are removed everything must inevitably get rapidly worse. However, all the systems are geared to keeping such psychotic sociopaths in power (or replacing them with other psychotic sociopaths)..
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Re points made above about over-population, wealth, ‘we are the enemy’, etc.
The way I see it, we get NTE for a whole bundle of reasons, and I do think it is unavoidable, but if you want to look back and untangle the causes, and the present on-going causes…
There’s certain very powerful groupings on the planet which do have influence and can change the course of events. That’s why I included the CFR video with Brzezinski, because that’s one such nexus of power. There’s many others, the Knights of Malta, IMF and World Bank, Bank for International Settlements, Bilderberg, CIA, Pentagon, Federal Reserve, City of London, JPMorgan, HSBC, the Vatican, the Mafia, etc, etc, etc, all these big powerful monsters that exert influence, and that’s just the Western hemisphere, there’s the international aspect to consider, of course. I have to over-simplify to be brief.
So there’s a layer at the top of very, very rich powerful individuals and organisations. By very rich, I mean they can’t count their money. It increases faster than they can count it. They can’t ever spend it faster than it accumulates. It often dates back centuries, so it’s well dug in. There’s people who don’t even feature on the ‘world’s richest list’, because they are not that stupid to walk around with a target painted on their back.
Then there’s the teeming billions of very poor.
It’s not a matter of assigning blame to either of these groups for NTE. But, if the one’s with the power were not so greedy and so ignorant, we could have avoided this mess, because we had the knowledge.
As soon as women are educated and empowered the birth rate drops dramatically.
Instead of 6 babies they have two. As soon as families have financial security, the birth rate drops dramatically, because the reason couples have lots of kids is because they need to be sure some will survive to care for them when they are too old to work. That’s how it has always been in peasant soceities, with high infant mortality and no social security.
So if the ignorant greedy elite with the power had forced a global policy wherever possible, to promote those aims we could have cut population increase and improved human health and happiness and well being.
Push money right down to the poorest, then it comes right up through all the layers to the top, and then it should be sent back to the roots again. Instead, they suck it out of the system and hoard it.
Lots of independent autonomous peasants are far more healthy, resilient and flexible, than huge corporate monocultures. But that does not suit megalomaniacs who want total control, so they force the peasants off the land and into the favellas and barrios.
Because of psychopaths like Brzezinski, the people with the power decided what mattered was world domination and total military control of everything by means of fear. And the corporations wanted free global trade without any restriction on their looting and pollution, so they could exploit cheap labour and maximise profits. Instead of global justice and well-being they wanted injustice and totalitarian control and domination.
None of the people at the top have had the wisdom to see that their policies lead to their own destruction and the destruction of the biosphere.
One exception was James Goldsmith. He warned everybody this was going to happen.
How did he know ? Well, he WAS a robber baron HIMSELF. He came from the same place that all the cunning scheming robbing bankers that have wrecked everything came from, so he understood exactly how they thought.
He came from the same stable as the Rothschilds. His brother, Edward, foresaw that the ecology was going to be wrecked and foresaw that we would cause our own extinction.
All of this could have been avoided, but nobody listened. Once the climate was destabilised, that WAS the tipping point, as far as I am concerned. Once the Arctic ice cap melted that WAS the irreversible tipping point. People don’t seem to grasp this. Our stable climate has GONE. Forever.
Even if we could stop emissions rising. Even if we cut emissions and begin to lower CO2 levels. It does NOT COME BACK.
http://www.edwardgoldsmith.org/1103/the-way-an-overview-ecologist/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Goldschmidt
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“Good planets are hard to come by.”
…The rate at which climate forcing (change in energy/heat) in the atmosphere/ocean/cryosphere system rose between 1850-2005 (about 0.01 Watt/m2/year) is more than an order of magnitude faster than during the last glacial termination 17,000–10,000 years ago (about 0.00045 Watt/m2/year).
The lesson from the history of the atmosphere/ocean system is that abrupt climate changes at rates such as at present resulted in mass extinction of species. According to Kevin Trenberth, chief scientist of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado:
Some of the human-induced changes are occurring 100 times faster than they occur in nature … And this is one of the things that worries me more than climate change itself. It’s actually the rate of change that’s most worrying… Ecosystems are not prepared for this jolt … And neither are many human endeavors, built around assumptions about how hot it’s going to be, how much it’s going to rain on our croplands, and how high the seas will rise.
The AR5 report says CO2 or CH4 release from thawing permafrost to 2010 are in the range of 33–400 gigatonnes. But not enough focus is drawn to this factor. David Wasdell, Director of the Meridian Institute, made this point earlier, stating:
“The Feedback Crisis in Climate Change highlights the all-too-real possibility of runaway climate change, driven by the naturally occurring positive feedback loops of the biosphere. It raises issues of the most fundamental and urgent nature for the world community and calls in question the effectiveness of current strategic responses to global warming.”
The role of fire as a major feedback to global warming has not received enough focus in the AR5 report. According to Professor of Environmental Change Biology, David Bowman, natural and anthropogenic forest and bushfires release 2 to 4 gigatonnes of carbon per year.
He says, “Currently all sources of fire (landscape biomass) cause CO2 emissions equal to 50% of those stemming from fossil-fuel combustion (2 to 4 PgC year−1 versus 7.2 PgC year−1)”. With rising temperatures, a distinction between “natural” and “anthropogenic” fires is obscured. The AR5’s absence of focus on fire as a major feedback remains inexplicable.
Climate change in the 20th and 21st centuries constitutes an unprecedented event horizon – a shift of state in the terrestrial atmosphere…
IPCC climate trends: Blueprints for tipping points
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Thanks for the We novel, I am a SF buff
Why You Should Not Worry About Climate Change.
Don’t forget, we are just a little over ten years from a planetary wide ecological state shift, which once started is irreversible and unstoppable. This has nothing to do with climate change. When humans impact 50% of the earth’s biosphere, it begins to break down, the tendrils of the web of inter-dependent life dissolve into nothingness. This is what will get us long before temperatures and seas rise. 95% of humanity’s food comes from just 5 crops. So, while these crops feed 7 billion people, they are creating food deserts for very small creatures, killing bees and other microscopic life we can’t see. Like plankton, which is almost half gone, it is the microscopic world which keeps our system alive. Food is how the Syrian war started. When large parts of the earth face their first food shortages, there will be terrorism like you never saw before as the worst mercenaries we’ve armed come looking for rich fat whiteys to kill and plunder, with the vey weapons we sold them. When they reach our cities, our nuclear power plants will become unstable. This is way long before we have to worry about the certain mass extinction we started for all life on earth. This is gonna be the biggest and bestess one yet. We haven’t had world food shortages for a very very long time, probably long before we get automatic machine guns, bullets and no food all together, all at the same time. It’s easy to not be prejudiced in times of plenty. We are not going to live like hobbits on solar-wind farms. We are far too fucking evil. You can trust me on this. The U.S. has already killed millions of innocent civilians during the times of plenty since WW2. Just wait until our spoiled kids experience real and sustained shortages. It is the little things that matter, like plankton and trace amounts of gas atoms. We won’t even see what will cause the deaths of billions of people within the lifetimes of our young. It will look like the young are killing themselves, but it will have been us. B-boomers, gen x-ers and y-ers.
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Great comment! You’re getting my doomer juices flowing again.
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Oh, I agree with you, Shizel, all these things run concurrently though, and whilst that’s all happening, we’re expecting another two China’s worth of new humans to be born onto the planet… just what we needed, eh, along with the death of the oceans and the drying up of the great Asian rivers and genetically engineered bioweapons anybody can make in their own basement and a hundred other horrors… I avoid reading sci fi, my own head is too full of it…
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From Global Research:
Climate Change and its Disastrous Impacts on Earth and Humanity
Reclaiming Our Memories: how can we face a future of climate change if we have forgotten our past?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-change-and-its-disastrous-impacts-on-earth-and-humanity/5342677
Excerpt:
A seminar in Chicago earlier this year also addressed the problem, saying that “most of the relevant research on climate change has focussed on how it will affect the material conditions of life on this planet.” Yet this threat to the earth, caused by human activity, will affect every area of human life; not just the physical. Our emotional, spiritual and intellectual lives will be in turmoil. It is time that those of us who care about what the coming changes might do to the future of humanity started to engage our fellows on things other than the physical disasters, floods and droughts, mass migrations, food shortages and all the conflicts that could arise out of the struggle to survive.
For most of our history human activity has harmed the earth that sustains us. We are so proud of our intellectual achievements, our history of creating civilisations, yet almost all civilisations have depended on some form of energy use – the more advanced the civilisation, the more dependent it becomes on energy. And civilisations have almost always included militarization, weapons and war. But – imagine a future of no future, of no schools or universities, no musical instruments or theatres, no art, no writing, no research, no science. All that will disappear if humanity is overwhelmed by climate change. Then who will be left to mourn the silencing of Beethoven and Brahms?
This isn’t just a problem for academicians. It concerns all of us and our sense of history is a good place to start seeking an answer. The thing about history is that it simply doesn’t exist if there is no one there to witness it, to record it, to remember what happened and, just as important, why. And even with a record, if there is no one there to read it and understand it, no one to whom the knowledge can be passed, no children who can sit and listen to their elders tell the lore of their tribe, then history is dead. Climate change may take away our future and without a future there is no past.
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Reminds me of what I said last year…
“If the pervasive mindset amongst our leaders and society at large is that we can continue growing the economy, using the environment as a sink for our waste, and that our burning of the planet’s fossil fuels has no effect on the thin atmospheric skin covering the earth, all other issues of social injustice become meaningless. All the magnificent art, music, scientific breakthroughs, and intellectual writings of our species will be swept away like dust mites before a broom.”
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Apart from being professional liars, most leaders in industrial societies are scientifically illiterate sociopaths.
Industrial societies are predicated on the conversion of fossil fuels into environmentally damaging waste, and cannot function without converting fossil fuels into environmentally damaging waste. Only a miniscule portion of the populace recognises this.
The difficult aspect for anyone who is aware is accepting that this state of affairs cannot be significantly altered prior to some kind of crash-and-burn phase.
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Swept away? Many will be. Most will very likely be. Nearly all, possibly, will be. But, you said “_all_ the magnificient”. This, won’t be, EVEN in an event of complete and utter extinction of homo sapiens (i.e. humans). Few things will stay, and will stay for BILLIONS of years.
Remnants of many presently-existing sky-scrapers will remain on the surface, visible for dozens of thousands of years. After that, above-surface parts will be destroyed, sooner or later, by erosion – but under-surface parts will indeed stay for billions of years. Not all of them – just some (geological process matter). Much like present-day archeologists study early microscopic life via sediments with some 2+ billions years age, – some day, some other intelligent species might well be digging out remnants of present-day global technological civilization, study them, put much value to them. Much like our present-day archeologists put much value to ancient cities and dinosaur skeletons they dig up.
And, of course, nuclear reactors and nuclear waste sites. These are pretty much eternal signature, eternal mark modern technological civilization have made. Controlled, artificial, intensive fission reaction creates unique mixtures of isotopes, easily recognisable even dozens of billions of years afterwards even with a technology we have today.
But man, again, humans are much tougher and hard to get rid of than even cockroaches. Some will possibly survive through the thermal maximum and biosphere collapse. If so, then lots of magnificient works can be saved. There are, even now, projects devoted to this. There is already digital medium (at least one) in production which allows pretty much eternal data storage, if stored properly. Even if it’ll be many thousands of years of dark ages, still possibility exists much could be stored, saved, and some day, re-learned by our remote descendants. Low-tech forms of storage are also possible for many magnificient works. After all, some items in Egypt pyramids were stored for thousands of years, and then were found quite intact and functional recently.
The (already) devastating, and most likely tremendous in near future loss of genetic diversity is what really bad, though. I don’t see how Earth could keep even 10% of its pre-industrial genetic diversity by 2100. Every species lost, we can’t re-create (except may be very few best studied cases). Once gone, it’s gone for good. And every species is a result of billions of years of natural seleection processes of undescribable complexity. This is much more important than arts, music, science, writings. Because, after all, if we’d lose most of those, then, after all, we could make new ones. Could take a long time if we’d be starting back from cavemen’s level, but nothing in compare to at least dozens millions of years required to get genetic diversity of the planet back to levels comparable with pre-industrial.
In other words, while we humans much love arts and music and good things we created, – it’s not the priority. LIFE is. And in this sense, Svalbard vault and similar projects – are indeed parts of what absolutely needs to be done. Not sufficient, by far, but still, required parts. Better than nothing. Something to get busy about, perhaps?
Cheers.
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Well, at least we know that some life forms will survive and will generate a new explosion of species as has happened in the past. I am finally getting my head around that……we will still have some of our cousins to survive no matter what.
More troubling for me is watching the process, a very sad process of losing 200 species a day, and seeing glorious plants and animals suffering and trying desperately to survive against all odds. Much the same is happening to humans at the fringes of civilization, like Haiti and many other places. Soon it will be happening all around us, everywhere.
I’ve just got to get used to the idea that this beautiful world of living things is going to drastically change and in some timespan will renew itself, and so much will die out, as I myself will also die, leaving my living cousins of some type to carry on and bring about the new explosion of life one day.
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“Don’t go the way that they are currently on NBL, of endless ‘counselling’, because IMHO that’s another disaster. It’s for the people who enjoy self-indulgence and self-pity and the people who exploit them by selling their books.”
Well said. I’ve been feeling this way about the site for awhile. Presently when I go there,if it doesn’t contain scientific facts or at least conjecture
it’s easy to click to another location.
I think a search for Feel Good & Feel Bad sites would be fun. I know I must avoid Reality sites. LOL
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Hi TR,
I spend more time on the soap opera that is NBL than anywhere else, and it’s ever changing. Perhaps I should expand on that point just a little. In UK, there’s free health care on the NHS, so people who need psychiatric or similar counselling can get it. And then there’s another lot of private alternative services, some of which are more or less backed up by official bodies that issue qualifications, some of which are just anybody who sticks a card in a window and offers to provide ‘readings’, whatever.
I’m not saying that people who have been severely traumatised, or who are going through some very difficult or distressing circumstance should not ask for or receive help. I’ve known some people who were pure genius at empathy and seeing into another persons problem and helping them.
What I had in mind is this other thing, where people get hooked on ‘being helped’ and the ‘helper’ gets hooked on taking the money. And I’ve seen a lot of that coming from people who are not really qualified and are selling pure bullshit, some who are, still bullshit, and it is a whole industry.
There are people who want to feel they are ‘doing good’ and they need these other people who ‘feel bad’ to be able to get their pay off, and the two groups are sort of mutually parasitic on each other, and there’s never an end to it, they get locked into a loop. It’s ridiculous. Neither party wants the thing to end, so it never does.
It’s really HARD to get out of a bad fix, and you have to do it yourself. I know this because I’ve been though most of ’em. You know, broken marriages, alcoholism, drug dependence, severe depression, serious physical injury, serious physical illness, bankruptcy, etc, etc. I’ve done the whole fucking lot and survived, and sometimes I’ve been to priests and counsellors and the Samaritans and whatnot, and come away feeling even WORSE than before 🙂
What worked, for me, was sitting down with myself and saying to myself that I had to sort myself out, and then doing it, and then because it was ME that did it, I felt sort of good about myself, a bit of self-esteem I could build on, put on a clean shirt, start a new day, take care not to dwell on bad stuff, nurse my poor old body and soul back into shape, and do it on my own.
I’ve been in more than six car wrecks that if you looked at what was left you’d say nobody would ever have got out of that alive. And here I am. I’ve been in more physical fights than I can remember, and sometimes I was badly hurt, my ribs have been broken a lot, my nose has been broken a lot. I’ve healed everything with qi gong.
I used to think that getting over such and such was the toughest thing I ever did. I couldn’t imagine that life could get any tougher. But then, I got older, and realised that was just the foothills, things can get far, far worse, and they did. But I got far, far tougher too. But I gave up trying. Sort of taoist effortlessness. I don’t struggle at all. It’s easy when you know how. Hard to explain.
But the idea of going to someone and paying them cash, for advice on how to be. I think that’s a tricky area. How do you put a price on compassion and wisdom ?
Can you imagine Jesus or Buddha charging a consultation fee ?
This thing we are facing, NTE, the collapse, I look at the birds, my dog, the incredible wild animals in the world, the fantastic life in the oceans, the idea that those things go because of human stupidity is so…. beyond any words…
Somehow we have to cope with this. I don’t like to see even the beginnings of people exploiting this and making it something containable, a commodity, an opportunity…
But it will happen, whether it disgusts me or not. Capitalism has trained everyone to exploit everyone else and everything else and very few people have any honour or integrity. I don’t want to be part of it, that’s all.
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That was interesting.
I have acquire considerable consolation from studying history and comparing my circumstances with the circumstances of those who lived and died before me.
When old age pensions were first conceived the idea od paying someone over the age of 65 was not particularly daunting because the average life expectancy for a man was around 48. Mining accidents fishing accidents, construction accidents, industrial illnesses………
During two periods in recent history hundreds of lads aged around 18 got into ‘invincible’ battleships, and a few days later were obliterated when enemy shells pierced the steel and set off the munitions.
Artillery bombardments, gas attacks, quagmires so awful men literally drowned in mud, frostbite, starvation…. The Gallipoli disaster was particularly gruesome because fighting men didn’t even have enough water; let alone anything else. .
We’ve had it so good for so long most of us have no concept of hardship.
According to a recent study the men who died with Custer at his famous ‘last stand’ (that wasn’t because the remnants were running for their lives) were a sickly bunch, many suffering from rotten teeth and arthritis despite being under 25 years old.
I see there is another absurd projection for world population: 9 or 10 billion by the middle of this century, and 11 billion by the end.
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From Richard Heinberg, speaking about three crises leading to collapse: the financial mess, peak oil, and global warming:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/10/02-1
Excerpt:
In the story of the Dutch boy, adults in the village eventually find the brave child and make necessary repairs to the dike. But for the three leaky systems discussed above, necessary repairs aren’t being made. Most governments aren’t rapidly developing renewable energy and public transport infrastructure; instead, they’re spending their money on building more roads. The shadow banking system is not being downsized and regulated; it’s being propped up and inflated. Fossil fuel use is not being discouraged with meaningful carbon taxes (except in a very few countries); instead, oil and gas industries are subsidized.
The folks in charge will probably continue to buy as much time as they can, for as long as they can, even if doing so makes the situation worse in the long run. Nature is less predictable: humans cannot control the duration of the global warming “pause.”
The phrase “living on borrowed time” inevitably comes to mind, with its implication of impending doom. Yet we simply don’t know how serious the impacts of these delayed crises will be within a humanly meaningful timeframe—say, the next ten or twenty years. Doom is possible, but it may be that nature, central banks, and crafty drillers conspire to maintain the appearance of normalcy in the eyes of at least a substantial portion of the population even as the waters rise around our ankles. No collapse here, folks; just keep shopping.
“How about using whatever interval we have—whether it turns out to be weeks or decades—to build community resilience?”
It’s hard to know what attitude to adopt with regard to these things. Given that delays will likely make matters worse when the dam does break, and that repairs aren’t being undertaken, should we therefore say, “Bring on the crisis, let’s get it over with?” If that is our stance, then what might be done to accelerate events? Our oil-supply situation could be hastened slightly toward crisis by a decision against the Keystone XL pipeline, which would discourage further expansion of tar sands mining (there’s no “bring-on-the-crisis” upside to a decision in favor of the pipeline—that would worsen the climate dilemma without doing anything to end the global warming “pause”). Maybe causing a US government default would usher in the next chapter of global financial Armageddon: that’s entirely within the capabilities of at least a few people, and they seem to be doing a very good job of marching us toward the brink. Perhaps we’ll all be over the edge in just a few weeks.
Or shall we simply enjoy our remaining days of “normal” life? Spend time at the beach. Learn to play a musical instrument. See friends and family. Those are perfectly understandable and legitimate ways of whiling away borrowed time.
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It’s like a never-ending treadmill of doom. And what good has it done other than to incessantly document the collapse while cultivating a cottage industry of profiteering Cassandras.
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So you’ve picked up ulvfugl’s contempt for those who position themselves to profit amid collapse. I’m not so sure that our blogging, commentary, and chronicling is so different except that we’re not selling anything (books, therapy, panaceas, etc.). If there is purity to be found, it must be hiding under a rock somewhere. In the meantime, I’m determined to keep my eyes open best I can. I got nothing to sell.
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Just as environmentalism has been usurped by corporate interests (i.e. greenwashing consumerism), a “doomer industry” has developed around the collapse of industrial civilization with the selling of underground survival bunkers, preserving and stockpiling food, building an arsenal of firearms for battling the starving hordes, books on how to profit from peak oil and economic collapse (gold and silver), etc., but I’m just scratching the surface. Entire industries spring up to peddle solutions to problems. Dealing with root causes would be counterproductive to generating profits. There are paid consultants who will advise us on where to store our ‘wealth’, where to live to survive the collapse, how to make your ‘doomstead’ safe and secure, how to deal with the psychological stress of such weighty issues, etc.
Capitalism turns everything into a money-making scheme, even the tragedy of human extinction.
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Sometimes I am glad I am 64. Old enough that I have lived long enough to feel I have gotten what I really want from life, and have gotten a feel for my place in the world and in life as we know it. But I am young enough to watch all of this nonsense going on as a magnificent, if not ridiculous, example of incredible madness.
When I want to feel good about my own species I go back to who we were before we decided we didn’t need to follow the rules of nature anymore. I go back to sometime in our early, mysterious, hunter-gatherer past, and feel better about who I am. I am ashamed who we have become.
And that is why I feel comfort studying in an amateur way the early days of our species. http://Www.hunter-gatherers.org
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All we can do is catalogue environmental collapse while we wait for economic collapse and social collapse to bring the system to a standstill.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/03/ocean-acidification-carbon-dioxide-emissions-levels
Alex Rogers, professor of biology at Oxford University, said: “The health of the ocean is spiralling downwards far more rapidly than we had thought. We are seeing greater change, happening faster, and the effects are more imminent than previously anticipated. The situation should be of the gravest concern to everyone since everyone will be affected by changes in the ability of the ocean to support life on Earth.”
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I am reading Stung! By Lisa-Ann Gershwin, thanks to this website which featured the book. Every page is more backing for what Alex Rogers says above. The interconnections between all the species is mind boggling, and you begin to realize how easily the extinction or disruption of one species drives many others in the same direction. Good if you are a jellyfish.
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I’d rather say, simply, “the situation is of the gravest concern”. “Everyone” won’t be concerned; can’t be; not in largest cultures of the world, except may be with huge efforts via educational systems and after 2+ new generations of citizens would come in – but it’d be WAY too late, most likely after GIC collapse anyways.
Other than this cosmetic and disputable detail, good professor is completely right. It is gravest concern. Shame mankind fails and will keep failing to address it. Grave consequences will certainly follow.
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